Let's see him step up two weights like Marquez and take on Kelly Pavlik. Then I'll say, yeah Mayweather...ATG.
Pac-Man is just another low risk payday IMO.
how can you move up 5 weight divs and fight only little guys
Has he fought the best at welterweight. I will help you. NO.
Mosley, margerito, cotto, Clottery, Williams, Berto.
Now he did be judah who happened to lose to every single good fighter he has faced
He did beat hatton at 147, who happened to almost lose to Calloza, Almost got stopped in the 10th round by him. Only 1 fight, and said he simply was not a Welter. He said this before the Mayweather fight.
He beat Baldomir who is a bum, had like 15 losses or something,
He beat DLH, who had lost half of his fights leading up to the fight. He only won by split decision, and only won rounds when DlH was simply exhausted. Did nothing to DLH while Dlh had his jab and stamina. Also DLH was 36yrs old and shot.
He just beat JMM, who had never fought at 147, or 140, and only had 2 fights at 135. Hmmm very impressive.
Those are your facts. Those guys mentioned befor as bigger, not one of them had him beat on reach. Not one of them are considered a all time great.
So how is mayweather a top all time fighter when he has done nothing to prove so. Anyone could retire undefeated if they duck the best at a certain division. Why would he fight a fighter who has only had 2 fights 2 divisions south of him, and the rest where 3 division south of him,instead of fighting and facing the best at his class.
he doesn't have to throughout his career hes fought and won titles in five different weight classes and welter weight was marquez's fifth so i think there about even if you ask me
You are right man,until Mayweather jumps to heavyweight to challenge Klitschko or Valuev some people will never give him props,all they want to see is Mayweather losing.
They know Manny isn't the guy to beat Floyd and all of a sudden Manny is too small
Yeah, that's what it's going to take to satisfy all the critics.
Two smaller fighters that he fought equal his whole resume.
Corrales, Castillo (twice), De La Hoya, N'Dou, Hernandez, Baldomir All these guys were bigger than Floyd and outweighed him on fight night.
Exactly.
Mayweather wins a shut out against Pavlik, beats Mosley on a UD, beats Manny on a UD. stick anyone in with Mayweather and he will not lose.
I have to agree.
If Mayweather were a real man he would gain 100lbs and revitalize the heavyweight division.
That would be monumental and put him at all time greatness.
Floyd is a great pound per pound fighter. What we are saying is that he is not a Sugar Ray leonard type of fighter who fought all comers. He picks and chooses his opponents. At welterweight, he has not fought ANY of the top welters.
Keep in mind now days, the fighter does not have weigh in the same day. Thus most times they are fighting 10-15 pounds heavier than what they weighed in at. Thus Mayweather probably was fighting above 140 for most of his fights,putting him up there with a leoanrd hearns etc at welter,who had to weight in the day off, so they were much closer to the welter pound limit at fight time. Sure they would have replenished after weight in but not too much for fear of slowing down considerably, and cramping up.
Mayweather would not even dream of fighting these Welters, as he is too scared to fight these welters he has today. Could you imagine him fighting a peak tommy hearns at welter. He would get slaughtered.
Corrales
Ganero
JLC
You're an idiot.
First off you dumb ass...Not one of these fighters has the reach advantage on floyd, which is the topic of this threat, Height and reach.
Corrales had a 70 inch reach. Ganero 72 inch reach, and jlc 69 inch reach.
Floy has a 72 inch reach too.
Maybe you idiots you and others on here, need to research before opening your dumbass mouths.
So tell me again which boxer has floyd faced who was:
Bigger
had the reach
was peak
and was a great fighter..
I wouldn't say he fights only little guys. He has fought taller and heavier guys than him. He just doesn't fight prime Welterweight's.
I can't argue that fact for now but all am saying is now,he has to face them and I believe he will but all this nonsense about him being scared and all that is bull.I say judge him on his next few fights.cause I think he will fight Mosley or cotto next but am hoping for the pac fight or even better,Williams when he gets a bigger following,I think that is the fight that may secure his legacy if he fights him and wins.but we will see.
you seem as if your the only person with sense in this forum.to be truthful,I now want Mayweather to fight Pac,Mosley and Williams..am a massive Floyd fan and enjoy his brilliant skills in the ring.People say why does he not brawl and that he has no heart but hold on a minute,if you had no heart,1,you wouldnt be a gym rat and dedicated to your craft,2.you would not be a fighter full stop,and wouldnt dare get in the ring.and as for brawling,why should he,the sport is about hit and dont get hit..I am not saying people have to enjoy his style but you got to respect it..If I was a boxer,I would try last the longest in the sport to make the most money for my family without taking much punishment..after all thats the name of the bloody game..why you want him to brawl and get hurt if hes winning without getting hurt.some people are som dumb and defy logic..You blood suckers love it when people brawl..well Ali(The greatest)let people hit him and look where hes at now...so so sad.I know its a brutal sport but if you have the skill to avoid a rukus(brawl)and win and get the most money for your family,ask yourself this,wouldnt you do the same....Forget the put it all in the ring bulls***,what about your damn family..come on guys,I aint a nuthugger but lets be sensible..you got to respect the guy,brawler or not.
as fro fighting smaller guys,get out of here..apart from Hatton and Marquez who was much smaller than him?? and why do you not use that same excuse when he fought the bigger Delohoya,Corrales,Castillo,Hernandez...etc...
before you haters open your mouth put yourself in the boxers position please..He might be superman in the ring but they are human beings as well..I bet you'd love for Floyd to try and brawl and get knocked out cold..you would not care for his well being at all,you'd just be cussing him on the net but am sure the family would be gravely concerned..all am saying is boxers are human not machines and boxing is life and death at times so consider that..
anyway,I do hope Floyd fights,Pac,Cotto or mosley next,.
am done with this blood clart novel ive just written...lol.
HATTON WASNT SMALLER. You ****ing idiots show your naivete when you assume weight class means everything. Hatton consistently outweighs FLoyd at a lower class.
Hatton consistently out-weighs most heavy-weights. he is probaly at same weight as Arreloa now.
HATTON WASNT SMALLER. You ****ing idiots show your naivete when you assume weight class means everything. Hatton consistently outweighs FLoyd at a lower class.
Let's see him step up two weights like Marquez and take on Kelly Pavlik. Then I'll say, yeah Mayweather...ATG.
Pac-Man is just another low risk payday IMO.
Naaaah. At WW you've got a point as he took on Marquez and Hatton. But to win titles at five weight classes he's obviously climbed and fought bigger ppl. De la Hoya, Baldomir, Castillo and Corales come to mind. For the record he doesn't deserve props for JJM and he needs to be fighting WWs i.e Mosley. Come on lets get the facts right!!!
The embarassing part is that Pac is fighting Cotto. One of the killers in the weightclass.
While gayweather fights a guy 2 weight classes below him.
SO yeah.
Then again gayweather really has no sense of shame.
Otherwise he'd have more courage to prove his so-called "greatness".
NOT.
Plus, Mayweather isn't waiting for the winner of Cotto vs Pacquiao. So what is he waiting for?
its be more accurate to he doesnt fight anyone notable in his division.
Mosley/cotto/clottey/pwill/margarito the top welters have fought each other at 1 point (pwill moved up)
a junior lightweight last year, manny.... Is fighting 1 of them
floyd's been in the division for 4 years, 2 inactive, and hasnt fought any of them
its embarassing as a floyd fan but i have to agree with you.
Not one of these fighters was the following:
bigger
peak
had reach
considered a very very good to great fighter
Not one of these.
Corrales
Ganero
JLC
You're an idiot.