Who have you lost respect for more, Pavlik or Haye?

Self-explanatory. Is it "The Ghost"'s vanishing act whenever Abraham's name came up or his bashing of Showtime's "Super Six" tournament? Or perhaps David Haye when he talked so much trash and he didn't deliver when it came to either Klitschko (regardless of however boring you or I might think they are)? For me, it would have been dead even, until Kelly started to bash the Super Six tourney. That broke the tie. I have not lost respect for either boxer. Sturm should've fought his last couple fights in the US to set up sturm/pavlik. Also I don't believe pavlik is in top form right now. Haye isn't fighting the K-sisters for free.

Looks like Haye is a full length away from Pavlik to win the "Biggest Disappointment" crown of the two. I, for one, had become a fan of Haye because he brought excitement to the heavyweight division, someone that has been lacking in that weight class for a long time. I still give the edge to Kelly Pavlik, though, for reasons already stated.

i wont be surprised if youre one of those people who believed that floyd had a rib injury :lol1: well have a think about it, why would haye pull out of the fight for any other reason than injury. all these people who think he "bitched out" id like to see your evidence of this. how did haye get passed the independent tests that prove hes injured?id really love to know that!!! because if he wasnt, he would be paying alot of money for breach of contract.

he had no right to complain with the paper work,there are HW fighters out there who dream and deserve more than haye to fight the klitchko brothers,haye didnt even deserve to get a shot.What has he done to earn a fight with the legendary klitschkos? He dissrespected the brothers big time when it was time to fight he bitched out,simple as that! ok, well how do you earn a shot then? isnt being an undisputed champ enough?espescially when the heavyweight division is full of bums. so i take it pac didnt deserve a shot at hatton seen as tho he had done nothing at light welterweight? haye got injured, theres a difference to injured and biitched out. and the klits are in no way shape or form legendary.

i dont get all this haye bashing! he signed to fight wlad, for next to no purse, sadly got injured i wont be surprised if youre one of those people who believed that floyd had a rib injury :lol1:

Haye, I don't think you should call someone out for a fight in the manner he did then bail out. not once but twice

david haye by far. he talked his way into 2 Klit fights. he actually had me excited about the HWs again then he back out of both fights.

Haye, I don't think you should call someone out for a fight in the manner he did then bail out.

Pavlik got his boxing soul taken by the best, Haye really has no reason to not fight.

isnt the pavlik/williams fight on?? wuts the hate on pavlik for?

i dont get all this haye bashing! he signed to fight wlad, for next to no purse, sadly got injured. wlad decided not to wait the extra few weeks. he never signed to fight vitali, that was just paper talk. hes a former undisputed cruiserweight world champ stepping up in weight. whats the big deal! the klitdicks will get whats coming to them.

voted haye. hes a joke :lol1:

No, I won't. Like anyone who enjoys boxing, I'll go nuts if he does the impossible. But even in doing that, he'll still have a way to go in order to prove himself worthy at HW - stopping the useless giant will say something, but he'll have to beat the real champs in the end. If he were to soundly defeat either Klitschko, or both, then I'd hold him in high regard. Until he does any of the above, even with his CW credentials behind him, I can't help but label him a fraud. Until he does any of the above, or fails to do so, the jury is still out. You're implicitly admitting, that when you say that if he KOs Valuev, you'll no longer consider him one. If he can theoretically change your mind about that as soon as November this year, then by definition, the jury is still out, until November. I do agree though that even if he does KO Valuev, he won't then be able to rest on his laurels, he'll have to KO Ruiz after that, and then go after one of the Klits. But it's still far too early to definitively call him a fraud. He's lost a lot of standing in the last couple of months, but he can still get it back. November is the crunch for him. Similarly, the Williams fight, if it can still be saved, is the crunch for Pavlik.

Will you still say that if he KOs Valuev? No, I won't. Like anyone who enjoys boxing, I'll go nuts if he does the impossible. But even in doing that, he'll still have a way to go in order to prove himself worthy at HW - stopping the useless giant will say something, but he'll have to beat the real champs in the end. If he were to soundly defeat either Klitschko, or both, then I'd hold him in high regard. Until he does any of the above, even with his CW credentials behind him, I can't help but label him a fraud.

I voted for Pavlik, he was one of my fave fighters, now I hope he loses to Williams. He ducked Abraham, the only fight in his division worth making and keeps repeatedly pulling out of the Williams fight. Then, he re-signs with Top Rank, showing that he likes the way they are managing his career and lining him up to fight guys like Sergio Mora. Haye pulled out of the fight for a reason at least, one his back was hurt, and two he was unhappy with all the concessions he would have to make (i.e. rematching the Klitschkos twice). He probably figured if he fought Valuev and won the world title he'd have a better bargaining chip. I think it was stupid for him to pull out because now the fight will probably never happen between him and the Klitschkos but at least he didn't blatantly duck, because the Klitschkos aren't moving up in weight like Abraham.

Hypejob Haye wore ridiculous severed head t-shirts and talked shit about the Klitschkos for 18 months and then he BITCHES OUT TWICE. Haye is the biggest coward in boxing, he's a fukking fraud and a disgrace. agree with this 100%. Pavlik may be accused of being classless at times but he never showed the personal disrespect and arrogance Haye has shown, before backing out of the fight with the same opponent he disrespected, along with the man's brother.

Haye. At least Pavlik has fought 4 times since the start of 2008 - Haye only twice, and hardly any rounds. He's certainly going the right way to establishing himself as one of boxing's biggest frauds. :no: Will you still say that if he KOs Valuev?

Haye. At least Pavlik has fought 4 times since the start of 2008 - Haye only twice, and hardly any rounds. He's certainly going the right way to establishing himself as one of boxing's biggest frauds. :no:

Both, but Haye more so. Dude talks too much shit without backin it up. At least he's lined up to fight Valuev for a title - Pavlik isn't lined up to fight anyone.

Pavlik. I never had respect for Haye and never will cause he is a disgrace.