Who would be the best ever IF

ali,robinson,leonard recent times-mayweather,hopkins

john ruiz :)

yeah i get that but i thought everyone had the same speed power and such Yes I probably didn't describe it well enough in the thread. Maybe it would be more correct if I said: "assume everyone has the same natural ability" What they do with their ability can still differ though. If you have 2 fighters with the same stamina for example. The one who goes apeshit from the start will obviously gass out while the other one will still be fresh. There are knockoutpunchers who get their power from technique (McClellan) and fighters who get it from physical ability (Foreman) You can see that by how McClellan puts his body in punches. Foreman is more of an arm puncher.

So basically, who's the most skilled boxer? Read the beginning post. I wrote almost the exact same sentance. But the problem is many people will see reflexes as skill. That's why I described it the way I did.

How can floyd and Paulie be faster if everyone has the same speed? Because they rotate their body less. When I box, I too can choose to focus on either power (rotating my body) and speed. When I focus on speed, I'll be faster than when I focus on power, even though my physical ability stays the same.

So basically, who's the most skilled boxer?

Sugar Ray Leonard?

nikolay valuev Well, shorter fighters won't have much reason to stay away from Valuev's punches when they have the same power etc... I don't think Valuev is such an infighter so fighters like Holyfield could just get in there and STAY there, opposed to having to get out every time. Boxing skill + ring IQ > reach

SRR and ALI! Ali came to my mind aswell. In his prime he used his sense of range as a defensive tool rather than speed and reflexes. Later on he relied more on his chin though. He was also great at preserving energy. I'm not sure SRR would have been succesful though. He had a lack of defence and almost always relied on his chin and his combination of speed and power. He did rotate his body well, but he did it with great speed aswell. That's only possible with great physical ability.

SRR and ALI!

Let's go even further. Who would be the best ever if every fighter was exactly the same? /Worst thread I have ever seen. Fail. If you're not interested in pure boxing skill and ring IQ, you're not a true boxing fan.

Even though we assume they all have the same power. I think McClellan would hit by far the hardest cause he always rotated his body to the fullest. Fighters who don't put their body much into it like Floyd and Malignaggi would still be faster than others. Obviously Pernell's defence wouldn't work out opposed to B-hop's. Ali's and Tszyu's ring IQ and sense of range (in-and-out-movement) would help them alot. Volume punchers like Calzaghe would gass out opposed to fighters like Ray Leonard who spread their energy output. But who would generally be the best?

Let's go even further. Who would be the best ever if every fighter was exactly the same? /Worst thread I have ever seen.