Even if you think Kotelnik was or wasn't World Class he was not a World Champion

Even if you think Kotelnik was or wasn't World Class he was not a World Champion, he was an ABC title holder. When Jones won the title from Ruiz everyone knew that Roy was nothing more than a title holder. Lennox Lewis was the Heavyweight Champion and everyone knew it/agreed. Tommy Morrison,Herbie Hide were not World Champion, they were title holders. When Kotelnik beat Rees id hazard a guess that Hatton was considered the man at 140, so you see Kotelnik cant even be considered a World Champion because he was and prolly never will be the man at 140 in anybody's estimation. You could argue he was after Hatton lost but who would argue that Kotelnik was the man at 140 ? well there you have it he was never a World Champion. There are 4 belts out there that enabled a fighter to call himself a World Champion when he wasn't one, he would of had to of beaten Hatton or arguably Pacquiao to be considered the Champion.

Comments (20)

Mersey

16y ago

Mersey

But if the man beats that man who beat the man's man, but lost to the other man's man's man's man's man's man's man, but who had a SD against the man's man's woman. Who is the true man's man's man's man's man's man's man's man's man's man's man? What is a man? Who knows?

16y ago

Mersey

What if the man, beats the man who beat the other man but got knocked out by the other man's man? :rofl::rofl::rofl: wtf? lol I'm lost.

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

What if the man, beats the man who beat the other man but got knocked out by the other man's man? Sorry you will have to explain this one to me. The man Pacquiao Beats the man Hatton. Kostya Tszyu. I dont get the last bit.

16y ago

F_l_i_c_k_e_r

What if the man, beats the man who beat the other man but got knocked out by the other man's man? Thats stupid. and Khan is just a title holder. The undisputed champ at 140 is Pacquiao. He wants to be the best at 140 then he has to fight Pacquiao. Until then, Khan can be happy fighting UK club fighters and bums instead of taking on Holt to unify.

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

The media will say Khan is a world champion. Yep and in today climate that means nothing to real hardcore Boxing fans because they know the format is flawed. He fights the best and legitimizes his credentials he will get that respect. I criticize Berto for becoming a title holder and not facing anyway and you could say there is still room for criticism there to.

16y ago

Mersey

The media will say Khan is a world champion.

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

But the media perceived Hatton to the best @ 140 when the cunt can't even box. Hatton beat the man who was the man for years, and Hatton defended his title successfully against a handful of good opponents. Im sick of batting these silly questions back because i know that you already know this.

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

So he'd have to beat Pac and Hatton to be the man then? Bradley I'm on about. Yes. That is the way MAJORITY of Boxing fans see it, why dont you already know this though ?

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

Do you consider Arthur Abraham a world champion? Why are you asking me, you should ask yourself WHO Boxing fans and media perceive as the best fighter at which ever weight you care to mention. Abraham certainly would not be considered the man at 168, because he has not fought there, let alone beat anyone. Also Pavlik beat Taylor for Undisputed 160 title, so what do you think ?

16y ago

SpArKeDCoLd

give khan a chance ffs, hes got one belt.... lets see if he can clean up the divison, there aint no point in starting a thread about it.. you need to sort yaself out mate, use ya head a bit more... ive see your threads all the time, proper predictable pointless ****ers..... you got some sort of mental disability??

16y ago

Shattered_Jaw

Do you consider Arthur Abraham a world champion? Kelly Pavlik is the middleweight champion of the world. Doesn't change the fact he is in the BIN OF DISGRACE at the moment. Still, he beat the man who beat the man. Noone can dispute his claim. Abraham KOed about 10 bums in Germany and got a good win over a Miranda Pavlik had already ripped the head off and shat down the throat. Pavliks is the middleweight champion of the world, Abraham was a paper title holder - a potential challenger to the throne that Pavlik sat on.

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

So it is impossible to have a world champion unless they fight every other title holder? Or do people just assume you can beat everybody and then they decide you are champion? No. The way its perceived by the MAJORITY of Boxing fans is...........fight the best perceived challengers by media and fans and then you will be the man, or if that man has already been established then and you beat him, then you become the man. Khan is a title holder of a belt that suggests he is the best fighter in the divions but he is not because there are 4 belt and shere is a perceived best fighter in the division already.

16y ago

SpArKeDCoLd

shut up u mug, he was a world champion, you think your some sort of old skool boxing expert... in this day and age, kotelnik was a respectable world champion... and khan just done him over so sort ya life out, n stop hating on khan...

16y ago

F_l_i_c_k_e_r

So you can only become a World champion by wiping out the entire division? Who's the true champion at 140 then? Bradley? But he hasn't beaten Hatton! He can't be a true World champion! :haha: No. But Bradley would beat Khan. No you do it by beating the man to become the man or wiping out perceived biggest challenges in the division. Hatton is not the linear Champ at 140, so why would Bradley beating him mean Bradley is the man ? Exactly. People are forgetting there is a guy named Manny Pacquiao in the 140lb division. :nonono:

16y ago

Mersey

Do you consider Arthur Abraham a world champion?

16y ago

Shattered_Jaw

No you do it by beating the man to become the man or wiping out perceived biggest challenges in the division. Hatton is not the linear Champ at 140, so why would Bradley beating him mean Bradley is the man ? Demise posts crap, just ignore it. Still talking about Hatton. Lmfao. What a mongaloid.

16y ago

Mersey

Well what does World Champion mean then ? that you hold a title or that your are what it says ............a Champion of the world? not a Champion which implies more than one, its says World Champion implying there is only one. So it is impossible to have a world champion unless they fight every other title holder? Or do people just assume you can beat everybody and then they decide you are champion?

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

So you can only become a World champion by wiping out the entire division? Who's the true champion at 140 then? Bradley? But he hasn't beaten Hatton! He can't be a true World champion! :haha: No you do it by beating the man to become the man or wiping out perceived biggest challenges in the division. Hatton is not the linear Champ at 140, so why would Bradley beating him mean Bradley is the man ?

16y ago

Dynamite_Kid

He holds an abc belt. So, he's a world champion. One of the world champions of his division. Is Cotto not a world champion? because Mosley is known as number 1? Is Vitali Klitschko not a world champion? Because Wlad is number 1? Khan is a world champion, nobody is saying he's the king of his division. He's a world champion. World Champion.... Well what does World Champion mean then ? that you hold a title or that your are what it says ............a Champion of the world? not a Champion which implies more than one, its says World Champion implying there is only one.

16y ago