Roach should demand that there be a limit on how much Cotto can weigh on fight night.

I think this is more important than the 145lbs catchweight. Miguel weighed in at 146 in his last fight, one more pound is nothing. More significant is the amount of weight he'll put on by the time he enters the ring. I remember one of the sanctioning bodies doing this in the past; only allowing a fighter to gain a certain percentage of the weigh-in weight. It should be implemented in the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight. Hey, why not? WBC is making a new belt for pacquiao, why not do that. While we are at it, make sure the judges are all filipinos, cotto not be allowed to use cutman, etc, etc

heavyweights are always fighting guys 20-100 lbs above. the pound for pound champion should have the balls to face someone 20 lbs above.

true you have a point.. but pacquiao did the same thing when he fought at 130 and lower.. he would weigh in at 130, and fight night he would weigh 147.. Thank you!!! Now that Paq is the smaller man its not allowed, fawk Manny and all his bullshit.

fights should be fight-night weigh in. if fighters are too weak for the weight class then move up. i'm tired of seeing fighters like cotto, clottey, margarito, dlh, vargas, etc when they would come in at 156-165 on fight night. its not a damn welterweight fight if ur fighting at middleweight division weight! true you have a point.. but pacquiao did the same thing when he fought at 130 and lower.. he would weigh in at 130, and fight night he would weigh 147..

Wow that reminds me of all the bitching from Cazares fans coz he was held to 10 pds until next day 9am, and he was a 108 fighter! Your talking about a WW and fight weight clause? blah blah, you ready to pay me that 100K bonus when Manny lays you boy out???

That's what I'm saying. I think it may have been better to make the fight at the 147lbs limit, so there'd be no bitching about the catchweight, but put a limit on how much weight the fighters can gain by the night of the fight. That's a fair proposal. Wow that reminds me of all the bitching from Cazares fans coz he was held to 10 pds until next day 9am, and he was a 108 fighter! Your talking about a WW and fight weight clause?

Let me forward this thread to Atty. Gacal to make sure Team Pacquiao knows about it. I'll inform you as soon as we get a response from Atty. Gacal. What a fuking retard, this loser actually thinks we believe he's a Pac team insider. What you really are is a big dumb nuthugger.

agreed. I think they should fight for the title at 147 and cotto shouldn't go over 154 on fight night. i love boxing but i can't stand all the politics involved in the sport. i wish they would just shut up and fight but since it's not gonna happen I think this idea is fair. Top 5 favorites 1. Israel Vazquez 2. Timothy Bradley 3. Juan Manuel Marquez 4. Manny Pacquiao 5. Rafael Marquez That's what I'm saying. I think it may have been better to make the fight at the 147lbs limit, so there'd be no bitching about the catchweight, but put a limit on how much weight the fighters can gain by the night of the fight. That's a fair proposal.

agreed. I think they should fight for the title at 147 and cotto shouldn't go over 154 on fight night. i love boxing but i can't stand all the politics involved in the sport. i wish they would just shut up and fight but since it's not gonna happen I think this idea is fair. Top 5 favorites 1. Israel Vazquez 2. Timothy Bradley 3. Juan Manuel Marquez 4. Manny Pacquiao 5. Rafael Marquez

if you care so much about people getting neurological damage, then go watch passive sports. chess or poker might be good ones for you Perrito Don't even joke about this shit, we had two young fighters die from damage they sustained in the ring last month.

I think this is more important than the 145lbs catchweight. Miguel weighed in at 146 in his last fight, one more pound is nothing. More significant is the amount of weight he'll put on by the time he enters the ring. I remember one of the sanctioning bodies doing this in the past; only allowing a fighter to gain a certain percentage of the weigh-in weight. It should be implemented in the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight. So Cotto can be dehydrated and weight drained?

DrewWoodside brought this up in a previous thread. You all should research... Here's an article for you dummies... I highlighted the significant parts since you all are probably too inept to read the entire thing. Wednesday, April 05, 2006 Down with the Count: Do Weigh-In Procedures Actually Endanger Boxer Safety It goes without saying that boxing is a dangerous sport. In 1997, Congress enacted the Professional Boxing Safety Act, 15 USC §6301 et seq., which mandates physical examinations of boxers before competition, ambulances on-site and certification from a medical doctor that the boxer is physically able to compete. State boxing commissions have much more detailed rules regarding boxing competitions, including detailed weigh in procedures. If fighters do not meet their weight, the commission requires corrective action to be taken and may prohibit the fight from taking place if the weight disparity is too great. See Nev. Admin. Code §467.476(2), §467.522. Nevada also limits fighters on losing additional weight after weigh-in. Nev. Admin. Code. §467.476(3). In 2000, the Boxing Task Force of the National Association of Attorneys General recommended that commissions require two separate weigh-ins to occur seven days and eight hours before the fight. Additionally, the Task Force recommends the commission limit the amount of weight a fighter can lose in the interim. While the Boxing Commissions have regulated on the basis of losing weight surrounding weigh-ins, real dangers come from boxers who meet their contract weight at the weigh-in, but then gain weight prior to the bout.As noted by L. Jon Wertheim in last week’s Sports Illustrated (When a fighter packs on 20 pounds after the weigh-in, two people can get hurt, Sports Illustrated, April 3, 2006), as a follow-up to a story from the March 27, 2000 issue by Hoffer, Lidz, and Llosa (Inside Boxing), it is common practice for boxers to dehydrate themselves prior to weigh-ins, and then put the weight back on after weigh-in by rehydrating thru a variety of methods as simple as drinking water and as complex as blood transfusions and IV injections. When one boxer uses this technique and the other does not, then boxing matches can take place with weight differences at levels that state commissions have deemed otherwise dangerous and prohibited. In a February 2000 junior-welterweight bout (one of six bouts before a fight between de la Hoya and Derrell Cooley at Madison Square Garden), Joey Gamache and Arturo Gatti each met their 141 pound weight requirement eight hours before their fight. Thereafter, Gatti, using a rehydration strategy, ballooned to 160 pounds. Gamache did not use this strategy and fought at 145 pounds. HBO weighed both boxers prior to their fight, but the results were immaterial according to the governing rules. The fight was stopped after lasting only 20 seconds into the second round. Gamache was allegedly left with severe and permanent neurological injuries that ended his boxing career. Gamache initially filed suit against Gatti and New Jersey Sports Productions, Inc. with a demand of $10 million, which was voluntarily dismissed by the Plaintiff. On February 26, 2006, the matter was refilled in the Southern District of New York (06 CV 1338) before Judge Laura Taylor Swain (check PACER for a copy). The suit alleges that Gatti and New Jersey Sports Productions, Inc. breached the contract for the fight as Gatti “failed to satisfy the maximum weight limit requirement set forth in the contract,” and as a result Gamache lost the fight, was hospitalized for two days, and has ongoing pain and suffering. The complaint also includes a loss of consortium claim by Sissy Gamache, Joey’s wife. State Commissions have allegedly given this issue a priority in their July meeting, so what should be done? Should the Commissions adopt standards to address the concern of weight gain, as opposed to weight loss, prior to competition? Should boxers be prohibited from using these techniques? Should medical examinations be tailored to address hydration issues? The simple solution would seem to require fighters to meet a contract weight moments before their fight, but this has been abandoned due to rapid dehydration techniques that would leave fighters dangerously dehydrated prior to a bout. Hat tip: to uber law clerk, Jim Ryan, for his help researching this. Let me forward this thread to Atty. Gacal to make sure Team Pacquiao knows about it. I'll inform you as soon as we get a response from Atty. Gacal.

i think thats too much bro yep, first the 65-35 split, then the catchwieght, now the title, i think its enough. Roach should also demand that Cotto can not pluck his eye brows either. :lol1: the fight would be canceld loll

DrewWoodside brought this up in a previous thread. You all should research... Here's an article for you dummies... I highlighted the significant parts since you all are probably too inept to read the entire thing. Wednesday, April 05, 2006 Down with the Count: Do Weigh-In Procedures Actually Endanger Boxer Safety It goes without saying that boxing is a dangerous sport. In 1997, Congress enacted the Professional Boxing Safety Act, 15 USC §6301 et seq., which mandates physical examinations of boxers before competition, ambulances on-site and certification from a medical doctor that the boxer is physically able to compete. State boxing commissions have much more detailed rules regarding boxing competitions, including detailed weigh in procedures. If fighters do not meet their weight, the commission requires corrective action to be taken and may prohibit the fight from taking place if the weight disparity is too great. See Nev. Admin. Code §467.476(2), §467.522. Nevada also limits fighters on losing additional weight after weigh-in. Nev. Admin. Code. §467.476(3). In 2000, the Boxing Task Force of the National Association of Attorneys General recommended that commissions require two separate weigh-ins to occur seven days and eight hours before the fight. Additionally, the Task Force recommends the commission limit the amount of weight a fighter can lose in the interim. While the Boxing Commissions have regulated on the basis of losing weight surrounding weigh-ins, real dangers come from boxers who meet their contract weight at the weigh-in, but then gain weight prior to the bout.As noted by L. Jon Wertheim in last week’s Sports Illustrated (When a fighter packs on 20 pounds after the weigh-in, two people can get hurt, Sports Illustrated, April 3, 2006), as a follow-up to a story from the March 27, 2000 issue by Hoffer, Lidz, and Llosa (Inside Boxing), it is common practice for boxers to dehydrate themselves prior to weigh-ins, and then put the weight back on after weigh-in by rehydrating thru a variety of methods as simple as drinking water and as complex as blood transfusions and IV injections. When one boxer uses this technique and the other does not, then boxing matches can take place with weight differences at levels that state commissions have deemed otherwise dangerous and prohibited. In a February 2000 junior-welterweight bout (one of six bouts before a fight between de la Hoya and Derrell Cooley at Madison Square Garden), Joey Gamache and Arturo Gatti each met their 141 pound weight requirement eight hours before their fight. Thereafter, Gatti, using a rehydration strategy, ballooned to 160 pounds. Gamache did not use this strategy and fought at 145 pounds. HBO weighed both boxers prior to their fight, but the results were immaterial according to the governing rules. The fight was stopped after lasting only 20 seconds into the second round. Gamache was allegedly left with severe and permanent neurological injuries that ended his boxing career. Gamache initially filed suit against Gatti and New Jersey Sports Productions, Inc. with a demand of $10 million, which was voluntarily dismissed by the Plaintiff. On February 26, 2006, the matter was refilled in the Southern District of New York (06 CV 1338) before Judge Laura Taylor Swain (check PACER for a copy). The suit alleges that Gatti and New Jersey Sports Productions, Inc. breached the contract for the fight as Gatti “failed to satisfy the maximum weight limit requirement set forth in the contract,” and as a result Gamache lost the fight, was hospitalized for two days, and has ongoing pain and suffering. The complaint also includes a loss of consortium claim by Sissy Gamache, Joey’s wife. State Commissions have allegedly given this issue a priority in their July meeting, so what should be done? Should the Commissions adopt standards to address the concern of weight gain, as opposed to weight loss, prior to competition? Should boxers be prohibited from using these techniques? Should medical examinations be tailored to address hydration issues? The simple solution would seem to require fighters to meet a contract weight moments before their fight, but this has been abandoned due to rapid dehydration techniques that would leave fighters dangerously dehydrated prior to a bout. Hat tip: to uber law clerk, Jim Ryan, for his help researching this.

fights should be fight-night weigh in. if fighters are too weak for the weight class then move up. i'm tired of seeing fighters like cotto, clottey, margarito, dlh, vargas, etc when they would come in at 156-165 on fight night. its not a damn welterweight fight if ur fighting at middleweight division weight!

I think this is more important than the 145lbs catchweight. Miguel weighed in at 146 in his last fight, one more pound is nothing. More significant is the amount of weight he'll put on by the time he enters the ring. I remember one of the sanctioning bodies doing this in the past; only allowing a fighter to gain a certain percentage of the weigh-in weight. It should be implemented in the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight. So you are saying he should drain his weight down to 145 for the weigh-in, and then not be allowed to rehydrate his body for the fight? Absolutely brilliant.

i thinkk pacquiao is and has been asking for too much. he did request that he be awarded a million for each pound cotto is over the contracted weight. be serious if hes so great it shouldnt matter. but all his little insecurities are starting to surface. cause he knows hes going to lose.[/QUOThe should add to the contract that cotto is only allowed to throw left hooks everyother round. hes a clown.

I think this is more important than the 145lbs catchweight. Miguel weighed in at 146 in his last fight, one more pound is nothing. More significant is the amount of weight he'll put on by the time he enters the ring. I remember one of the sanctioning bodies doing this in the past; only allowing a fighter to gain a certain percentage of the weigh-in weight. It should be implemented in the Pacquiao vs Cotto fight. i thinkk pacquiao is and has been asking for too much. he did request that he be awarded a million for each pound cotto is over the contracted weight. be serious if hes so great it shouldnt matter. but all his little insecurities are starting to surface. cause he knows hes going to lose.

Cotto can't weight more than 165lbs come fight night:boxing:

pac will weigh 148 on fight night. Just like in the pac/dlh fight. Cotto will weigh 160 on fight night. That's why Cotto's fat ass never wants to take part in the unofficial fight night weight. In any case, Manny's still gonna whoop him.