Is Mayweather troubled by southpaws?

Floyd is an intelligent fighter. If they ever meet, Manny's plan will be to start fast with 'in and out' darting tactics and combination strikes from various angles. I'm starting to think he may even win the first six rounds, then start to slow down as Floyd catches him with counters. It'll be great if they both show up at 100%.

again semantics... but neither guys are all time great southpaws A fighter can only fight who is around at their time, unless Floyd has a time machine he can not go and fight any of those lefties because none of them really existed at 140 or 147 at the time he fought there, so in the real world that existed Floyd beat two of the top lefties around. First-rate, you can spout all the meaningless stuff about them not being great at an all-time level but during the early part of this decade they were amongst the best southpaws in the sport.

Straight up to me they are first rate lefties and nothing you have said has changed my mind even a little. In an all-time sence sure those guys do not really stack up as great, but in the world of boxing that existed they were amongst the best lefties around the weights Floyd was fighting to me that is first rate. again semantics... but neither guys are all time great southpaws

I wouldn't agree with that argument, although Manny is a better finisher then either Judah or Corley. I would not call him the best finisher in the sport though to me that would be over doing it a shade. who else then?...shane perhaps?

bottomline corley and judah are not top 20 all time southpaws. doesn't matter, corley is not even in the top 50 all time southpaws. doesn't mattter, judah is a born loser. talented, but born to lose. I mean C'MON he lost to baldomir. like i said, semantics. but neither are great southpaws, merely good southpaws. i never said corley gave floyd A LOT of problems. but he did give floyd problems. he did, but floyd is a great boxer that is why he overcame them. Straight up to me they are first rate lefties and nothing you have said has changed my mind even a little. In an all-time sence sure those guys do not really stack up as great, but in the world of boxing that existed they were amongst the best lefties around the weights Floyd was fighting to me that is first rate.

yea i meant floyd...but both now that u mentioned cotto...just realized that both opponents both troubled floyd n cotto...which can make an argument of how manny can finish a hurt or stunned opponents better than anyone in the biz right now I wouldn't agree with that argument, although Manny is a better finisher then either Judah or Corley. I would not call him the best finisher in the sport though to me that would be over doing it a shade.

Well I would never say that they were, but to me that is not a requirement to be called first rate just being world class is enough. bottomline corley and judah are not top 20 all time southpaws. Who was a better southpaw then Corley at 140 at that time. doesn't matter, corley is not even in the top 50 all time southpaws. Who was a better southpaw then Judah at 147 at the time of that fight. doesn't mattter, judah is a born loser. talented, but born to lose. I mean C'MON he lost to baldomir. It really is not that big of a deal though because we obviously look at the term "first rate" differently. like i said, semantics. but neither are great southpaws, merely good southpaws. I would not say Corley gave Floyd a lot of problem he caught Floyd once or twice and Floyd otherwise beat the shit out of him. i never said corley gave floyd A LOT of problems. but he did give floyd problems. Judah did give Floyd problems though. he did, but floyd is a great boxer that is why he overcame them.

I dont think he has trouble with southpaws, PBF doesnt really get going until the later rounds, Corley and Judah are fast starters..And Judah was to fast for PBF in the first 5 rounds, but once PBF feeled them out it was over he picked both of them apart, plus he has a lighting quick straight right which is the perfect weapon againts any southpaw. again this is semantics. floyd did not simply steamroll either from round 1 to 12. that means they gave floyd problems. but all you need to know is that floyd still beat them.

ok so you are arguing semantics... bottomline, corley and judah are not top 20 all time southpaws. bottomline, corley and judah gave floyd problems, but floyd overcame them. Well I would never say that they were, but to me that is not a requirement to be called first rate just being world class is enough. Who was a better southpaw then Corley at 140 at that time. Who was a better southpaw then Judah at 147 at the time of that fight. It really is not that big of a deal though because we obviously look at the term "first rate" differently. I would not say Corley gave Floyd a lot of problem he caught Floyd once or twice and Floyd otherwise beat the shit out of him. Judah did give Floyd problems though.

corley and judah never fought pac... u must mean pbf and/or cotto. yea i meant floyd...but both now that u mentioned cotto...just realized that both opponents both troubled floyd n cotto...which can make an argument of how manny can finish a hurt or stunned opponents better than anyone in the biz right now

I dont think he has trouble with southpaws, PBF doesnt really get going until the later rounds, Corley and Judah are fast starters..And Judah was to fast for PBF in the first 5 rounds, but once PBF feeled them out it was over he picked both of them apart, plus he has a lighting quick straight right which is the perfect weapon againts any southpaw.

To me first rate is just world class, Corley when he fought Floyd had only lost to Judah and while that fight was very ugly it was pretty close. Judah when he fought Floyd looked to be one of the best versions of Zab to ever set foot in a boxing ring. To me those are both first rate lefties those guys however are not Sweet Pea nor even Joe Calzaghe not even close, but still those guys were probably the top southpaw in each division when Floyd faced them. So to me that is first rate, but whatever we will not agree on this I guess. I would not really call it struggle, to me that is to strong of a word. There are issues that come with facing southpaws, whether a fighter strugges with them is another matter and to me Floyd only really struggled with Judah and that was only for a third of the fight. ok so you are arguing semantics... bottomline, corley and judah are not top 20 all time southpaws. bottomline, corley and judah gave floyd problems, but floyd overcame them.

How can you say Hopkins has struggles against them when only one out of 12 did? because I go by facts. if hops had trouble with 0/12 southpaws then I would agree with you.

corley and judah are world class, they wouldn't be if they didn't grab titles. but they are not first rate. these guys find ways to lose not win. it's not some crazy standard. simply put, judah and corley are not and will never be considered the best southpaws of there generation, much less all of boxing history. judah and corley lose against the best fighters they've evered faced. that's not shameful, but it just tells you they are not first rate southpaws. 10+ years from now, no one will be talking about judah or corley. they are not first rate. in other words: everybody struggles against southpaws. To me first rate is just world class, Corley when he fought Floyd had only lost to Judah and while that fight was very ugly it was pretty close. Judah when he fought Floyd looked to be one of the best versions of Zab to ever set foot in a boxing ring. To me those are both first rate lefties those guys however are not Sweet Pea nor even Joe Calzaghe not even close, but still those guys were probably the top southpaw in each division when Floyd faced them. So to me that is first rate, but whatever we will not agree on this I guess. I would not really call it struggle, to me that is to strong of a word. There are issues that come with facing southpaws, whether a fighter strugges with them is another matter and to me Floyd only really struggled with Judah and that was only for a third of the fight.

i ain't putting doubt on bhop's greatness, I'm just saying everyone struggles against southpaws. How can you say Hopkins has struggles against them when only one out of 12 did?

corley and judah had pac stunned on the ropes... cuz I mean, if they can do it.. corley and judah never fought pac... u must mean pbf and/or cotto.

everyone would or did have problems with calzaghe...and thats 1 out of 12 is it?..the southpaws B-Hop dominated.. and B-Hop has mentioned in countless interviews that he prefers fighting southpaws, its his specialty.. i ain't putting doubt on bhop's greatness, I'm just saying everyone struggles against southpaws. First of all, you don't need to be Sweet Pea to be a first rate left handed fighter and to me both Corley and Judah were world class lefties so to me that is first rate. corley and judah are world class, they wouldn't be if they didn't grab titles. but they are not first rate. these guys find ways to lose not win. If you want to have some crazy standard go ahead, but to me that is not really dealing in reality. it's not some crazy standard. simply put, judah and corley are not and will never be considered the best southpaws of there generation, much less all of boxing history. judah and corley lose against the best fighters they've evered faced. that's not shameful, but it just tells you they are not first rate southpaws. 10+ years from now, no one will be talking about judah or corley. they are not first rate. Floyd has some issues with lefties more so then orthodox fighters anyways, but I think that Floyd has gained valuable experiance against lefties so he should be able to do better against them. I also think the issue is kind of overblown but yea Floyd does have some issues with lefties but to me they don't seem that crucial. in other words: everybody struggles against southpaws.

corley and judah had pac stunned on the ropes... cuz I mean, if they can do it..

That HAS to be the fight my friend told me about. You know I have Floyd's career collection right here and I've never watched his early fights but I was told he had serious trouble with one around the start of his career. I'm about to start digging. I'm not sure Pacquiao will be his Antonio Tarver, however. No one else I could think of... Judah's beating PBF for 5 rds also.

He seems to be more aggressive (therefore, hittable) against southpaws. The shot that Corley landed that stunned PBF in round 4 came at a strange angle. Sort of an overhand right that landed with an unusual part of the glove, then Corley followed up with a straight left. Judah landed with the counter left uppercut and straight left in the early going, then again Judah does that against just about everyone. Many orthodox fighters have trouble with southpaws. One problem is that your right glove is usually attached to the right side of your chin to fend off left hooks from orthodox fighters. Against lefties, the angle on the left hand is different, and sometimes goes through the guard. Obviously you see Pacquiao do this quite a bit. On the other hand, jabs are often hard to land against lefties (although Morales landed it consistently against Pacquiao the first time around) and left hooks and straight right hands are vital. Mayweather has perhaps the most effective straight right hand in the sport, and his left hook is effective too. Actually, Mayweather has just about every punch in the book. Yeah I think it is speed that troubles Floyd more than anything, but like Cotto, he has a way of neutralizing that speed once he adapts. I'm not a fan of Floyd because he's a jerk, but he can set up traps like no other. It is those little things he does in there that makes his opponents lose their head. It is almost like once in a while he will give his opponent something, then take it away. Sometimes he will give nothing at all, leaving his opponent frustrated. His only weakness is inactivity in there which could leave him vulnerable to getting out pointed. Other than that, he has to be the most frustrating opponent ever.