JMM sold his soul to the Devil.

Excuses, excuses. Are these Floyd criticizers for real in this thread. Did you happen to watch the fight. Marquez couldn't hit Mayweather. He connected with one here and there. Forget about combinations. Did you even stop to notice the speed disadvantage. I will say this. I agree Mayweather should have weighed in fight night. I don't know why he felt he needed the weight to win. He proved his skills were on another level. It was no way on earth Marquez could've matched Floyd's speed and defense at any damn weight. I am by no means a Floyd nuthugger because I analyze both sides but a landslide is a landslide. The fact that you can believe weight determined the fight is beyond me. Marquez wouldn't have won at any weight period.

Yup, that was bad decision from Team Marquez overall. The guy took a gamble and failed. I don't know why he wasn't able to wait for Pac if his ultimate intentions was to finished some unfinished business with him. Now his chances seem to fade into limbo unless Pac loses to Cotto. Wish him well though fighting at 140. :boxing: Team Marquez knew they would lose.....they only did it for the money

The fight was contracted at 147 with a penalty for weighing over 144. Also, unofficial weights on fight night aren't important, and don't really show much except in the case of DLH, which showed that he was extremely dehydrated from trying to make that cut and didn't recover all the way from dropping to a weight he hadn't fought at in 10 years.

yeah..i think this fight was all wrong for JMM... He's not the type that goes into a fight expecting to lose... so... He expected to win, or at least have a shot. His corner, team, and him, were all very unrealistic going into this. Unless he was just making a grab for the cash. Possible, I guess, but not how I view JMM. But the man does have a family to support.

Floyd fans are idiots. If size is not the difference, why not make the 144 limit to end that issue? Why not scale on the weigh in on fight night? look, Im a Floyd fan but Im not a homer. I dont think Floyd ever had any intenion on making 144 and that wasnt right by him. He played a power move and got away with it but my point is that JMM wasnt going to beat him anyways. I mean, I would give people something on this argument if JMM won 5 rounds. I would give you something if he won 3. I may even give you something if he won 1 round but he didnt. He got totally shut out. I may give you something if JMM could hit him at all in 12 rounds but he didnt. Its not like this fight was close or even a fight. It was a total mismatch in every way and that was without Floyd bullying him. Its not like Floyd just came straight to him, held him on the ropes all night, and just physicaly imposed his will. No, it was a straight boxing match between 2 pure guys and Floyd shut him out easily. You can debate if JMM looked the same, or if Floyd cheated with the 2 pounds, or whatever. All that may make the fight somewhat closer at a smaller weight but Floyd still wins comfortably at the least and I think he still kills him if not even moreso

Did any of the Floyd haters even watch the fight? His size was the difference in the fight? Floyd didn't lean on him in the clench or push him around the ring. He used his superior hand speed and footwork to land cleanly and avoid everything that JMM threw at him. That has nothing to do with the two pounds that Floyd had. And again, I have to point out, the fight was contracted at 147 pounds with a stipulation that there would be a penalty for weighing more than 144lbs. If Marquez would have been over 144 lbs and Mayweather would have made it, HE would have had to pay Mayweather based on the stipulation in the contract.

see, you guys keep talking about 2 or 3 different things. No one is saying that you have to respect him or give him major props. Thats everyone's opininon but the thing we are debating is if JMM wouldve beaten Floyd if he did come in lower or at the lower weights or is he P4P better. JMM isnt. Come on, this guy gets hit easy all the time even against bums. You are talking about him fighting against a guy who is super fast and deadly accurate. Its not a good matchup for him at any weight. Its just not. Sure JMM is a better fighter at LW or 130 but think about Floyd back then. He's way way way way way faster than JMM. Thats the diffference. JMM is also a righty and theyre aint no righty that is going to hit him clean while he's in his prime. He has mastered the D. Thats why I always say that there are only 2 ways to beat Floyd. You have to be so much bigger & stronger than him to the point where he cant do anything but run & pot shot or you have to be a Southpaw and just catch him with something My senses tell me you are speaking from your heart on behalf of FMJ. He is indeed someone with great skillls. I can agree with your oppinion because FMJ has talent. I hope he uses his talent the best way he can possible to catch the eyes of many people who are boxing fans.

I bet that pac was heavier going into the de la hoya fight than Floyd was going into the jmm fight...Floyd has never blown up after the weigh in...I wouldn't be surprised if he came in at the exact same weight or within 2 pounds of it max... But when all is said and done...Floyd slaughtered JMM off of straight skill...nevermind weight...Floyd controlled the fight with a jab that JMM probably assumed he'd never throw...and Floyd literally threw every punch in the boxing book successfully...all with still holding back...skill...speed...conditioning...and poise all day...

as what nacho said.. ""We took the fight because the offer was real good and the fact that the fight was going to be at 143 pounds. But the day of the weighin, Mayweather came at 146 and we were really angry at that but then again I am not the promoter so we talked with Juan Manuel and we decided that we would fight because the public was paying to see the fight and even when Mayweather was not responsible enough, I have to say he is one of the best fighters ever, he has tremendous speed and he has a great defense, he is very confident in the ring and he is really good and smart, but Juan fought with courage, with heart, and refused to go down against the best fighter pound for pound in the world." Mayweather trick them. But as a warrior Juanma still face a much bigger floyd because the people were paying to see the fight. Thats why i still got a lot of respect for Juanma. If ever the situation happens to floyd i doubt the fight could have happen.. For sure Floyd will state lots of reason why he won't fight the boxer that didn't reach the agreed weight limit. And then points all the blame on the other boxer... :killyou: Get off this stupid weight crap! Any fight over 140 is a welterweight fight! Even if Floyd was 140 and JMM was 147, the result would stay the same!

Yeah, Floyd was in lower divisions in his early 20's. JMM moved up 2 divisions in less than a year at 36. Truth is Floyd is a natural WW, JMM is a natural FW. DEal with it. Size was the only difference. When Floyd decides to move up to 68' and doesn't get demolished, get back to me. I don't believe in name-calling the guys here .... but on that statement VictoriaBeckham - is totally off. Skill and Skillset, along with ability, defence and movement were all in Floyds favor. This fight could have happened at 140lbs and JMM would still have looked out of his depth. And JMM was at 148lbs for the fight. {According to HBO}

I would have given FMJ respect if he was to fight JMM at 135 or 140. Make no mistake but if the fight was declared at 135 to 140 Marquez would have gave FMJ problems. No respect given to someone who cant make weight and pay someone his pity change to go through with the fight and make millions and hit the mega fight making him 2x the millions. see, you guys keep talking about 2 or 3 different things. No one is saying that you have to respect him or give him major props. Thats everyone's opininon but the thing we are debating is if JMM wouldve beaten Floyd if he did come in lower or at the lower weights or is he P4P better. JMM isnt. Come on, this guy gets hit easy all the time even against bums. You are talking about him fighting against a guy who is super fast and deadly accurate. Its not a good matchup for him at any weight. Its just not. Sure JMM is a better fighter at LW or 130 but think about Floyd back then. He's way way way way way faster than JMM. Thats the diffference. JMM is also a righty and theyre aint no righty that is going to hit him clean while he's in his prime. He has mastered the D. Thats why I always say that there are only 2 ways to beat Floyd. You have to be so much bigger & stronger than him to the point where he cant do anything but run & pot shot or you have to be a Southpaw and just catch him with something

man you sound stupid. Thats the same thing that the Floyd fans have been saying for years about WW. They were saying that when Floyd was fighting Baldy & Zab and coming into the ring at 146 pounds while Pac was down at SFW coming into the ring at 147. Meanwhile the other WW's were coming into the ring at 162-170 but no one cared then so why should people care now? Again, what does that have to do with anything anyways. If you want the weight issue then Ill give it to you all day because my point is even at the lower weights, Floyd would murder JMM and its probably even worst at the lower weights because Floyd was still taller, he still has the reach, he's even more faster, and he's more aggressive. Dont tell me that JMM beats Floyd at any weight. Even the die hard JMM fans and Floyd haterz would admit that I would have given FMJ respect if he was to fight JMM at 135 or 140. Make no mistake but if the fight was declared at 135 to 140 Marquez would have gave FMJ problems. No respect given to someone who cant make weight and pay someone his pity change to go through with the fight and make millions and hit the mega fight making him 2x the millions.

That answers your question as to how JMM sold his soul to the Devil. just because he didnt win doesnt mean he sold his sold. 1st off even if you put the money aside, you have to think of the positives. He's fighting a guy who hasnt fought in nearly 2 years and is starting to get older. From JMM view and alot of others, he didnt think the size would be a huge factor because Floyd likes to pot shot and isnt a bully. He also saw Pac handle the weight so figued he could do the same. On top of that you are making more in one fight then you have in the rest of your career combined, you even got an extra 600,000 on top of it, and no one downs you for losing the fight. Since then youve had pretty much every top 140 pounder mention his name and he was on 24/7 where he got super huge exposure. He didnt sell his soul

what so impressive about a WW beating up a LW? can you tell me what your response had to do with anything said in that quote? Please put your hate aside

Yeah, Floyd was in lower divisions in his early 20's. JMM moved up 2 divisions in less than a year at 36. Truth is Floyd is a natural WW, JMM is a natural FW. DEal with it. Size was the only difference. When Floyd decides to move up to 68' and doesn't get demolished, get back to me. man you sound stupid. Thats the same thing that the Floyd fans have been saying for years about WW. They were saying that when Floyd was fighting Baldy & Zab and coming into the ring at 146 pounds while Pac was down at SFW coming into the ring at 147. Meanwhile the other WW's were coming into the ring at 162-170 but no one cared then so why should people care now? Again, what does that have to do with anything anyways. If you want the weight issue then Ill give it to you all day because my point is even at the lower weights, Floyd would murder JMM and its probably even worst at the lower weights because Floyd was still taller, he still has the reach, he's even more faster, and he's more aggressive. Dont tell me that JMM beats Floyd at any weight. Even the die hard JMM fans and Floyd haterz would admit that

You guys act like JMM is the man here. Floyd is the man and he just gave JMM a huge pay day and another 600,000 to go with it. Like I said, he wasnt beating Floyd at any weight and the reason why JMM still said yes is because he knew that he wouldve only made peanuts against anyone else what so impressive about a WW beating up a LW?

You guys act like JMM is the man here. Floyd is the man and he just gave JMM a huge pay day and another 600,000 to go with it. Like I said, he wasnt beating Floyd at any weight and the reason why JMM still said yes is because he knew that he wouldve only made peanuts against anyone else That answers your question as to how JMM sold his soul to the Devil.

unless pac gets stomped by cotto, jmm will never get his rematch. i agree jmm fukked up by accepting 600,000... he should've played hardball and got $2 mill. You guys act like JMM is the man here. Floyd is the man and he just gave JMM a huge pay day and another 600,000 to go with it. Like I said, he wasnt beating Floyd at any weight and the reason why JMM still said yes is because he knew that he wouldve only made peanuts against anyone else

I am talking about JMM signing the contract againts fighting FMJ at his comfort weight. Its remarkable how much guts JMM has to fight outside his comfort zone due to $ and fame and glory thats if he can beat the former p4p king. Had JMM not call out Mayweather after defeating Diaz, he should have crawled into fighting at 140 and beat a title holder in Timothy Bradley. If JMM was successful at 140, in no doubt his dream would come true in fighting the current p4p king in which he can have a glorious victory and become p4p champ number 1 in the world himself. I may be taking a gamble on what would have happened but it ruined both JMM and FMJ carreer. Some say there is no props for FMJ for shutting out a lightweight in Marquez and making him move up 2 weight divisions and also some say including himself say he wont be the best until i beat Pac. jmo. you really think a shutout win over the #2 P4P guy ruined Floyd's career? Most talked about how great of a performance it was, he's ranked in the top 2 at WW and P4P and he has his choice next of who he wants to fight in big super fights

Do you believe the trilogy between Pac and JMM has been diminished? Pac has only 2 or 3 fights left Cotto SSM FMJ I know their was too much money involved in the JMM vs FMJ fight but JMM should have demanded 2 Million rather than accepting the $600,000 FMJ gave him during the weight issues. Marquez "FMJ was at least 20 pounds more than me on fight night" I know money talks but how about your legacy? So whats next for Marquez? unless pac gets stomped by cotto, jmm will never get his rematch. i agree jmm fukked up by accepting 600,000... he should've played hardball and got $2 mill.