Has Manny surpassed Tito on the ATG list?

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Outside of DLH(who actually won), I don't see his resume to be all that great. Camacho, Vargas...who else? completely agree. who the hell has tito beat? Pacquiao was ranked higher 4 years ago IMO...

I'd say so. I love Tito, but I have to give it to Pacquiao. His fights with MAB, Erik and JMM were enough to put him on par or better than Tito, IMO... The impressive beatdowns of Oscar and Ricky secured the deal.

I'd say so. I love Tito, but I have to give it to Pacquiao. His fights with MAB, Erik and JMM were enough to put him on par or better than Tito, IMO... The impressive beatdowns of Oscar and Ricky secured the deal.

I'd say so. I love Tito, but I have to give it to Pacquiao.

Manny is no where near a natural Welter in terms of size. He's the same size as MAB, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, natural Jr Feathers and Featherwieghts. Yet he's been able to move up to 135 and KTFO David Diaz, picking up a strap in his first fight in the division. Then he jumps 2 weight classes and schools and makes Oscar quit on his stool. He then moves back down, this time to 140 and KFTO Hatton in TWO ROUNDS! That shit is unheard of for a fighter Manny's size. Now he's a 2 to 1 favorite against one of the top Welters in the World. Seriously, you should reassess your idea of an ATG fighter.

No way. Not unless he fights and beats he best fighters available. He avoided the best three fighters at 135 and fought only one of the top contenders at 140. There are at least two others available for him to fight at 140. He will fight his first top fighter at 147 in November. If he is to get to ATG level, he would have to beat Cotto, fight and beat or at least compete well against Mayweather and then beat Mosley/Clottey winner or move back down to 140 and beat either Bradley or whoever is the top contender there. If he does those things, then we can include him in the ATG conversation. My idea of an ATG is Roy Jones Jr. He fought and beat the best at 160, 168, 175 and then moved up to heavyweight and won a championship there. Regardless of his losses and setbacks over the last few years, he has established his legacy. Pac has avoided half of the best fighters available to him. Manny is no where near a natural Welter in terms of size. He's the same size as MAB, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, natural Jr Feathers and Featherwieghts. Yet he's been able to move up to 135 and KTFO David Diaz, picking up a strap in his first fight in the division. Then he jumps 2 weight classes and schools and makes Oscar quit on his stool. He then moves back down, this time to 140 and KFTO Hatton in TWO ROUNDS! That shit is unheard of for a fighter Manny's size. Now he's a 2 to 1 favorite against one of the top Welters in the World. Seriously, you should reassess your idea of an ATG fighter.

If not, will a KO win over Cotto propel him above the great Puerto Rican puncher? No way. Not unless he fights and beats he best fighters available. He avoided the best three fighters at 135 and fought only one of the top contenders at 140. There are at least two others available for him to fight at 140. He will fight his first top fighter at 147 in November. If he is to get to ATG level, he would have to beat Cotto, fight and beat or at least compete well against Mayweather and then beat Mosley/Clottey winner or move back down to 140 and beat either Bradley or whoever is the top contender there. If he does those things, then we can include him in the ATG conversation. My idea of an ATG is Roy Jones Jr. He fought and beat the best at 160, 168, 175 and then moved up to heavyweight and won a championship there. Regardless of his losses and setbacks over the last few years, he has established his legacy. Pac has avoided half of the best fighters available to him.

yes.......trinidad was left hook crazy that night.............he was going through a rough divorce...........fight was postpone............BHOP's mental game took a toll on the great trinidad..........i doubt PAC will rely on the left straight.......but PAC is kinda acting like a "diva" lately.........watch rocky3...........the change in location will have a negative toll on the pacman's game...............hope roach and pac patch it up................. Rocky III....................... LMAO...........................

If he retires now, yes. If he falls off as bad as Tito did, no. Tito should have stayed retired after his farewell fight in PR in 2002.

If he retires now, yes. If he falls off as bad as Tito did, no.

LMAO.................why not.........Cotto is definitely bigger just like BHOP.............got some skills..........just like BHOP.............its possible......for Cotto to win.......... Not "just like BHOP" B-Hop is as skilled as they come; Cotto doesn't compare. Manny will hit Cotto twice as many times as Tito hit Bernard.

Just in case you're wondering... It's not Cotto. care to bet points?

Tito's best wins were against Vargas..Camacho....DLH which we all know he got schooled, a past his prime Whitaker...a never was named David Reid and a Mayorga. He got destroyed by Bhop...RJ...Winky. Not an all time great. Def one of the most popular boxers though. Guy could still sell out MSG or MGM Grand.

YES he has surpass one of my all time fave...............he beat better mexican greats..........more weightclass..............PAC kinda reminds me how destructive tito was going up in weight.....................the question is Who is PACS BHOP?........... Just in case you're wondering... It's not Cotto.

YES he has surpass one of my all time fave...............he beat better mexican greats..........more weightclass..............PAC kinda reminds me how destructive tito was going up in weight.....................the question is Who is PACS BHOP?........... You know I was wondering the same thing,Cotto may be the one ,i guess we will see in november

tito was a good fighter, not a great in the over all boxing game. He was a great Puerto Rican fighter, but just a good fighter with loads of power in the broader aspect of boxing as a whole.

umm...Tito isnt an ATG WTF?Tito has a great resume,he is definetly ATG,cant remember Tito for the last few fights,Winky was wrong for him and Bernard and Jones were just too big and fast for him and there is no shame on loosing to those two

pac has definetely surpassed tito in atg status. i think tito lost his atg status after his third retirement, lmao

Pac vs Tito at 145? Are you dumb? How unfair would that be? Think about it... Some people never cease to amaze me. well lets see pac is fighting cotto the ww champ and he is fighting him at 145. So if roles were reverse and tito was say cotto fighting on nov. 14 pac would lose bad real bad. Basically if tito was what cotto is 28 and about to fight pac at 145 tito knocks him out which cotto does too