Mcclellan was the hardest hitter we have ever seen, his punches were ferocious!
Here is an interview with benn, talking about mcclellan, his power and what happened after the fight.
It was in Louis' own biography and you even say most sources say the same. I see you don't try to deny Salty Gay's abuse either, because those are also true. The point is that McClellan's allegations came from a great story-like book and other people's mouths that could have been talking shit for all I care.
And since you still can't get it through your thick skull I will repeat this again so you can ignore it again for the next 10 pages(Nice excuses btw, mate. "it has little to do with what I said". Moron). I do not care for dumbarse pitbulls like I do for humans. You got that? You need it even more simple? Me, not like Dogs more than humans. Understand?
So stop crying and begging me for slagging treehuggers off for insulting Gman's status now. I do as I please, cunt. You're not gonna decide what I do or won't.
I'm not telling you what to do, all I'm doing is pointing out your obvious hypocrisy.
McClellan allegations came from his former trainer Stan Johnson. Even his son doesn't deny it.
"Deuce was his best. I swear to God his head was this big," Gerald Jr. says as he extends his arms about an inch past his chin and the top of his head. "I remember that was the best dog he had. It was the best fighting dog he had."
You must think i'm your girlfriend/wife or something, because by the sounds of you brushing off the fact that Louis almost killed his wife, I think you don't treat your gal too well, mate.
Louis didn't almost kill anyone. The way you're saying that is as if he had actually caused any serious injury. He was stopped before such a thing could happen.
oh and your little back and forth:
1- Most of my opinions are facts and meant to spite your sensitive arse anyway:luvbed: You get riled up very easily and I don't even use brute force.
I've been looking for a statement like this from you for a while. Do you admit that your only intention is to annoy other people on an internet forum and not actually stay behind you words when someone calls you out on it?
2- I doubt you did any research on something that disproves any of your hundreds of laughable claims.
You know how hot it was in that stadium in Manilla right? And how long and hard they fought right? Then use your brain and see that Frazier and Ali both probably lost a lot of weight and the point is that Gay was not the only exception ever.
boxingbuff wasn't even talking about the Thrilla in Manila, he was talking about the first fight. Robinson losing a ton of weight after the fight was only one bit of proof that I had out of many that he was in fact suffering from serious dehydration and was unable to continue.
3-I actually meant in general. If I piss on the floor instead of the toilet 9 out of 10 times, that gives you the right to say "you never piss in the toilet".
I've admitted that he was a very flawed human being, that it was idiotic of him to go into the Maxim fight without sufficient preparation, that he lacked a great defense, that he avoided a fight with Burley... All I've done is defend him from your accusations of him being a quitter and a coward.
By the way going by your logic Robinson and Louis only "quit" once in their 100+ fight careers which shouldn't be enough to label them a "quitter".
4- No, YOU were the first one to ask me if there are more people. I said yeah probably, not interesting in doing homework to please you. I couldn't care less though, mate. Louis quit. Deal with it.
I said you're the only one I've ever heard accuse Louis of quitting against Schmeling. You said that you've heard people say before that Louis quit.
You are entitled to your opinion but you were trying to push it as fact and this forum is made for discussion anyway. The difference is that whatever I say, I try to back up with solid facts while you don't.
5-Compare Tyson taking his beating and KO like a man to those 2 quitters. When Louis was ko'd against Rocky he was unconcious, but against Schmeling he didn't bother to stand up. Quit. GAY was even worse as he got a way out of the fight against Maxim before even getting the proper spanking. Bottom line, there are no better heart examples from those 2 compared to Tyson against Lewis.
What about Louis being dropped against Walcott, being behind on points and rallying back to knock Walcott out (much like Rocky against Walcott)? Tyson himself said it was a great example of a past prime great putting everything together and coming back to win the fight.
What about Robinson in his late-30's being dragged into physical fights with Fullmer and Basilio, digging deep and coming back to win in the later rounds? He was a near 40 year old man at the time. What about him being told he has one round left before the fight is stopped on a cut against Randy Turpin (much like Marciano against Charles)?
6-The post you quoted has me saying that I said Ali never quit.
You also said that Ali never wanted to quit. I pointed out the Liston fight as an example of Ali wanting to quit.
7- Yes you are making excuses. You can't bare to live with the fact that your lad lost that night and he would have gotten ko'd if he had any balls. He ko'd a zillion fighters yet couldn't receive it himself.
Robinson could take it as well as give. Go ahead and watch some fights of his.
That's not on topic, though, is it?
And 'guys' like you turning every BOXING topic threaded about him into this kind of shitstorm with banal observations that have already been made a million times isn't exactly productive, is it?
The thread subject is "The Gerald McClellan appreciation thread". I was just showing mine, or lack thereof. On a boxing note, he was an overrated fighter as well.
And almost every observation in this forum has been made a million times...
Get ready to be cut down yourself then, you've got plenty coming, I'm sure, if your attitude here is in any way indicative of the way you act offline.
Even fewer will cry for you than for G-Man, I'll wager.
Doubtful, I'm probably the 3rd or 4th most popular person in my office. You could say I'm part of the "in crowd".
This is a boxing thread, 'pal'.
PETA have their own forum.
http://www.peta.org/actioncenter/community.asp
Well then on topic, McClellan was a piece of shit person who I don't fukking appreciate.
This is a boxing thread, 'pal'.
PETA have their own forum.
Cry me a river, baby.
McClellan was a serial meanie, and for that god served him up to the Dark Destroyer on a silver platter.
Okay. :)
So how did you catch me out as Slimey Limey? You seem to be the only one onto my game. Would I really have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky Dynamite Kid, or is it just that obvious?
It was obvious same as Prince ( what ever you were called)
Oh, you know, I din't expect this corny crap from you, AT ALL. I'm totally shocked your stupid ass would fart such a thing.
Piss off, scumbag. Talking about karma, you're the same cunt who talked about hoping the Humanitarian Wladimir Klitschko would get killed in a ring with Haye. Seeing karma rightfully aportioned isn't what gets you off, being a lowly piece of pondlife is.
:bottle::bottle::bottle:
Only pwetty sure? I thought that one was me for definite?
But back on topic, how did you catch me out? I'm dying to know what tipped you off. :)
Well i know it was you but i did not want to say it categorically because i did not want to go through the whole thing with you again because its a waste of time arguing the toss, plus Vit Bangs got the bullet a while back anyway.
Oh, but you made it sound like I was deliberately being mean to you all when I was only having a little fun?
I'm not a bad Man In Black, honest. I'm a friendly Man In Black.
Now I've pwomised not to do it again, will you tell me how you caught me out? What gave me away? :thanks:
you made it sound like I was deliberately being mean
You have said some pretty disgraceful things with both Slimey Limey and Prince (what ever you were called)
Im pretty sure that your were Vit Bangs to, although i dont want to go into debating whether or not you were.
No, D.K., I weally pwomise this time. I will never twoll again. I will be a good boy and not start trouble with my imaginary lad Slimey Limey. I'm just totally curious how you sleuthed what nobody else could sleuth, that's all.
Pwetty pwease?
Your whole existence on this forum is geared around starting little petty arguments so you can sn-igger to yourself behind your computer and say i just got one up on them .......He He He.
Oh, thanks, I'd just PM'd you.
I was hoping for a real answer, though. :)
Here's a deal - if you tell me how I went wrong, I pwomise not to troll Boxing History with my Slimey Limey alt. anymore.
Is that okay with you? :)
If i tell you and you " pwomise not to troll Boxing History with my Slimey Limey" you are still going to troll with another account aren't you ?
No, no, I'm serious. I already owned up, remember?
I just want to know how you caught me out. LOL! Do tell.
Why would i tell you so you can go create another one and spoil the good civil Boxing chat people enjoy in the history section. You would probably enjoy it more yourself if you weren't only interested in trolling.
Ok, ok, you got me! I 'fess up! :$
Just answer me one thing so I don't get caught out so easy next time,
why is it obvious?
The fact that you are asking me why is part of the reason you will always get found out.
I'm bringing it up because what he MIGHT have done is irrelevant. Who gives a shit about a couple of dead Dogs that lived decades ago? If he was responsible for the deaths of human beings, instead of some Pitbulls, then yes I wouldn't complain if people ripped on him now. Get this through your thick skull for once, or do you want me to repeat this to you for another 10 pages to make you quit again in the end?
And the only thing you can take and dish out is a strapon from one of your Joe Louis loving boyfriends, mate.
And you call Joe Louis hitting his wife, choking her unconcious and only stopping his rage because somebody was around "losing your cool"?
It doesn't surprise me that you love Doggies more. Do you hate women, girlmachine? If I lose my cool and kill my wife today, will you just say "I lost my cool" and claim dogfighting is worse?
More nonsense from you again that has little to do with what I said.
You are over-dramatizing what Louis did much like many do what McClellan did. By all accounts Louis was about to choke her until being stopped. He never did such a thing again.
That's far from killing your wife.
As I said, if you can't take people criticizing your favorite fighter's personal issues, don't do the same thing with Louis and Robinson.
And yes you DID run away, mate. If you didn't want to respond anymore you would have atleast said something along the lines of "waaa waaa I don't feel like going through this with you anymore waa waa". But nope, all of a sudden you dissapeared for days and decided to quit like a bitch, just like your idols bumbeater and Gay:luvbed:
You didn't offer anything to respond to. You simply explained why you felt the way you did and why you brought up Louis and Robinson quitting.
You didn't try to argue against anything I said.
And as far as your pathetic attempts at the bottom
1-You can't refute an opinion, moron.
2-I said many boxers fight dehydrated, and some also lost a lot of weight. Someone mentioned Frazier against Ali, and you quickly shut your trap there.
3-I DRAGGED it out of you, mate. That only proves me right about you never wanting to admit his flaws because of your bias.
4-That was irrelevant to me, and I didn't TRY to back it up or ever claim to.
5-I said Tyson showed more heart in the Lewis fight than Louis' fight against Schmeling, and Gay's against Maxim. Which is true. Because those 2 quit.
6-He didn't want to quit in the Frazier fight, which is what it was about at first. And the fact is that ALi never quit. Your lads did.
7-Whenever we're talking about Gay vs Maxim you won't give Maxim credit. you will spend your time making excuses for Gay. Once again, I have to drag it out of you.
1. You can refute a baseless, unfounded opinion that you were trying to push as a fact.
2. I asked boxingbuff to prove what he said about Frazier losing weight. He didn't and I've never found anything of the sort from anywhere else.
Either way he lost less weight against Ali than Robinson did against Maxim, and Frazier weighs 50 more pounds than Robinson did.
He also didn't suffer from any symptoms of severe dehydration unlike Robinson.
3. I brought up previously made posts about Robinson before you even started posting on these forums again, thus refuting what you said about me being unable to admit flaws about Robinson.
4. You said many people other than you feel Louis quit against Schmeling and couldn't back it up. How was it irrelevant?
5.
"The fact that he may have quit in other fights does not cover up the fact that he showed more balls that night than any Salty Gay fighters you look up to."
6.
"Ali never wanted to quit, and was not a quitter, and never actually quit. That's all a bunch of nonsense from his dislikers. You have a lot of nerve making these claims while you sport an avatar with a cowardly quitter like that."
I brought up him wanting to quit against Sonny Liston (the first time).
7. I'm not making excuses for Ray, I'm stating facts. I've also said that Robinson shouldn't be excused for not being well-prepared enough against Maxim, all I'm saying is that he didn't quit.
Here's what Mr. Joey Maxim himself had to say about the bout:
"The heat favoured me tonight", he said. "I would be a real dummy not to know he was way ahead."
Maxim added: "I thought he was giving me the 'dead man' act in the 13th. I was not sure at all that he was all in although I noticed him starting to soften up in the 11th round."
Asked why he had not throw more punches at the dancing, jabbing Robinson, Maxim replied simply: "I just couldn't get at him."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7icRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GcQDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1686,6316272&dq=maxim+robinson
So lad, are you ready to go for another 15 pages of flaming?:luvbed: You should know by now that you can't beat me unless you try to get me banned like a coward.
The only way you'll get banned is if you go over the line, in which case you only have yourself to blame. I've never reported anybody and I don't see any reason in even trying to get you banned because all you've done is use rather "colourful" language so far. That's no problem because a lot of people on these forums do.