Calzaghe vs Toney at 168

toney wins calzaghe would be eating right hands all night

Yes. Styles make fights. Toney beating Reggie Johnson doesnt mean you'll beat Calzaghe. But you knew that. :lol1: Yes but that wasn't my point...

You had a point? Yes. Styles make fights. Toney beating Reggie Johnson doesnt mean you'll beat Calzaghe. But you knew that. :lol1:

The point I made clearly flew over your head.:dunce: You had a point?

That's like saying Calzaghe would never beat Toney because none of the guys he ever fought have his style. The point I was making (which flew over your head) is that I believe the people who are picking Toney are doing it based on merit, not where he's from. The point I made clearly flew over your head.:dunce:

I dont think 175 was the best years Toney had. It was sort of like how Molsey lost to Forrest twice in a row and looked bad until he faced Vargas. In Toney's case id agree but i think Shane just met two guys that were too much for him stylistically.

Drake Thadzi outworked Toney so its possible but that was not a 100% inshape Toney. Inshape Toney beats Calzaghe clearly, but an under conditioned Toney got outworked by Thadzi and Tiberi, so its possible that Calzaghe could win, however both on thier best nights Calzaghe is not good enough. I dont think 175 was the best years Toney had. It was sort of like how Molsey lost to Forrest twice in a row and looked bad until he faced Vargas.

Drake Thadzi outworked Toney so its possible but that was not a 100% inshape Toney. Inshape Toney beats Calzaghe clearly, but an under conditioned Toney got outworked by Thadzi and Tiberi, so its possible that Calzaghe could win, however both on thier best nights Calzaghe is not good enough.

What advantage does Calzaghe have over a prime Toney? Sure people will say "depends on which Toney" but I'm talking about the focused one. What advantage would Calzaghe have?

prime toney at 168 was a beast, toney by UD or late TKO

Either would be pretty poor reasoning since none of those guys fight like Calzaghe. That's like saying Calzaghe would never beat Toney because none of the guys he ever fought have his style. The point I was making (which flew over your head) is that I believe the people who are picking Toney are doing it based on merit, not where he's from.

Pretty wrong too. I'm looking for a response on this thread that says Toney would win because he's American. I mean, it couldn't possibly be because this is a man who defeated McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, Jirov, even Holyfield, right? Either would be pretty poor reasoning since none of those guys fight like Calzaghe.

simply because americans a) rate their fighters more or b) have seen more of toney than joe. pretty simple answer imo. Pretty wrong too. I'm looking for a response on this thread that says Toney would win because he's American. I mean, it couldn't possibly be because this is a man who defeated McCallum, Nunn, Johnson, Jirov, even Holyfield, right?

hard one! joe can ik out a decision victory!

Toney lost to Drake Thadzi. That's an important point to consider. Calzaghe lost to no man. That was kinda my point. Its not so much who Toney lost to, its more the fact that he could turn up one night and be the best fighter on the planet then turn up in his next fight looking distinctly average. On his best night, his style would give Calzaghe nightmares but on his lesser nights, Calzaghes workrate would trouble him.

Toney lost to Drake Thadzi. That's an important point to consider. Calzaghe lost to no man.

Prime tony was RAW!

i think a lot of people are mistaken if they think calzaghe will try to lay on toney's chest and just try to outwork him while toney does that shoulder role thing, that wouldn't happen. calzaghe is an excellent boxer and people tend to forget this, he would not go toe to toe and trade licks with toney, he wont fight toney the same way he fought hopkins or jones because toney doesn't have the footwork jones or hopkins has and is rather flat footed. calzaghe will be on his toes and try to box him.

Under regular boxing rules Calzaghe would be disqualified due to excessive punching with the inside of his glove. Why no one seems to enforce the regular boxing rules nowadays beats me. I'm sure Mills Lane would hate slaps.

calzaghe slaps his way to a UD