Seriously, I dont get why this is such a big subject to people or why it is so complicated. To me its black & white and always has been. 1st off we all have to admit that Floyd did challange him twice and Shane said NO. Its stupid for someone to try to downplay that but boost up everytime Shane challanges Floyd. However, Im not going to be a Floyd homer. I love Mosley and Shane aint scared of no one. Why did he turn the fights down? IDK but its not a huge deal to me. Also though, its not a huge deal to me that Floyd turned Shane down and I also dont think Floyd is scared of Shane at all. Why would Floyd jump to fight Shane after he got turned down twice? Its like Shane wanted nothing to do with him but now Floyd is the #1 star & money maker in boxing, and Shane is at the end of his career, he now wants a big pay day. He can get away with it because people hate Floyd so much that they will overlook all of that just to say that he chumped Floyd or Floyd is scared.
All that is secondary & meaningless though. This is the main thing and what Ive been saying forever. Floyd wants Shane. Even when Floyd was a super small WW and wasnt all that thrilled about fighting the big WW's, Ive always felt that he would fight Shane. Its just a different type of fight and you can tell that it excites Floyd and his family. However, he's not dumb. People want him to be dumb and act like boxing isnt a business but he's not going to do that. Fans & media need to wake up and aknowledge that it is a business and when you get to a certain postion, things change. Floyd wants to fight Mosley bad right now without a doubt but there aint no way he would come back from a 2 year layoff and fight Shane 1st. He was small when he left but now he's going to fight Shane in his 1st fight when he can make a mil with JMM? Then Shane jumped in the ring and ran off at the mouth and everyone went crazy. Now Im reading all these stupid threads & articles about how the fight wont ever happened because of Floyd and so on. Come on now, you guys have to be realist. Why would Floyd jump to fight Shane when he can just wait until Novermber to see if Pac wins?
Why would Floyd risk fighting Shane before a Pac fight? He would be an idiot. No boxer in his shoes would do that. No one. Thats why I tell people to stop talking about the Shane fight right now or stop making a big deal about Floyd saying that Shane had his chance. All it means is that he's going to wait & see what happeneds with Pac and everyone would do the same. If Pac wins then he's fighting Pac and after that I bet he would fight Shane without a doubt but not 1st. Why would he do something dumb like that? Also, what if Cotto wins? What do you guys seriously think will happened? You think Floyd is really going to retire again that fast or fight a guy from 140? No, he wants big money. I think if Cotto wins then Floyd will fight either Cotto, Mosley, Berto, or Clottey. If Mosley signs the Berto fight then I could honestly see Floyd fighting Clottey in Michigan or something for 1 last hometown fight. Would you be upset with that? My main point is that none of these guys are scared of eachother, its just business. Its the same as Shane not wanting Williams but trying to chump Floyd. Shane aint scared of Williams and I think he would definatly fight him but not when he may can fight Floyd 1st who is much smaller and brings much more fame & money. He would be dumb to do otherwise.
Look at Shane when he thought he could fight Pac. People forget about that. He wasnt even really worried about Floyd at that time. When people asked him about Floyd he said that he would fight Floyd but he wants Pac then Floyd. He said it a million times. He said that because he wanted to go in order of the easiest fight for the lowest risk, highest reward. He obviously felt that Floyd was a tougher fight for him than Pac. Its funny because he clowns Floyd for fighting little JMM but then he openly says that Cotto will beat Pac because Pac is too small. Is that why you were just giving your left nut to try to make a fight with him? Yet no one cared but when its Floyd, everyone goes crazy. All these guys want to fight eachother but its a business. Its dumb when I hear fans say so & so will fight anyone. No they wont. They fight anyone when they have to. If they get on top then they pick the fights that make the most sense. We were even saying that about Margarito. How he challenged everyone and then as soon as he was on top he started talking about how everything was a business so he cant fight Williams right now.
You guys also have to remember the size thing that I have always talked about. Floyd isnt huge now but he's obviously a different cat. Again, go back & watch the Baldy fight & highlights. He was like a flat board and it was clear that Baldy was much stronger. After that fight he had to know that guys like Margarito, Cotto, and so on would give him hell and he didnt want to lose just because he was too small. The media & fans dont get that and dont care. They just cant wait to call you a punk who is scared. Now fast forward to this Floyd who is probably only 4 or 5 pounds bigger. He's still the smallest WW but you can tell he's much more comfortable at the weight and much more able to handle himself against a big guy. This Floyd wouldnt be as hesitant to fight those guys back then. It matters. Thats another reason why I think people on here and in the media are fools. Floyd is definatly not going to fear those guys now since he's at 152. It changes alot. Still, he's going to take the Pac fight over any of them and he would be dumb not to. You cant blame him for that and its the same thing that every fighter is doing.
It dosent matter there is noone floyd could beat that he would get credit for.
Mosley= Too old,past prime, tailor made.
PAC= Blown up feather weight, would have won if they fought at lower weight.
Cotto= Damage goods, wouldve won had they fought before Floyd retired.
He would have to beat a MW or Pwill to get any credit.
It's funny that Floyd stans weren't demanding a Floyd-Williams fight when he mentioned Cotto and Mayweather's names in the post fight interview of his win over Margarito and at the time he was in Floyd's division. But now that he is getting ready to fight Pavlik, you guys want Floyd to fight him at 160. And when are people going to stop using Paul Williams as a shield to block venom toward Mayweather? Williams was already at 160 when Mosley turned him down. If he was ranked at 147 and Mosley turned him down, your argument about Mosley being a hypocrite may hold some weight. I'm disappointed that Mosley turned him down too, but do you think that's taken away from my desire to see a fight that is way overdue between Mosley and Mayweather. This fight should've happened in 2007, because Mosley chased Floyd's chicken tracks after he dominated Collazo.
Back in 2006 Foyd wanted mosley on a date he had in early november. Mosley had just fought vargas at 154 in july and mosley had already fought vargas earlier that year as well. If you look at mosleys record he never fights more that twice in a year. To do what floyd wanted mosley would have to drop from 154 to 147 and fight floyd in a few months for his third fight that year. I dont blame mosley in any way for not taking that fight. If the roles were reversed floyd sure as hell wouldnt. Mosley actually suggested that floyd fight margacheato and he would fight the winner but floyd fought baldo on his date of the 4th nov. Mosley needed more time and thats exactly what he said, yet he constantly gets slated for this. :alucard:
Most of you are too emotional over this shit. Boxing is a business just like the nfl, baseball, and football. When players are free agents they dont always go to the team that will when the championship, they go to the team that will give them the most money.Just like Tiger will go to the tournament, that pays the most. Shit even in endorsements, who ever come with the most money is gonna get that players 9 out of 10 times. Boxing isnt any different. What would you rather do go down in history as a all time great, like Frazier, Louis or go down in history like De La Hoya, where your kids, kids aint got to work.
Stop thinking as fans, and put yourself in there shoes. They knocking each other brains out, at a cost, you dumbasses.
Mosley knows that there are only two paydays out there for him now...either with PBF or Pacquiao. No one is going to pay to see him fight Cotto in a rematch so he wants to make the biggest money fight at the end of his career. Its funny though that people are making a big deal about Floyd not immediately agreeing to fight Mosley, but those same people gloss over the 2006 call out that Mosley didn't answer. This after asking for a 10 million dollar purse in 99 as well.
if shane is tailor made for floyd then why don't he fight him then instead of ducking him???!!!!
then why don't floyd just retire? since u think he beats everyone and he won't get any credit he should just retire and let real WWs fight real WWs and jr WWs fight jr WWs.
if floyd won't fight the fights we wanna see him fight then he should just retire!
Well its obvious he will fight one of the three next. But my opinion is that he should fight whoever brings the most money to the table because thats what Id do in his shoes and so would you.
SSM was practically begging for a fight with PAC before the fight was made with cotto. He even agreed hed go down to 140. That shows just how desperate he is. PAC instead chose to fight Cotto at a higher weight , Was he ducking SSM to?
In reality you really dont give a shit about SSM, you just think he has a good chance at beating Floyd and thats why you everyone else are screaming for them to square off.
why are people on nsb more hyped about about a mosley fight than a cotto or pac fight? can someone explain this to me. i know he is considered the #1 ww but damn do ya'll honestly think he'd be a harder fight than pac or cotto. shane at this point of he career is tailor made for floyd.
if shane is tailor made for floyd then why don't he fight him then instead of ducking him???!!!!
It dosent matter there is noone floyd could beat that he would get credit for.
Mosley= Too old,past prime, tailor made.
PAC= Blown up feather weight, would have won if they fought at lower weight.
Cotto= Damage goods, wouldve won had they fought before Floyd retired.
He would have to beat a MW or Pwill to get any credit.
then why don't floyd just retire? since u think he beats everyone and he won't get any credit he should just retire and let real WWs fight real WWs and jr WWs fight jr WWs.
if floyd won't fight the fights we wanna see him fight then he should just retire!
why are people on nsb more hyped about about a mosley fight than a cotto or pac fight? can someone explain this to me. i know he is considered the #1 ww but damn do ya'll honestly think he'd be a harder fight than pac or cotto. shane at this point of he career is tailor made for floyd.
It dosent matter there is noone floyd could beat that he would get credit for.
Mosley= Too old,past prime, tailor made.
PAC= Blown up feather weight, would have won if they fought at lower weight.
Cotto= Damage goods, wouldve won had they fought before Floyd retired.
He would have to beat a MW or Pwill to get any credit.
To be fair, Pull, your bias is blinding you. Even to the point where you claimed that Joe Calzaghe has fought better opposition than FMJ. That does not lend credibility to your claims.
I was just messing w/ floyd stans about the calz thing... I even put that in white i think.
floyd is ducking pwill too then!
To be fair, Pull, your bias is blinding you. Even to the point where you claimed that Joe Calzaghe has fought better opposition than FMJ. That does not lend credibility to your claims.
It has been three weeks since Floyd last fought. Why not give him some time to decide his next more before automatically assuming he is ducking Shane?
Williams has been calling out Shane for over a year but we dont hear shit about that.
Hypocritical....
How quick did you type this up? You just posted not too long ago :wtf1:
I tried to tell you people but no one wont beleive it. I can type a million words in a minute. Ive takened multiple computer/keyboard/typing classes and I always have a bunch to say. It honestly doesnt take me nothing but a couple of minutes to type out a long thought
c'mon guy...
This isn't history class. floyd needs to stop ducking mosley now!
floyd is a great WW. mosley is the #1 WW. lets get it on!!!!
funny how ppl say that this isn't history class, but those same ppl like to bring up the PAST when they say that Floyd lost to JCC the first time...hahaha...NSB is amazing!
I'm not talking directly to you Pull...just making a coming off your statement.
floyd challenged him around the time he was going to face de lah hoya.. sorry but de la hoya was a bigger name and a harder fight at the time. can't blame him.
the toothache thing I give you, but it's not like Mosley hasn't called Mayweather out either.
anyway, when you call someone and insult them with a bunch of names such as a doper, a sparring partner and claim he is no good because he uses steroids and then get confronted by that guy and don't back your words up rather backtrack and say "I respect you as a man" of course you are going to get shit.
he talked the big talk but when Mosley was in front of him he straight coward.
Mayweather got punked and is hearing it because of it.
Mayweather got punked? When was this?