I was just informed by an irrational fan of Manny's that Marquez couldn't beat David Diaz.
After picking myself up off of the floor, and recoving all the breath I'd lost from laughing ; I decided to see what you guys think.
The 135lbs version of Marquez that we know right now vs. the 135lbs version of David Diaz that Manny TKO'd in 9 ; could Marquez knock him out?
Might actually end up being a pretty good fight. Diaz is a pretty good hitter. If he hit Marquez like he did Holt it would be lights out for Marquez. I say Marquez would win by a wide ud though. Diaz has a pretty good chin.
same thing as casa bro...but JMM did KO him
I recornize the talent of JMM that is why I do think he was and will again be a worthy opponent for PAC
oh yeah, i forgot about casamayor my bad. i know for sure that jmm will whoop diaz and i wouldnt be surprised either if he knocks him out. :cool2:
Some people are delussional.....
I wouldn't even agree that it wouldn't be AS dominating a performance because of JMM style. We know Diaz loves to come forward, so does Pac that's why they went at it the way they did but JMM is a counter puncher and against Diaz I think he picks him apart from the outside.
I could see this fight stopped from cuts or KO earlier than you might think. He stood toe 2 toe with Juan Diaz , something he shouldn't have done and dominated Juan for the majority of the fight. He boxes David Diaz and he could easily KO him or ref stoppage...
Very, very true.
Marquez is certainly a counterpuncher first and foremost, but he does like to scrap from time to time as well.
Kind of reminds me of how Whitaker always was credited for his masterful defense, but never got any props for enjoying the occasional scrap as well.
same thing as casa bro...but JMM did KO him
I recornize the talent of JMM that is why I do think he was and will again be a worthy opponent for PAC
Most of the Pinoys I've conversed with here share a healthy amount of respect for Marquez, and vice versa with Mexicans and Pacquiao.
Only the morons hate on them because of their loyalty to the other.
They're a classic example of men who were made to fight each other.
Some people are delussional.....
I wouldn't even agree that it wouldn't be AS dominating a performance because of JMM style. We know Diaz loves to come forward, so does Pac that's why they went at it the way they did but JMM is a counter puncher and against Diaz I think he picks him apart from the outside.
I could see this fight stopped from cuts or KO earlier than you might think. He stood toe 2 toe with Juan Diaz , something he shouldn't have done and dominated Juan for the majority of the fight. He boxes David Diaz and he could easily KO him or ref stoppage...
and what do they classify you? retarded/retardo? :D
they are cool already bro so you can roam around now :D
Indeed. In the end ; he and I agreed on the outcome, not the styles.
Diaz got 2 votes now, anybody know if David's mother and father frequent this site? :lol1:
Nope!! Marquez cannot knock out D Diaz... Diaz was knocked out by a punch he did not see... Marquez cannot do that. But he Marquez will probably win by decision.
I explained why he wouldnt beat ODLH the same way Manny did. Its quoted page 2. goin to sleep.
You're sleepy, reason why you've got some of us all confused. I didn't know you meant in the same fashion, I thought you meant if JMM could or couldn't beat them. You got me trippin now, seriously.
It was funny when Mayweather said, "As soon as I beat Oscar, everyone said Oscar was over the hill" but as soon as Pacquiao did it, they were like, "This is the greatest shit in the world" :rofl:. Funniest shit Mayweather has ever said.
"Debatable if he'd beat Hatton and DLH"
Lets talk DLH here, I know SFWs/ LWs (Don't even let me talk about Jr WWs) who would have beaten the crap out that Oscar.
I explained why he wouldnt beat ODLH the same way Manny did. Its quoted page 2. goin to sleep.
I still dont think JMM wouldve beat DDiaz the same way. The last 3 fights of Manny were beatdowns. Id like to give credit to Manny for winning in such a way but I know alot of people like to think otherwise and diss his opponents. To make it clear, I think JMM would beat DDiaz. I wouldnt confuse that. Debatable if he'd beat Hatton and ODLH.
"Debatable if he'd beat Hatton and DLH"
Lets talk DLH here, I know SFWs/ LWs (Don't even let me talk about Jr WWs) who would have beaten the crap out that Oscar.
Bringer of all people I think you'd be most familiar with the nuthugging ways; just brush them off.
I am. I just wanted to see other people's thoughts and Diaz is just funny to me. I have no problems with him but I seriusly consider him to be one of the worst guys @ Lightweight in the past decade.
So I basically wanted to make a thread for laughs about it.
Though it ended up on a more serious debate.
I still dont think JMM wouldve beat DDiaz the same way. The last 3 fights of Manny were beatdowns. Id like to give credit to Manny for winning in such a way but I know alot of people like to think otherwise and diss his opponents. To make it clear, I think JMM would beat DDiaz. I wouldnt confuse that. Debatable if he'd beat Hatton and ODLH.
Fair enough. So long as you can at least say that Marquez beats Diaz ; we're cool.
Though I still think he'd beat Ricky and Oscar as well ; though clearly not as easily.
Seriously, David Diaz was the weakest title holder at the time. He got badly beaten by Holt and got a gift against Erik Morales. No offense to Erik Morales but David Diaz should have beaten that version of Morales and he didn't. To think, someone believes David Diaz would beat JMM.
Bringer, who was this Pacquaio fan?
Okay. This part. The bolded?
That wasn't even a part of the question I asked you.
I asked you if you thought Marquez would beat Diaz, and you said no.
Then you said "not in the same style".
I never asked you anything about anybody's style, or who would win what rounds.
And technically ; Marquez would beat him in the same style ; not losing a single round and scoring a TKO.
Whether he'd fight him toe to toe is irrelevant to the original question.
I still dont think JMM wouldve beat DDiaz the same way. The last 3 fights of Manny were beatdowns. Id like to give credit to Manny for winning in such a way but I know alot of people like to think otherwise and diss his opponents. To make it clear, I think JMM would beat DDiaz. I wouldnt confuse that. Debatable if he'd beat Hatton and ODLH.
I mentioned styles cuz I could. I said JMM wouldnt take out those 3 in teh same way, cuz it's not his STYLE. Manny didnt lose 1 round to them, and I even explained why going against ODLH. but you made a poll about me mentioned D Diaz? hahahaha
I didnt know there were rules of arguing with you.
Okay. This part. The bolded?
That wasn't even a part of the question I asked you.
I asked you if you thought Marquez would beat Diaz, and you said no.
Then you said "not in the same style".
I never asked you anything about anybody's style, or who would win what rounds.
And technically ; Marquez would beat him in the same style ; not losing a single round and scoring a TKO.
Whether he'd fight him toe to toe is irrelevant to the original question.
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