Better victory: Pac over DLH or PBF over JMM?

Because Pac has gone life and death with JMM twice and it was bad enough to whitewash JMM the way Floyd did and on top a Mill PPV too stop him as well , you think that official people associated to Pac dont notice this stuff , you guys can spin all the Floyd hate you like , Roach and Arum know how good he is and a KO would make Floyds negotiations that much tougher , but then again I dont think Roach feels Floyd went all out for a KO he seen how much was in reserve . First, learn how to use periods, instead of having one. A KO would not make negotiations tougher for floyd, that makes absoloutely no sense at all. Who is gonna believe that besides floyd fans looking for excuses? this has to be a joke. So when Manny KO'd Hatton in 2 rounds, it some how harmed future negotiations in fights? This is boxing. The fight stays in the ring. Dont try to make up your own excuses.

Size is relative to comparing , how can you compare 2 pics of Floyd saying he looks bigger against JMM when JMM is smaller than Hatton yet the size difference looks in both pics compared to the known opponent looks the same , makes no sense what your trying to spin , your saying from weigh-in to fight Floyd put on 12-14 pounds , bullshit , he has never put on that sort of weight since moving to 140 and above the most he put on was 5 pounds , recorded history just does not go along with what your trying to spin . I will make the last sentence easier for you , are you saying Floyd went all out to stop JMM , looked like he carried him to me and never got out of first gear . I just told you I have the hatton fight saved. I watched a minute of it, and clearly floyd is bigger than he was against JMM. everyone noticed it, except for some reason floyd fans. You dont know the recorded history either, because he stopped weighing in against ODLH. Other than the lie that he tells you. If floyd is always at 150, then why couldnt he cut to 144? He coudlnt lose 6lbs in 5 months? who says he's always been at 150. He didnt weigh in at ODLH, and I cant find anything of him weighing in at Hatton. And speaking of spin, you still never explained why Floyd KO'ing JMM would jeopardize a fight with Manny. Other people are wondering the same

Both overrated. No vote

If you look at the pics vs Hatton Floyd looks bigger and weighed 151 , his entire fight history does not have Floyd gaining much after weigh-in , too suggest he was 7lbs bigger than in the Hatton fight is pure speculation based on nothing and it also says Floyd gained a great deal of weight from the weigh-in something he has never done before , my guess is he weighed about 151-153 , but its something we will never know . Floyd not being a KO puncher does not mean he couldnt stop a weight drained Oscar , he has stopped 25 opponents even though he has bad hands ,,,,, in my opinion he never tried to stop JMM and I think it was for 2 reasons to get the rounds in because he was coasting and in no danger and he needed rounds and if he KOed JMM it would jeopardize the Pac fight . Explain how it would have jeopardized a Pacquiao fight if Mayweather had KO'd Marquez.

DLH was the shameless cherrypicker in the Pac-DLH fight. PBF was the shameless cherrypicker in the PBF-JMM fight. Clearly Pac's victory was more impressive.

If you look at the pics vs Hatton Floyd looks bigger and weighed 151 , his entire fight history does not have Floyd gaining much after weigh-in , too suggest he was 7lbs bigger than in the Hatton fight is pure speculation based on nothing and it also says Floyd gained a great deal of weight from the weigh-in something he has never done before , my guess is he weighed about 151-153 , but its something we will never know . Floyd not being a KO puncher does not mean he couldnt stop a weight drained Oscar , he has stopped 25 opponents even though he has bad hands ,,,,, in my opinion he never tried to stop JMM and I think it was for 2 reasons to get the rounds in because he was coasting and in no danger and he needed rounds and if he KOed JMM it would jeopardize the Pac fight . http://www.lasvegaslogue.com/files/2007/12/floyd-hatton.jpg http://bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0668/7885/50672_feature.jpg http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d59/RodBarker007/IMG_53.jpg even with those bad angles, floyd still looks bigger than he did vs JMM. I have the clip saved, floyd looks skinnier vs hatton than he did vs JMM. If he weighed 153 vs hatton, then he was at least 160 vs JMM. the last sentence, I have no idea what that means, and Im not sure if it makes any sense. floyd didnt KO JMM because he didnt want to, its jsut he couldnt. A fight with pac, I dont know how that fits in at all. I think Ive heard every excuse now, this one is a new, and odd one.

Floyd didnt outweigh him by 10 pounds and Oscar would have got beaten badly by Floyd weighing 147 instead of 160 , and its harder to stop a strong smaller guy than a weakened big guy are you aware of that , and Floyd is not a KO puncher so add it all up and this poll is just another stupid hate poll anyway , I love Manny as a fighter but his win over Oscar is a non event because Oscar was a punching bag because he was a weight drained waif . that was the longest sentence Ive ever seen. They didnt weigh in by JMM/floyd, but by the looks of it, JMM was outweighed by 10lbs. Compare the weigh in pics of floyd at 146, youll notice he gained at least 10lbs. if youre thinking JMM and floyd were the same weight or only had a 5lb difference then Ill sell you rocks from my backyard for $100 a piece. Admitting floyd is not a ko puncher is agreeing that floyd and odlh wouldve went the distance at 147, similar to jmm and floyd going all 12.

Mayweather-Marquez... Floyd-JMM= Marquez jumps up almost 2 weightclasses...Floyd almost a Jr. Middleweight DLH-Pac= DLH is washed up, moves down a weightclass and is weight drained...Pac moves up 2 weightclasses... If Marquez was shot I'd give it to Pac-DLH...

Wow is this really a debate? Roach observed Oscar getting an IV on the morning of the fight. The version of Oscar that Floyd fought I dont think Pac would beat, Oscar was well in excess of 160 that night. If Floyd fought the Oscar Pac fought I think it would be Gatti-ish. fail and a liar. Roach never saw them put IVs in oscar, he wasnt training him and they wouldnt be showing his opponents trainer such a thing. Roach said he thought he saw IV marks in oscar when they were in the ring. Floyd wouldve taken 10 steps back for every jab oscar wouldve thrown at him at 147, and just try to potshot all night. Floyd outweighed JMM by 10+lbs and couldnt take him out. ODLH vs floyd at 147 wouldve went to a decision with oscar not having a scratch on him.

He only skipped one division NOT 2 :lol1: Duckman skipped 140 only. Pacman at 130 fight night weighs the nearly same 147 Oscar a lot of boxers gains more than 10 lbs from dehydration

And Pacman beat Oscar at WW as well. A division Oscar did not fight in 7 years :rofl: ...and Pac comin from lightweight, jumping 2 divisions :rofl:

Understatement of the year mate , any good fighter would have flogged ODH in the condition he was in , what did Roach say after hearing he gained 2 pounds , ODH is good for 2 rounds , but its in front of your face so I guess punching a bag empresses some more than an exhibition of skills , Floyd gave Oscar 16 pounds , dont you think that would be a different Oscar , thats the Oscar I would have liked Manny to fight be a lot closer I feel . Any top 20 WW. would of destroyd that version of JMM that Floyd fought.

Manny ! For starters, the fact remains it was ODLH who cherry picked Pac. Golden Boy chose the weight and the man. So there is no sense in arguing that ODLH was washed up. On the other hand, JMM challenged PBF in a weight where he has never fought before. Bad mistake. But what loses the credibility of a PBF victory is that Floyd did not make the weight and couldn't dispatch the smaller JMM. Arguments saying that Pac had a hard time against JMM whereas PBF just coasted over the Mexican is useless. Pac and JMM fought at the featherweight and super featherweight, divisions where JMM is pretty much comfortable. :****you:

I was ashamed that Floyd couldn't KO old, fat, tiny Marquez. He posed literally no threat to Floyd whatsoever. He even said in 24/7 show he needed to get Marquez out of there to make a statement. PBF gets no credit at all for beating Marquez. Pac on the other hand deserves a lot for what he did to Oscar, even though he was drained.

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Agreed. Floyd beat JMM easily AT WELTERWEIGHT:rofl: FIXED :fing02:

JMM is the exact same fighter, he was put in the ring with Mayweather. A guy faster than Pacman. Had that been the Pacman that fought Oscar, JMM would have won again but been robbed Bro you can not honestly believe that. JMM was pushing it at 135. JMM at 135 was not the same fighter he was at 130 or 126. Let alone at 147. An old Casamayor and Diaz was pushing JMM to the limit. JMM won those 2 fights by KO. Just cuz he is that great. But, he didn't belong in that weightclass. Let alone at 147. I could name 20 WW that would of beat that version of JMM that fought Floyd. Pac is able to carry his weight above 135 way better than JMM could. At 140 Pac beats JMM clearly. At WW, Pac KO's JMM. And, I am huge JMM. But, that is fact that he is not a top 20 WW. And, probably would barely be able to crack top 10 at 140. And, you know that bro. Just be real homie. I know you a Floyd fan. But, don't let that cloud your judgement bro.

both were pure dominating performaces. i enjoyed dlh calling it quits sitting on a stool.

JMM is the exact same fighter, he was put in the ring with Mayweather. A guy faster than Pacman. Had that been the Pacman that fought Oscar, JMM would have won again but been robbed this is the common knowledge of Floyd fanboys JMM's reflexes peaks at 135 & slipping past his prime (at age 36) Pac can take his speed & power up to 147 & still at his prime go figure

Pac embarrassing DLH from the get go till he quit is wayyyy better than PBF embarrassing JMM for 12 rounds.