The GOAT ladies and gentlemen.

Is it me, or does he leave himself EXTREMELY open when he throws his shots? Only when he went for the kill.

Is it me, or does he leave himself EXTREMELY open when he throws his shots?

Re: The opening where he bows to everyone. Who does that shit? I'll tell you who - the classiest, most skilled, toughest, most courageous fighter who ever laced em up - Sugar Ray Robinson. No one could carry your jockstrap, sir. The GOAT. Period.

Exactly. LaMotta has one of the best middleweights resumes of all time and he ducked no one. LaMotta completely overwhelmed Cerdan in my opinion, injury or not, and he was past his best when he won the title if you ask me. Robinson said LaMotta had slowed down noticeably in their sixth bout but he was still as strong as ever. LaMotta also surprised Robinson with effective use of the jab which Ray did not expect, but eventually LaMotta ran out of stamina due to having drained himself to make the 160 lb weight limit. I know I can't believe what I am reading in this thread. Lamotta is not the greatest out there but he was great. Very underrated nowadays and beat a lot of top fighters in that time. Lamotta only man to beat Robinson in his 20's and his first 130 fights. I think that just shows how good Lamotta was.

Robinson is the greatest fighter of all time and it really is never debated because it isn't really close. Is not a debate really the only guy who comes close is Henry Armstron Boxing is a sport and its impossible to perfect but Robinson was the closest to doing that. I couldn't agree with you more

To suggest that the Italian MOB, was favoring a black CUBAN over an ITALIAN AMERICAN is just plain stupid. I'm sorry but just NO. Also, as one of the best pressure fighters ever, he sure had a hell of a time losing a split decision to a hopelessly past prime Gavilan, who would go on to lose 16 of his next 30 fights. Gavilan was not "hopelessly" past his prime at 27 years of age. He had one of his best performances against Johnny Bratton after fighting Basilio and a valiant effort against the middleweight champion Bobo Olson. He then went onto get robbed against the mob-backed Johnny Saxton which broke him. Basilio on the other hand was still inexperienced at this point of his career and was having his first big step up. Most of the people I know scored the fight for Basilio. Basilio may have been Italian-American but he was not about to co-operate with the mob.

I think he would've made quick work of Margarito and Cotto, both. Mosley would be outboxed most likely, and probably dropped in the process. Mayweather would definitely give him a real tough fight, and with his intelligence I'd pick him to edge Ray out on the cards. Williams could likely pose problems but the way he gives away his height, and leaves his chin so awkwardly hanging in the wind ; I wouldn't be surprised to see Ray catch him good and leave him crumpled on the canvas. If Quintana could land openly and freely on Paul as often as he did, I think Robinson could, as well. The rest of them like Cintron, Angulo, Berto, and the like wouldn't even deserve to share a ring with him. At 135 or at 147. SRR would destroy Floyd. Is not even a debate. just too big, too active, too great. SRR would dominate Leonard.

Obviously he would smash todays class of WW's Paul Williams might give him trouble for obvious reasons. Floyd has a good chance of out thinking him if he gets the pace slowed. P-Will would not give SRR trouble. P-Will gets hit too much. He leaves himself open. I mean people don't realize but, SRR had great size for the WW division. He was 5'11 closer to 6ft. If Margarito could win 5rds against him and Quintana be able to outbox. There is no way in hell P-Will gives SRR any kind of trouble. Floyd pot shotting ways at WW would not be able to keep a beast like SRR off of him. SRR as a WW against another WW was undefeated. As WW SRR was damn near unbeatable bro. The only man who came close is another ATG in Kid Gavilan. And, people forget that SRR started as a LW. And, even as a LW IMO SRR beats Floyd. If Castillo could give Floyd hell. I shatter to think what SRR would do at 135.

the best fighter that has ever lived and always will be the grestest nuff said

Basilio and LaMotta were not wanted in the title picture, in fact LaMotta was forced to take a dive in order to get a title shot. Basilio never did, and as a result he had to overcome numerous obstacles to finally get a deserved chance at the title. Kid Gavilan was a real action fighter, and was favoured by the powers that were at the time (the mob). Watch the fight against Basilio and see who really won. Fighters like Fullmer, Basilio and LaMotta get underrated all the time, most likely because of their styles. Basilio was one of the most effective pressure fighters of all time. LaMotta's sheer work rate was too much for better boxers to handle. All of them took on the best slick, talented fighters at the time. Jake LaMottaUploaded by TheGreatA. - More professional, college and classic sports videos. To suggest that the Italian MOB, was favoring a black CUBAN over an ITALIAN AMERICAN is just plain stupid. I'm sorry but just NO. Also, as one of the best pressure fighters ever, he sure had a hell of a time losing a split decision to a hopelessly past prime Gavilan, who would go on to lose 16 of his next 30 fights.

Why basing his lose on LaMotta? He beat him quickly in their rematch Pwill style. SRR did not beat Lamotta quickly in the rematch. The first 5 fights went the distance. In the 6th fight they stopped the fight in the 13th rd. It was the ST. Valenines Day Massacre.

Wow I think you really underrating Lamotta. True Cerdan quit after due to an arm injury. But, that injury happened from knockdown that Lamotta scored on Cerdan. Cerdan landed on his shoulder. But, Lamotta also holds wins against the likes of Fritzie Zivic, Tommy Bell, Tony Janiro, and Bob Murphy. Lamotta skills is very underrated, he had very deceptive boxing skills, And, he was good at rolling punches. But, the thing wit him is that he let his pride get to him at times. And, would just charge in there. He was by no means a technician. But, he was sneaky. I say argubly he could be in the top 5 greatest MW of all time. Exactly. LaMotta has one of the best middleweights resumes of all time and he ducked no one. LaMotta completely overwhelmed Cerdan in my opinion, injury or not, and he was past his best when he won the title if you ask me. Robinson said LaMotta had slowed down noticeably in their sixth bout but he was still as strong as ever. LaMotta also surprised Robinson with effective use of the jab which Ray did not expect, but eventually LaMotta ran out of stamina due to having drained himself to make the 160 lb weight limit.

Why take my opinion? The footage speaks for itself. That is not how the greatest of all time looks against a Mediocre at best Middleweight who punches like a lightweight. Remember, Jake LaMotta made a grand total of 1 title defense, and he picked up the strap because Marcel Cerdan quit on his stool with an arm injury, Vitali style... Not a world beater in the least... SRR was a great fighter for his time, but he is WAY over blown, especially considering some of the real technicians of the time such as Pep and Walcott, and Moore Wow I think you really underrating Lamotta. True Cerdan quit after due to an arm injury. But, that injury happened from knockdown that Lamotta scored on Cerdan. Cerdan landed on his shoulder. But, Lamotta also holds wins against the likes of Fritzie Zivic, Tommy Bell, Tony Janiro, and Bob Murphy. Lamotta skills is very underrated, he had very deceptive boxing skills, And, he was good at rolling punches. But, the thing wit him is that he let his pride get to him at times. And, would just charge in there. He was by no means a technician. But, he was sneaky. I say argubly he could be in the top 5 greatest MW of all time.

Ray Robinson. The best. What else is there to say

Ray Robinson.. the original Sugar Ray.

Whats important to note is that he fought in the day of TV fighters. You were not given title shots because you were good, you were given title shots because you were exciting and fun to watch, and would get ratings on tv. Thats why we had guys like Fulmer and Basillio and LaMotta, and Graziano. All Arturo Gatti style action fighters with little real skill to speak of. Just tough sons of bitchs. There were plenty of slick talented fights that could have taken those guys to school, but they never got their shot. Fights like Kid Gavilan were the real fights, and Id love to see those. Basilio and LaMotta were not wanted in the title picture, in fact LaMotta was forced to take a dive in order to get a title shot. Basilio never did, and as a result he had to overcome numerous obstacles to finally get a deserved chance at the title. Kid Gavilan was a real action fighter, and was favoured by the powers that were at the time (the mob). Watch the fight against Basilio and see who really won. Fighters like Fullmer, Basilio and LaMotta get underrated all the time, most likely because of their styles. Basilio was one of the most effective pressure fighters of all time. LaMotta's sheer work rate was too much for better boxers to handle. All of them took on the best slick, talented fighters at the time. Jake LaMottaUploaded by TheGreatA. - More professional, college and classic sports videos.

I'm still amazed at how over rated he is by people like you who should honestly know better. SRR is a Clone of SSM, sub par defense, incredible speed, very good power, and strung combinations together well. That doesn't make him the GOAT, not even close. Stylistically he is a very beatable fighter. People give him all sorts of credit for fights that we don't have on film with all kinds of crap like "we don't have footage of him at his best!" No, we do... He was 28 years old in the fight we have with Jake LaMotta, right in them meat of his physical prime, and he was still way to hittable, and looked very beatable. Did you know that SRR weight under the WW limit and Lamotta weight over the MW limit for this loss. And, also did you know that after this fight SRR did not lose another fight in his next 90 fights. Matter of fact Lamotta was the only figter who beat SRR in his 20's and in his first 130 fights. I am not sure how you could say he is overrated.

I just wanna see some of his "glory years" fights.. That's the crazy thing: we haven't even seen Sugar Ray at his absolute peak.

I'd agree that Mosley resembles SRR's style more than anyone else even the second great Sugar. Especially the toughness, SRR was the best because he was unbelievably tough (as were most of the fighters back then). As for his average defense, I agree Shawn, but fighting was also more offensive in that time period. I think some of his oppostion is overrated. I've never thought very highly of Lamotta, Graziano, and Basillio. Tough, entertaining fighters, yes, Hall of fame level fighters, I don't know. I do wish I could see the Kid Gavillion (sp I know) fight. He's a fighter I have a lot of respect for and SRR beat him while he was in his supposed prime. Whats important to note is that he fought in the day of TV fighters. You were not given title shots because you were good, you were given title shots because you were exciting and fun to watch, and would get ratings on tv. Thats why we had guys like Fulmer and Basillio and LaMotta, and Graziano. All Arturo Gatti style action fighters with little real skill to speak of. Just tough sons of bitchs. There were plenty of slick talented fights that could have taken those guys to school, but they never got their shot. Fights like Kid Gavilan were the real fights, and Id love to see those.

Did he ever lose? Because I dont believe Joe Calzaghe ever did. So this thread is false advertising since JOe is the best tehre ever was. Get out of my thread.