This is beyond me. People seem to judge Mundine's whole career due to taking a few keep busy fights. Lots of the ATG fighters would take keep busy fights such as Ray Robinson, Julio Chavez, and Pernell Whitaker to name a few.
Here is Mundine Resume Of Oppostion fought..............
-Sven Ottke (24-0) #1 SM In The World. Mundine takes this fight after only 10 fights and no amature expreince. (Ottke is also one of the best amatures of all time, in the amatures he beat the likes of Antonio Tarver and Juan Carlos Gomez)
-Antwun Echols (29-4) Echoles was a world class amature, was considred one of the biggest punchers in the sport at the time, and was rated #3 in the world by Ring Magazine.
-Manny Siaca A fomer world champion, and also a two time world title challanger. (Was a very good amature in his native PR)
-Mikkel Kessler Number #1 SM in the world, carried at 35-0 record and was WBA SM Champion)
-Danny Green Green was a world class amature who went to the 2000 Olympics Games. Going into the Mundine fight he was a top 5 ranked fighter. Since the Mundine fight Green has went on to become a 2 weight world champion.
-Sam Solimanx3. Mundine is the only ever fighter to knock out the tricky Soliman. Winky Wright, Enrique Ornelas, Sakio Bika, Raymond Joval,and Howard Eastman all fought Soliman and cound't KO him, thats pretty good win, he also beat Soliman twice on points.
Some people also think Sam beat the then #2 P4P Winky Wright, Sam also holds wins over the likes of Sakio Bika and Enrique Ornelas.
-Shannan Taylor Former two time world title challenger, who took Arthur Abraham the full 12, Going into the Mundine fight was ranked number #10 by the WBA, and at one point in 1998 was ranked by Ring Magazine
-Daniel Geale was 21-0, rated by Ring Magazine, was IBO world Champion. Held wins over 29-0 and Daniel Dawson and had defeated JR European Amature Champion Geard Ajetovic.
He was also a world class amature. he was a 5 time national Aussie amature champion, represented Australia at the Olympic games and had won the 2002 Commonwealth games.
How is this fighting nobodies then? Mundine has fought both of the best SMW in the world, fought great contenders, and champions. Big wow he fought a few stay busy fights, all the ATG Fighters have. But you look at his real resume.
That is impressive especailly for a man who didn't start boxing until the age of 25.
Why bring up Ottke all the while he lost and not only did he lose he got KTFO by a feather fist.
Mundine is a nobody on the World stage let me say that again so it sinks in "a nobody"
Do you know why people dont talk about him very much ? because he is not relative in these 168lbs debates, why ? because he only fights Taxi drivers and thinks he is bad ass because he had held an interim title.
Fcuking bum should get his glass jaw to American and fight a live body.
The reason I bring up Ottke is due to people saying he contanly fights nobodies when this is no true. After 10 fights with no amature exprience, and he was out boxing the number #1 SM in the world for 10 rounds.
And actually alof people talk about him. And it wasn't a interim title you idiot.
He goes down in the WBA history books as a champion. Here's proof..
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/WBA_Super_Middleweight_Champion
Let me ask your 27 and what have you ever achieved with your life, o yeah you don't answer me because your a embrassement.
Joe wasn't KTFO's one punch style like Mundine was, please keep up. Maybe Ottke's fists were so heavy that Gatti just has more heart than Mundine to stand up to Ottke's assault while Mundine just layed down.
Mundine was knocked out, he didnt have a choice whether to get up or not you idiot. You can tell you have never boxed. Shithouse.
Oktte was a world class amatur who beat the likes of Antonio Tarver, Micahel Moorer, and Juan Carlos Gomez.
He achieved more than Junior Jones in the pro rank making 21 defences of his IBF Title.
Let's get back to you, you call Mundine fit to burn. Your 27 have you ever boxed? Would you take on the number #1 in your weight division after only 10pro fights with no amature exprience?
Mundine has achived things you can only dream about.
Why bring up Ottke all the while he lost and not only did he lose he got KTFO by a feather fist.
Mundine is a nobody on the World stage let me say that again so it sinks in "a nobody"
Do you know why people dont talk about him very much ? because he is not relative in these 168lbs debates, why ? because he only fights Taxi drivers and thinks he is bad ass because he had held an interim title.
Fcuking bum should get his glass jaw to American and fight a live body.
Actually Joe Gatti brother of the late warrior Arturo Gatti. Said tha Ottke felt like he had something in his hands he was punching that hard.
Ottke stopped Joe Gatt aswell!
Joe wasn't KTFO's one punch style like Mundine was, please keep up. Maybe Ottke's fists were so heavy that Gatti just has more heart than Mundine to stand up to Ottke's assault while Mundine just layed down.
Hmm lets see.
Jones knocks Barrera out but Jones beats Orlando Canzalez, Tom Johnson, Barrera 2x.
Jones is no Manny Siaca, Ottke.
Oktte was a world class amatur who beat the likes of Antonio Tarver, Micahel Moorer, and Juan Carlos Gomez.
He achieved more than Junior Jones in the pro rank making 21 defences of his IBF Title.
Let's get back to you, you call Mundine fit to burn. Your 27 have you ever boxed? Would you take on the number #1 in your weight division after only 10pro fights with no amature exprience?
Mundine has achived things you can only dream about.
Actually Joe Gatti brother of the late warrior Arturo Gatti. Said tha Ottke felt like he had something in his hands he was punching that hard.
Ottke stopped Joe Gatt aswell!
Two words...........Terry Norris.
Your whole argument is lame. Mundine fought Ottke in 2001 and Kessler in like 04 or 05. he has had no relevence since then on the world class scene except through his mouth. Danny Green was overrated as you can see by his record against world class opposition, and fighting Sam Soliman 3 times counts for nothing as far as being world class.
How many of his opponents has Ottke KTFO'd?- 1 your boyfriend mundine. I just saw your stupid ass comment from earlier that said that 90% of people who get hit in the temple get knocked out. So don't call my posts lame retard.
Actually Joe Gatti brother of the late warrior Arturo Gatti. Said tha Ottke felt like he had something in his hands he was punching that hard.
Ottke stopped Joe Gatt aswell!
That makes no sense, and was a lame post!
Your whole argument is lame. Mundine fought Ottke in 2001 and Kessler in like 04 or 05. he has had no relevence since then on the world class scene except through his mouth. Danny Green was overrated as you can see by his record against world class opposition, and fighting Sam Soliman 3 times counts for nothing as far as being world class.
How many of his opponents has Ottke KTFO'd?- 1 your boyfriend mundine. I just saw your stupid ass comment from earlier that said that 90% of people who get hit in the temple get knocked out. So don't call my posts lame retard.
Danny Green was a legit world champion actually!
belt holder ,not a world champ , big difference
Mundine is a good fighter but needs to fight some better opposition
They should make another supermiddleweight tournament for the likes of Mundine , Bika , Allen Green , etc
A 3 weight world champion, a 21-0 Ring Magazine rated fighter and one of the hardest punchers in the world at the time. Aren't real contenders right......:thinking:
You seem to have alot to say, have you ever stepped in a ring?
Thats what im saying, you need to wake up!!
The man is a paper Champion not a legit World Champ.
Froch is a prospect?
:haha:
Get out this thread you idiot. You know nothing about boxing, go and watch curley purm Wayne Rooney kick a ball round grass!
Not to mention that he talks like he is the best ever and never backs it up in the ring. He fought most of his world class opposition waay back in 01-05. All he's been doing is talking a big game over the last couple of years.
Plus, what Dynamite said.
Mundine got KTFO'd by Ottke and that also doesn't look good on his resume.
That makes no sense, and was a lame post!
All Mundine has to do is beat top class fighters, not Soliman and a former 147lbs Shannan Taylor, Mundine lost to Ottke and Kessler the best he has fought.
His does not get respect because he has not earned any by beating top class fighters, its that simple.
Not to mention that he talks like he is the best ever and never backs it up in the ring. He fought most of his world class opposition waay back in 01-05. All he's been doing is talking a big game over the last couple of years.
Plus, what Dynamite said.
Mundine got KTFO'd by Ottke and that also doesn't look good on his resume.
He means they have to be in the Super 6 tournament to be called top contenders.:rolleyes:
Typical. They just hate to admitt the fact to say Mundine is world class!