You never know what the future holds for some people. It doesn't matter where you start, I guess, it matters where you end up.
Flashback, September 30th of 1995: I was down in Pensacola for Roy's 168 pound title defense against Tony "The Postman'" Thornton and afterwards they had a big post fight party at the mansion downtown Lil' Roy had bought and turned into his gym. There were a lot of people there. Men, woman and children. Fans, boxers, promoters. Everyone. They had food and music. It was very warm out that night and people were all over the place, inside and out.
When I was leaving for the night I noticed an amateur kid out in the parking lot that I knew and had become friendly with from seeing him at different amateur tournaments that I attended with kids I train. We talked out in the street while Roy Jones was only a few feet away in the parking lot enjoying his time as the undefeated, unchallenged super middleweight world champion. This amateur was telling me how he was in Pensacola talking to Roy and his promotional outfit, Square Ring, about maybe signing with them after he went pro one day. Ultimately the Pensacola team, as several others did, decided against signing him for a variety of reasons but one major one was his advanced age. He was already 26 years old at the time and still had at least another year left in his amateur career. Meaning, theoretically, that once he turned pro and made his way up the ranks he would very likely already be in his thirties by that point.
Big risk to take with a fighter when there are so many solid twenty two years olds looking to climb the same ladder. So based on his dealings with Roy's promotional group down in Florida back in 1995 it would appear that the timing just wasn't on his side.
The kid stayed with it, though.
His name was Antonio Tarver.
This is 1000000 pct. true and is exactly what I was trying to get across...and its kind of silly after a while, someone coming along trying to be clever, saying, "oh, Roy fought civil service workers" like they are the first ones to use the term, like they think they really made some sort of astute observation. Not even realizing that capablities of the men they speak of. Its like an epidemic in certain cases, like when people parrot something they heard somewhere and after a while so many people blindly do it that it becomes common. I remember when some comedian said "Michael Jackson looked like a white woman"... and after a while you'd hear your friend at a party say the same exact thing when one of Michael's songs came on the radio, trying to insinuate that he just made up this clever new observation of Michael out of thin air...LOL Sorry, buddy, the jokes been repeated 500 times already today by 500 other guys who thought they weere clever, too
Also....for the record, some of Roys opponents have scored some tremendous wins in fights vs. other top fighters...
Most of Roy critics just repeat things they hear, they dont even know what theyre talking about...
This is 1000000 pct. true and is exactly what I was trying to get across...and its kind of silly after a while, someone coming along trying to be clever, saying, "oh, Roy fought civil service workers" like they are the first ones to use the term, like they think they really made some sort of astute observation. Not even realizing that capablities of the men they speak of. Its like an epidemic in certain cases, like when people parrot something they heard somewhere and after a while so many people blindly do it that it becomes common. I remember when some comedian said "Michael Jackson looked like a white woman"... and after a while you'd hear your friend at a party say the same exact thing when one of Michael's songs came on the radio, trying to insinuate that he just made up this clever new observation of Michael out of thin air...LOL Sorry, buddy, the jokes been repeated 500 times already today by 500 other guys who thought they weere clever, too
Made a career out of beating stiffs? See, for me, I have more respect for professional fighters than most...I know that just because a guy looks bad against Roy Jones in his prime it doesnt mean he is a BAD fighter...I know also that just because a guy isnt famous or undefeated it doesnt mean he is a bad fighter, either...in most cases I tend to look at guys Roy beat easily and see how they fared against other top class fighters...you would see that in many cases they fared extremely well....
Most of Roy critics just repeat things they hear, they dont even know what theyre talking about... I dont even pay any attention to them anymore... it doesnt matter what they think or say... what Roy has done in his career is set in stone and people will talk about him and compare with previous and future champions for years to come.
Made a career out of beating stiffs? See, for me, I have more respect for professional fighters than most...I know that just because a guy looks bad against Roy Jones in his prime it doesnt mean he is a BAD fighter...I know also that just because a guy isnt famous or undefeated it doesnt mean he is a bad fighter, either...in most cases I tend to look at guys Roy beat easily and see how they fared against other top class fighters...you would see that in many cases they fared extremely well....
nice post,and it would be true for foes ,of a lot of other great fighters.:boxing:
Great story
I wonder are they pretty cool outside of boxing. I know Tarver walked Jones out a couple times in the past. I also believed they sparred together before
I didn't know that.. Also great story Ice
Made a career out of beating stiffs? See, for me, I have more respect for professional fighters than most...I know that just because a guy looks bad against Roy Jones in his prime it doesnt mean he is a BAD fighter...I know also that just because a guy isnt famous or undefeated it doesnt mean he is a bad fighter, either...in most cases I tend to look at guys Roy beat easily and see how they fared against other top class fighters...you would see that in many cases they fared extremely well....
Not bad, man. Not bad at all.
Yeah, but I also picked Baldomir to beat Mayweather cause I thought he had the mojo going...come and go Ice. :) Agree with you on Thornton. He wasn't a bad fighter; just came in a sea of fairly mediocre challenges Jones took between Toney and McCallum. The public servant critique wouldn't have lasted as it did without Ricky Frazier; that was the one that sealed the myth.
Man, come on, that's such a weak criticism of Roy... repeated by fans and critics for years now, almost word for word, nothing original about it, just parroted nonsense. The "mailman" he defeated was Tony Thornton, a very solid super middleweight who beat Merqui Sosa and gave a prime James Toney a good 12 round tussle, a former USBA champion and two time world title challenger...the fact that he held a job did nothing to take away from his credibility as a very tough and rugged professional fighter...Thornton wasnt a "real" fighter because he worked a job?
Repeated because it's truth. Thornton was an OK fighter but not world class. Roy made a career out of beating up stiffs. That is fact.
Funny but I cut his profile piece out of SI in 96, handed it to my Pops, and said, "Watch...this is Roy's Joe Frazier."
True story.
Not bad, man. Not bad at all.
On that night, in those moments...no one on this earth
Funny but I cut his profile piece out of SI in 96, handed it to my Pops, and said, "Watch...this is Roy's Joe Frazier."
True story.
And maybe if Roy would have spent more time fighting real fighters instead of mailmen and other guys that had no chance whatsoever to beat him, he would have been able to handle Tarver differently.
Man, come on, that's such a weak criticism of Roy... repeated by fans and critics for years now, almost word for word, nothing original about it, just parroted nonsense. The "mailman" he defeated was Tony Thornton, a very solid super middleweight who beat Merqui Sosa and gave a prime James Toney a good 12 round tussle, a former USBA champion and two time world title challenger...the fact that he held a job did nothing to take away from his credibility as a very tough and rugged professional fighter...Thornton wasnt a "real" fighter because he worked a job?
And maybe if Roy would have spent more time fighting real fighters instead of mailmen and other guys that had no chance whatsoever to beat him, he would have been able to handle Tarver differently.
Great story
I wonder are they pretty cool outside of boxing. I know Tarver walked Jones out a couple times in the past. I also believed they sparred together before