Pavlik is very lucky he didn't face Abraham.

Didn't see it. I have thought Abe would beat him for a while now. Me too, I just hope Abraham can boost that punch output a bit. He places his shots very well and he punches at the right time, but he is still so wide with his punches. Other than that, I like the guy a lot. He seems like a genuine person and fighter.

The thing is, AA fights the same way in every fight. He blocks non-stop for 4 or 5 rds and then begins to open up and the same thing happens every time- the other guy buckles under his power and can't land enough to hurt him big (except Miranda 1). He has some magic to his weird style and he hits harder than almost anyone I've ever seen at his weight. He does hit very hard with both hands. The thing is though he does not punch when being punched. Guys like Williams and Pavlik would not only outwork him, but Pavlik even has the ability to sting guys by punching them on their gloves due to having more heavy hands than knockout hands. Good management has gotten Abraham where he is, and even then I watched guys like Lagun Simon, not only be competitive with him, but rock him up good.

he does not have good footwork. He is either in attack or retreat mode. His footwork is not there to give him angles, but to either attack or keep him out of harms way. His entire reputation is being built on guys who have so far already been dented. Pavlik is the guy who dented them. Pavlik is looked upon as a bum in here and Abraham is being lubed up as some early ATG candidate. It's simply foolish. Until Abraham shows me more, I just see him as a very tough fighter who likes to take breaks. I also say Dirrell will beat him also. The thing is, AA fights the same way in every fight. He blocks non-stop for 4 or 5 rds and then begins to open up and the same thing happens every time- the other guy buckles under his power and can't land enough to hurt him big (except Miranda 1). He has some magic to his weird style and he hits harder than almost anyone I've ever seen at his weight.

Already made this thread yesterday you lazy fool. :mad: Didn't see it. I still think Abraham would win, but it would be a tough fight. I have thought Abe would beat him for a while now.

He would have got sonned. based on the Taylor fight? It took Abraham 12 rounds to knock him out

AA woulda fukked him up. I really wanted to see that fight. After he tuned up wit Rubio and got a lil confidence back, it was time for it to happen. Pavlik's MW title reign is a joke. I know Mang, tell me about it. He has done jack since he won the belt- 1 defense against Taylor, a loss to BHOP at 168, and a tune up against Rubio, then bar brawls and staff infections. I loved watching him fight and his rise to stardom but he has wasted his spotlight if you ask me.

I still think Abraham would win, but it would be a tough fight.

I disagree. Abes guard is natural unlike that of Miranda. Also, Abraha has good footwork when he wants to use it. he does not have good footwork. He is either in attack or retreat mode. His footwork is not there to give him angles, but to either attack or keep him out of harms way. His entire reputation is being built on guys who have so far already been dented. Pavlik is the guy who dented them. Pavlik is looked upon as a bum in here and Abraham is being lubed up as some early ATG candidate. It's simply foolish. Until Abraham shows me more, I just see him as a very tough fighter who likes to take breaks. I also say Dirrell will beat him also.

If you watch Pavlik fight, he is really good at batting the gloves away of his opponent with his left hand while delivering a right hand behind it. He did it to Miranda and Zertuche when they both became wary of his attack and put up a high guard. Pavlik is very good at what old timers call "Threading the needle" Pavlik also is one guy out there who really has beat down tough guys with granite chins. He simply beats guys up. Finesse can beat Pavlik, but he can be a total nightmare to the tough guys who don;t have incredible footwork. he simply beats them down. I personally think Pavlik would hand Abraham his ass. Abraham still has much to prove and beating guys Pavlik already Damaged proves nothing to me. I disagree. Abes guard is natural unlike that of Miranda. Also, Abraha has good footwork when he wants to use it.

If you watch Pavlik fight, he is really good at batting the gloves away of his opponent with his left hand while delivering a right hand behind it. He did it to Miranda and Zertuche when they both became wary of his attack and put up a high guard. Pavlik is very good at what old timers call "Threading the needle" Pavlik also is one guy out there who really has beat down tough guys with granite chins. He simply beats guys up. Finesse can beat Pavlik, but he can be a total nightmare to the tough guys who don;t have incredible footwork. he simply beats them down. I personally think Pavlik would hand Abraham his ass. Abraham still has much to prove and beating guys Pavlik already Damaged proves nothing to me.

Honestly, look at these KOs, not that they are KOs, but look at how he contortstheir bodies and leaves the totally lip fro single shots. Whats even worse is that it doesn't look like he puts uch behind his shots. Damn those lefts on Gevor and Ayala were brutal. Both guys fell down in a heap and Gevor he went bobblehead style. Yeah I agree AA beats Pavlik. AA would give those first rounds away just by getting outworked, but once AA has a feel for him I think he lands quite a bit. AA is pretty accurate and I don't see Pavlik really landing much clean beause he really can't counter punch well. I believe in King Arthur because of his defense. He either blocks or partially blocks most of the punches to his head and then going to the body most guys either low blow him or come close.

He would have got sonned. abraham starts too slow... maybe pavlik's punches splits AA's guard. we won't know till they fight.

Disagree. I always said I would pick Pavlik to beat AA and I still would. He would outwork AA to a decision IMO. The thing is Abe is the better boxer, and you would think Pavlik would respect his power. I do not see stalking Abraham as the way of beating him.

Disagree. I always said I would pick Pavlik to beat AA and I still would. He would outwork AA to a decision IMO.

Arthur Abraham is a strong puncher. But he is just to open every time he throws a punch. If his opponents can capitalize with that then he will be in big trouble. luckily pavlik can't counterpunch one bit so he wouldn't be able to hit him

If Pavlik ruined Taylor like you claim he did, then why was the second fight so close? Yeah, the fight was close but Taylor fought a lot more cautious and more in spurts which caused some trouble for Pavlik. I wouldn't say Taylor was ruined, but the those back to back losses to the same guy definitely took something away from him mentally if not physically. His win over the even more shot (and overrated) Lacy didn't prove much. And if he wasn't ruined, that Froch knockout took even more out of him.

Yeah Abraham is a beast, but why so much hate on Pavlik? I don't buy into the hype just yet and I think Pavlik would beat Abraham. Abraham's 2 biggest wins are against Pavlik left overs Taylor and Miranda (I know Abraham beat Miranda first, but the fight was competitive while Pavlik totally destroyed Miranda). It's also possible that Taylor was shot in that last fight and just lost 3 of his last 4 (2 by ko). Even though Hopkins totally outclassed Pavlik, no one on Abraham's record is half as good as B-Hop. Pavlik is a straight shooter, while Abraham throws really wide looping punches leaving himself open. Until I see how Abraham does in the tournament, I say Pavlik wins. If Pavlik ruined Taylor like you claim he did, then why was the second fight so close?

Yeah Abraham is a beast, but why so much hate on Pavlik? I don't buy into the hype just yet and I think Pavlik would beat Abraham. Abraham's 2 biggest wins are against Pavlik left overs Taylor and Miranda (I know Abraham beat Miranda first, but the fight was competitive while Pavlik totally destroyed Miranda). It's also possible that Taylor was shot in that last fight and just lost 3 of his last 4 (2 by ko). Even though Hopkins totally outclassed Pavlik, no one on Abraham's record is half as good as B-Hop. Pavlik is a straight shooter, while Abraham throws really wide looping punches leaving himself open. Until I see how Abraham does in the tournament, I say Pavlik wins.

AAs a beast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1tZ8PxyE4&feature=related

bullshit.....pavliks work rate alone would win the fight....just remember pavlik ended the careers of the 2 best names on abrahams resume... abraham is a fukkin beast