Prime Naseem Hamed vs Prime Marco Anthonio Barerra

Bump bump :p

Hamed never had some mythical prime where he did not get nailed and outboxed for periods in fights,not when he stepped upto world level anyway,well he beat Steve Robinson who was a goodish fighter but no where near Barrera's class. Hamed had shit performance after shit performance when he stepped into world class and if had not had such devastating power he would of probably lost a few of those fights. I do love the way his fan think that all the stylistic problems are suddenly erased because he is in his mythical prime lol, Hamed never had a period in his career where he looked stellar,not when he was fighting World class fighters anyway, when he fought Euro level fighters maybe. Whenever you speak about a puncher people have to overate how good they actually were because they were entertaining to watch,case in point Mike Tyson,Naseem Hamed.

Barrera had the perfect tactic to win, but Prime Naz had that extra confidence and speed. He was awkward and less orthodoxed to judge, but more importantly, he trained hard. The guy that fought Barrera had hand problems, a trainer that made him more orthodox (Steward and that other guy) and he was too cocky. Once you believe in your power alone in boxing, you lose to the best. There's a reason why there aren't purely strong men at the top of boxing, but men with skills and dedication.

Interesting............................

Well i personally didn't think there was anything, wrong with Naseem Hamed. Infact if he wouldn't of been fighting fit, he would of lost because he had to dig very deep to win. I didn't say Manuel Medina fights like MAB, but the thing he did do similar to MAB. Was counter punch Naseem Hamed effectively, infact if i remember rightly i had Naseem Hamed behind on the scorecards, until he caught up to Manuel Meinda. Lastly i haven't seen the fight in along time, but i thought the corner stopped the fight ? i don't remember Manuel Medina quitting. True. Ur right, the corner probably pulled him out. Still, my point was he was a mess. Bloody face, eyes closed. And Barreras style is just different from Medinas. The judges had Hamed winning. Il also have to watch it again. I just didnt think Medina was the best comparison for Barrera. I think the other fighters i mentioned had his number, but werent as skillful as Barrera. Like i said above, i think Barrera would always expose Hamed. Even if Hamed punched in combos, he had no defence up close.

Hamed just didn't want it as badly as Barrera did. His in-ring clowning did him in and he lost rounds he could have won. I see the same thing happening again theoretically if they were to fight again and come in with that work ethic.

Had an agruement with a guy on this about the outcome of this fight, just want to see what other people think. Im not talking the none interested Hamed who met Barerra in 2001, but the man who had Brendan Ingle in his corner, the naz who threw combos and actually trained for his fights. E.g. When he fought Steve Robinson Poll to come, Vote and Discuss. Cheers Hamed was caught much more as he stepped up in class. Augie Sanchez, Wayne McCullough, and Kevin Kelly had figured out how to get to Hamed. Barrera carried it out to perfection. But Hamed also started to rely on his power too much and wasnt training. I think its very difficult to tell what would of happened a few years earlier. Hamed by KO, or Barrera countering and frustrating Hamed? IMO the flaws were always there, Barrera would always of exposed them.

Would Hamed always lose? Maybe. Was that the best Hamed we had seen? No.

Right i'll end this debate now, since you said yourself. His prime was 1996ish, didn't he go life and death with Manuel Medina in 1996 ? and was arguably losing until he finally caught up to him in the later rounds ? Manuel Medina outboxed him and knocked his mouthpiece, out in one of the rounds aswell. Infact it reminded me of the MAB fight without the knockdowns, Manuel Medina was a goodish fighter but clearly not on MAB's level. So put MAB in that fight and what happens ? Naseem Hamed was never as good as the hype suggested. Hell he was almost stopped by Paul Ingle, and had to bodyslam and resort to other dirty tactics, against Cesar Soto when he was losing. Hamed had a chest infection whilst traing for the Medina fight. Sounds like BS, but after the fight u could tell he wasnt right. I dont think he was at his best. Also, Medina fights nothing like Barrera. Hamed punished him so much he quit in the 11th and was down in the 3rd.

face facts marco antonio barerra is an overrated glass jawed chump who ducked hamed for over three years he meets hamed at the right time and scores a win over an absolute shell of his best days and this somehow makes him an all time great no it ****ing doesn't. He's still the overrated coward with a glass jaw who was exposed and knocked out by junior jones hamed was the star,hamed was the champion yet he had to call the names out watching barerra quit like a coward again amir khan was very satisfying to see,that coward had that coming for over 8 years http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/118132/71313406a57843155c41d4070cad05e5-getty-84488043rm022_amir_khan_v_m.jpg LOL at the mexican warrior He didn't quit you dumbass. The Fight Stopped because of the Cut. And Barrera never quits. He whooped Hameed and your butt hurt because you found out the Prince wasn't SHIT compared to Barrera. Barrera is an ATG fighter and a top 5 mexican champion. What is Naz?? i'll tell you. A FRAUD. cant believe some people in here hate on real champions. it's stupid.

Unless you take a poll and truly find out who is or isn't more familiar with careers you simply can't say that. Furthermore, Hamed was a bigger star in the US then Barrera was. Finally, maybe...just maybe...people really feel Hamed couldn't beat Barrera. Think about it. It's so tiring to hear people just brush it off as nationalism. How about we look at facts??? I posted facts on Naz and you had no comeback

I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. The simple fact is that British fighters get very little respect on this board and have virtually no chance of winning any poll (unless they are Lennox Lewis), so the results are always going to be lopsided. Look at all the unnecessary, bile filled hate threads for Hatton and Khan and you might just understand what I mean. There's also the fact that most of the people voting will be far more familiar with Barrera's career than Hameds. Simple facts. :luvbed: Unless you take a poll and truly find out who is or isn't more familiar with careers you simply can't say that. Furthermore, Hamed was a bigger star in the US then Barrera was. Finally, maybe...just maybe...people really feel Hamed couldn't beat Barrera. Think about it. It's so tiring to hear people just brush it off as nationalism. How about we look at facts???

I would have to go with Barrera any time.

Yes, their bias leads them to pick Barrera, the Mexican who doesn't speak English. No, it's not because Barrera has established credentials that make him an ATG, it's not because when the two actually fought he handed Hamed his sole loss in resounding fashion. That's can't be it. No, it's because Barrera is an AMERICAN. Who's really biased here? You've got to be some alt trying to make those overseas look bad. I'm not trying to make anyone look bad. The simple fact is that British fighters get very little respect on this board and have virtually no chance of winning any poll (unless they are Lennox Lewis), so the results are always going to be lopsided. Look at all the unnecessary, bile filled hate threads for Hatton and Khan and you might just understand what I mean. There's also the fact that most of the people voting will be far more familiar with Barrera's career than Hameds. Simple facts. :luvbed:

WTF? 2ndround ko? 2 posts?? That's me! What's going on with this board??

So it is Barerra's fault that Hamed wasn't prepared to fight him? I think some are confusing peak with prime. Hamed certainly wasn't punch drunk or massively out of shape when the fight occurred. He was certainly in his "prime", just not peak condition and was beaten handily. Don't confuse Hamed being an idiot with him being past it. It's the dumbest thing I ever heard. He was out of his prime because he stopped training. What logic.

did it ever occur to you that tom "boom boom" johnson pretty much smokes every fighter that hamed fought from 1998-2001? Or are you ignorant of his career? Are you trying to throw out a name and hope I don't know what you're talking about? Tom Johnson was probably one of his best wins - and, along with the Robinson fight, one of his most consistent performances. I'll even ignore the fact that Johnson was on the downside of his career and had been quite inconsistent prior to facing Hamed. What you fail to understand is that neither the 96 version, the 98 or the 2000 version of Hamed would've beaten Barrera. 70% of the board agrees.

So it is Barerra's fault that Hamed wasn't prepared to fight him? I think some are confusing peak with prime. Hamed certainly wasn't punch drunk or massively out of shape when the fight occurred. He was certainly in his "prime", just not peak condition and was beaten handily. Don't confuse Hamed being an idiot with him being past it.

Barrera by TKO if they fought twice.

hamed gave Whine manuel marquez a shot at the title and his greatest pay day ever in 2000 and marquez and his team turned it down...fact That little known fact is actually true i remember someone posted a link to an interview of some sort on here awhile back with info on this, Naz did offer a title shot to JMM