Just Rewatched Some Of Cotto vs Quintana

Something I noticed... Cotto has dished out some brutal bodywork against southpaws...I guess since their body is out in front. Judah, Quintana, and Corley were all stopped as a result.

Valero is the farthest thing you will ever see from Pacquiao, do you see his footwork and head movement? and plus he's not even half as fast as Pacman.Valero has "School me" all over his face. Then name someone who resembles Pac better than Valero if you can. Valero is as good as it gets. Calderon although speedy doesn't remotely have the power Valero carries and is too short as well. This is some ignorant shit. Valero's in and out foot movement is the closest to Pacquiao there is at such a high weight and if you don't think he's even half as fast, just stop watching boxing. Valero beat the shit out of Oscar in training camp using that in and out attack similar to what Pac actually did in the real fight. He may be slightly slower than Pac but he's a bonafide one punch knockout artist. Cotto could benefit greatly by working with an aggressive, hard hitting southpaw roughly the same size as Manny in camp.

agreed with the whole invincible mentality thing. fighters change once they lose their 0, especially at the elite level. i was saying the same thing about roy when he lost his. he changed after getting his lights put out and he's just now recovering and getting his confidence back. if cotto was still undefeated, i would be putting my money on him than on pac. pac has the mental edge right now and cotto doesn't seem to be 100% of his old self. i think he's starting to come back though after watching the clottey fight. he didn't look great but he showed some of the ferociousness he used to have.

Did anyone else have Cotto losing the 4 previous rounds to Quintana before he stopped him? Me, i had Cotto losing the first 4 rounds.

Notice that I used the word "some". 1st time Ive seen it since it happened. I only really watched because Pac is a Southpaw so I wanted to remember how Cotto did against Quintana who also moves decently and has some decent pop. A few things stood out to me. Cotto was mentaly a different guy back then. You can tell when a guy is undefeated. He was so confident and halfway cocky walking around the ring and on the ropes before the fight. Its like he knew he was the shit and invincible. He also had that measured cocky style that guys have when they feel like theyre big and they can cave your chest in no matter what you try to do or how many punches you land. Then I started gauging him vs Pac. Cotto was very heavy handed against Carlos and I said that he could break Pac down if he hits him with those heavy shots. However, we all know that Cotto was never super fast but I always felt that he had pretty good speed for his size but seemed to lose it after the Margarito fight. Now watching this fight with Quintana, he looks slow even back then so I think that will be a super huge advantage for Pac. I also saw that Quintana still had some good moments and landed pretty well on Cotto but he also fought very slow and was always worried about Cotto's power so he stayed moving backwards. I think Pac will fight very fast and although he may not be moving forward, I think he will commit to his shots alot more. Thats what I try to tell people about the Cotto & Mosley vs Margarito. People said that if Cotto couldnt hurt him then how could Mosley but I said the differnce is that even though Cotto was landing power shots on Margarito, he never fully commited to any of them. He normaly digs but he didnt do that to Margarito because he was on the move. I said Mosley always commits no matter who the opponent and he will try to dig in Margarito & punch through him so its a totally different kind of power and we saw the result. Its also the same thing I say when people talk about Mosley vs Clottey compared to Cotto vs Clottey. I think Mosley has a chance to stop him because he will commit to the punches more and punch through him. Quintana didnt do that to Cotto and Pac wont do it full time either but I could see him doing it alot with his speed advantage and he's going to catch Cotto atleast a few times with that Southpaw style. Again, I also think that mentaly Cotto is a different guy now. He doesnt have that unbeaten swagger. That could be the biggest thing about this fight to me. On one hand I think his swagger will be back for this fight because he still has some good wins, he knows Pac is a smaller man, and he knows a win here puts him back on top and alot of people will claim that he's still undefeated. However, if the fight starts and Pac does anything well then I think he could lose that swagger very quickly and start thinking that he isnt the same guy, he's finding out how good the #1 P4P guy in the sport is, and he's losing to a smaller guy. That will take all his confidence away even if its just a normal close fight. All in all I think it will be a good fight that could go either way but I think Pac is on point now, is big enough to take a hard shot, is a warrior enough to take a hard shot, and is too fast for Cotto. I think he stops him sometime after the 8th round and he bloodies Cotto up after some tough rounds early. Also, if Cotto was to win, I think a fight between him & Floyd would be great. I dont know if Floyd has truly gained any weight but I think his body has changed enough to the point where he is built enough to handle any WW now so I think he will geniuley fight them all. I dont know if his weight has changed but physicaly he looks more ripped & bulked than he did when he fought Zab & Baldy. My main concern about Floyd in those fights is mental. I dont think he feels that he can let go like he did at the lower weights against these huge guys and he may have been right at 1st but with his new body I think he would rake those guys if he let his hands go and really commited to being more physical. I think he could fight a Margarito or Cotto right now and be just as strong, physical, and destroy them with his skill but I could see him mentaly not thinking that and deciding to pot shot instead and then they would give him hell. He's got to realize that he's capable of hurting them. I often think that his sparring has hurt him. I think he started sparring huge guys like Jantuah while he was still small and he pot shotted them all the time because they were so big and it transfered over into the ring. I think they felt that guys like Jantuah would help him because if he cant hurt Floyd then no one his size could but in some ways I think it had the reverse affect because he was probably so big & strong that Floyd just pot shotted him in sparring. shane,clottey and quintanna are all better boxers than pacquiao i wouldn't even consider paquiao as a boxer he is more of a brawler or a fighter, besides the fact that quintanaa is a lefty there are not any other similarity

I wrote this whole long thing and I forgot to add one of the biggest things that I was thinking. That is that I could see Cotto-Pac being exactly like Cotto-Margarito with Cotto playing the Margarito role in this fight. I could see Pac landing quick shots and combos while beating Cotto to the punch and piling up some early points but in the meantime Cotto is landing big shots that are taking more & more of a toll until the fight starts to change in the 2nd half and Cotto beats it out of him. That would be strange if it happened that way considering how Cotto lost to Margarito Had a lot on your mind huh? Cotto wouldn't be able to take Pac's punches and stay strong like Margarito. If Cotto tied some shit like just walking into Pacquiao's wheelhouse with no jab, no defense, it would be over quick.

I wrote this whole long thing and I forgot to add one of the biggest things that I was thinking. That is that I could see Cotto-Pac being exactly like Cotto-Margarito with Cotto playing the Margarito role in this fight. I could see Pac landing quick shots and combos while beating Cotto to the punch and piling up some early points but in the meantime Cotto is landing big shots that are taking more & more of a toll until the fight starts to change in the 2nd half and Cotto beats it out of him. That would be strange if it happened that way considering how Cotto lost to Margarito WHen has Cotto ever been a 2nd half guy.. Fatboy will be exhausted chasing Pacman around in the championship rounds.. Cotto doesnt like getting hit either.. If anything Cotto will be doing the running after round 7 or 8..(that wouldnt be new to Cotto) RUN COTTO!! RUNNN!!

Valero is the farthest thing you will ever see from Pacquiao, do you see his footwork and head movement? and plus he's not even half as fast as Pacman. Valero has "School me" all over his face. This is some ignorant shit. Valero's in and out foot movement is the closest to Pacquiao there is at such a high weight and if you don't think he's even half as fast, just stop watching boxing.

I wrote this whole long thing and I forgot to add one of the biggest things that I was thinking. That is that I could see Cotto-Pac being exactly like Cotto-Margarito with Cotto playing the Margarito role in this fight. I could see Pac landing quick shots and combos while beating Cotto to the punch and piling up some early points but in the meantime Cotto is landing big shots that are taking more & more of a toll until the fight starts to change in the 2nd half and Cotto beats it out of him. That would be strange if it happened that way considering how Cotto lost to Margarito

well, atleast he isn't complaining so margo took away cotto's confidence, not his punch resisstance. Margo never knocked Cotto down, Cotto took a knee. Call it quitting if you want, but that's different then getting knocked off your feet by a punch.

Cotto should seriously get some intense sparring done with Edwin Valero if he wants to beat Pacquiao. He hits harder than Pac and the closest thing to Manny you will see in this sport.

Aren't you tired of gargling Cotto's nuts every freaking day? :lol1: well, atleast he isn't complaining I watched it last night too haha. Your right about how cocky Cotto was, you see especially in the Gomez fight, he knew he how good he was. Post-Margo he has changed, but I think it's because he realized he isn't unstoppable, he can be beaten. I think in the long run, it could help him in that respect. so margo took away cotto's confidence, not his punch resisstance.

In concluson you want Cotto to lose wo Floyd can get another Mega fight. But Cotto will KTFO Pacquiao and FLoyd will duck him again and you will write a full page thread on how FLoyd needs to take a tune up against Ivan Calderon!!!!!!!!!!! By the way didnt rea all of that!!!!!!!!1 Cotto should put you on payroll for sucking and gargling his nuts. :D

In concluson you want Cotto to lose wo Floyd can get another Mega fight. But Cotto will KTFO Pacquiao and FLoyd will duck him again and you will write a full page thread on how FLoyd needs to take a tune up against Ivan Calderon!!!!!!!!!!! By the way didnt rea all of that!!!!!!!!1 Aren't you tired of gargling Cotto's nuts every freaking day? :lol1:

I watched it last night too haha. Your right about how cocky Cotto was, you see especially in the Gomez fight, he knew he how good he was. Post-Margo he has changed, but I think it's because he realized he isn't unstoppable, he can be beaten. I think in the long run, it could help him in that respect.