Or is it just one of those things you have or you don't? I've heard fighters with thicker necks tend to have better chins so neck work outs would actually help a little.
It would absolutely help. But keep in mind most KO's occur from a punch you were not prepared to endure. A straight right behind a blinding jab.....a left hook after a faint with the straight right...... etc....
Some people's brain stems are more sensitive to concussive blunt force than others. Strength training will do nothing to change that fact.
It's certainly true that's there's many factors involved but for many there really is nothing you can do but neck work would offer some improvement and hence his question.
From what I understand it's generally the snapping of the neck that causes the brain to shift and thus cause a concussion. So having a strong neck through neck work should help.
It would absolutely help. But keep in mind most KO's occur from a punch you were not prepared to endure. A straight right behind a blinding jab.....a left hook after a faint with the straight right...... etc....
Some people's brain stems are more sensitive to concussive blunt force than others. Strength training will do nothing to change that fact.
From what I understand it's generally the snapping of the neck that causes the brain to shift and thus cause a concussion. So having a strong neck through neck work should help.
i didnt read all that shit. i still stand by my statement. conditioning betters recoverytime and can be the diffrence from being dropped to being counted out.
neck exercises better the ability to take a punch in general.
as for u saying im not a boxer. if someone plays basketball hes a basketball player, if someone competes at boxing hes a boxer. a real boxer, not one of those dudes that hang a heavybag in their basement and say they box.
anyways, good luck finding the balls to get in the ring yourself instead of just acting hard on the internet.
God man I am confused now. Because I could have swore you were the one acting like an internet tough guy. Saying things to act like an expert that can not be proved. I guess you are all mixed up.
In closing....since you did not take the time to read or educate yourself.....all the neck exercises in the world will not protect the brain stem.
i didnt read all that shit. i still stand by my statement. conditioning betters recoverytime and can be the diffrence from being dropped to being counted out.
neck exercises better the ability to take a punch in general.
as for u saying im not a boxer. if someone plays basketball hes a basketball player, if someone competes at boxing hes a boxer. a real boxer, not one of those dudes that hang a heavybag in their basement and say they box.
anyways, good luck finding the balls to get in the ring yourself instead of just acting hard on the internet.
"Can A Fighter Do Anything To Improve Their Chin?"
YES. neck exercises and conditioning improve your ability to take a punch.
i know from experience. that makes me the 2nd real boxer so far to acctually know from experience u can better your ability to take a punch. will u be man enough to admit u were wrong or will u keep pretending u know what u are talking about?
I hope your definition of real boxer is broad in order to include yourself. I digress though. Please refer to johnle43's post a few earlier ton educate yourself on the chin in relation to the brain. It would enlighten you if you could actually comprehend it.
Here, educate yourself a little bit.
A Knockout in boxing entails deliberate production of the state of unconsciousness. See:
Acute subdural hematoma caused by professional boxing
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
and it appears to be from a "Transient unconsciousness" with or without concussion. Others believe a knockout would also entail mild concussion http://nanonline.org/nandistance/mtbi/modules/sports/dings.html
and here:
** Concussion: comparison of humans and rats
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
( Concussion is the most primitive and probably the most simple central nervous system response to an outside agent. Although millions of neurons undergo a very rapid reversal with loss and restoration of function, many physicians argue that every knockout blow leaves some residual damage, i.e., some or all of these neurons stop short of recovery...)
this seems to lead to a new view of "knockout" (unconsciousness for short period of time) as a "CHIT" or closed head injury of transient type. http://www.pni.org/neuropsychiatry/chit/classification.html
The definition listed states "little or no unconsciousness, or and alteration of consciousness that does not last longer than a day". Most boxing knockouts do not leave the boxer completely unconscious, carried out cold on a stretcher, but rather have the man incapacity neurologically for a brief period, often less than 2 or 3 minutes. This loss of function is most likely described above as a rapid reversal of activity, but exactly what that means is hard to pin down. I would say it certainly qualifies for a Grade 1 Concussion,as described here under Head trauma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_trauma
There is a lot of related medical literature on the topic of boxing, martial arts and high velocity sports concussions or brain injury. Most of them tend to focus on the long term effects of repetitive trauma, but on your more immediate focus there is some findings.
Neurological and CT evaluation of knocked-out boxers.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
Duration of cognitive impairment after sports concussion.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
neurologist's reflections on boxing. V. Conclude remarks.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
On-field predictors of neuropsychological and symptom deficit following sports-related concussion
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
You might also find these interesting concerning martial arts
Video analysis of head blows leading to concussion in competition Taekwondo.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
Video analysis of blows to the head and face at the 1999 World Taekwondo Championships
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
Punch drunk syndrome due to repeated karate kicks and punches
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
Head and neck injuries in young taekwondo athletes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra...
Martial arts injury overview
http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/martial-arts.html
I hope some of these links and articles help you on your school report.
You are getting other physical attributes confused with the original question.
"Can A Fighter Do Anything To Improve Their Chin?"
The answer is no. Plain and simple. You can do many things to hide an inferior chin, i.e. good conditioning, good defense, etc... But you can not physically improve the chin.
You have a severe reading comprehension problem.
"Can A Fighter Do Anything To Improve Their Chin?"
YES. neck exercises and conditioning improve your ability to take a punch.
i know from experience. that makes me the 2nd real boxer so far to acctually know from experience u can better your ability to take a punch. will u be man enough to admit u were wrong or will u keep pretending u know what u are talking about?
Or is it just one of those things you have or you don't? I've heard fighters with thicker necks tend to have better chins so neck work outs would actually help a little.
Yes, grow a beard.
I would also add that if you compete at a comfortable weight you shouldnt have as much of a problem. the loss of muscle can greatly affect your ability to take shots.
if you are fighting at your best weight-their isnt much you can do
exercising your NECK isnt going to keep your BRAIN from getting rocked unless you've got such a thick neck that the fibers are so densly packed so that they restrict the movement caused by the punch. and actually, its 'always the one you didnt see' that hurts you so you wont have any time to tighten your neck up anyways (although neck lifting could help for the shots you do see). proper hydration is the only real factor which plays a role in how easily your brain gets shaken. conditioning on the other hand comes in to play AFTER you've been rocked...for recovery not 'chin'.
completly agree with the bold bit, but you have to acknowledge their are some anomalies like say toney or holyfield who aren't always well conditioned but have good chins. on the flipside some very well conditioned fighters have poor chins.
but i think conditioning does have a huge role in your ability to take a punch late in the fight
Sure! Good conditioning can be the difference between taking a 10 count or a 7.. All the best champs get up to win.. That's a fact..
wow, its rare to see a poster do so many wrongs in just one post.
first of hes right, u are all entitled to your opinion, but him acctually fighting means his opinion means more on a subject like this.
written in bold is completely false. conditioning helps ALOT when it comes to your chin. i know from experience. what shape u are in can make the diffrence from being shook by every clean punch, to average abilty to take a punch, to being able to take punches like an animal.
whenever ive been on a layoff im the first alternative, getting shook by more or less every punch. i can be sparring guys whos punches i taken easily with 12 oz gloves in the past, only to when out of shape get stunned, hurt or even dropped with 14oz. guys who never hurt me before. and when im in great shape, im yet to be even stunned. which includes fighting with 10oz or sparring much bigger guys with 12oz.
conditioning plays a HUGE roll in the ability to take a punch.
also. tommy hearns didnt have a weak chin. teh guy started at 147, was stopped due to fatigue. never stopped at 154. his only losses where chin played a role was at 160. a former WW fighting two HUGE MWs and big punchers. barkley is most likely the biggest man to ever make 160, hes a Lt.HW who made 160. hagler was a much bigger man than tommy aswell. getting KOd by huge punchers who are bigger than yourself doesnt mean u have a weak chin, its whats supposed to happen. hearns didnt have a weak chin at all.
neck exercises also helps u a absorb punches alot. which is the subject of all this. can u make your chin better? yes, u certainly can.
You are getting other physical attributes confused with the original question.
"Can A Fighter Do Anything To Improve Their Chin?"
The answer is no. Plain and simple. You can do many things to hide an inferior chin, i.e. good conditioning, good defense, etc... But you can not physically improve the chin.
You have a severe reading comprehension problem.
wow, its rare to see a poster do so many wrongs in just one post.
first of hes right, u are all entitled to your opinion, but him acctually fighting means his opinion means more on a subject like this.
written in bold is completely false. conditioning helps ALOT when it comes to your chin. i know from experience. what shape u are in can make the diffrence from being shook by every clean punch, to average abilty to take a punch, to being able to take punches like an animal.
whenever ive been on a layoff im the first alternative, getting shook by more or less every punch. i can be sparring guys whos punches i taken easily with 12 oz gloves in the past, only to when out of shape get stunned, hurt or even dropped with 14oz. guys who never hurt me before. and when im in great shape, im yet to be even stunned. which includes fighting with 10oz or sparring much bigger guys with 12oz.
conditioning plays a HUGE roll in the ability to take a punch.
also. tommy hearns didnt have a weak chin. teh guy started at 147, was stopped due to fatigue. never stopped at 154. his only losses where chin played a role was at 160. a former WW fighting two HUGE MWs and big punchers. barkley is most likely the biggest man to ever make 160, hes a Lt.HW who made 160. hagler was a much bigger man than tommy aswell. getting KOd by huge punchers who are bigger than yourself doesnt mean u have a weak chin, its whats supposed to happen. hearns didnt have a weak chin at all.
neck exercises also helps u a absorb punches alot. which is the subject of all this. can u make your chin better? yes, u certainly can.
completly agree with the bold bit, but you have to acknowledge their are some anomalies like say toney or holyfield who aren't always well conditioned but have good chins. on the flipside some very well conditioned fighters have poor chins.
but i think conditioning does have a huge role in your ability to take a punch late in the fight
Oh okay Mr. Boxer...we won't post anymore because you are the reputable boxer that post on a forum and we are not. PLEASE!!!
You either have a chin or you don't. All the conditioning in the world assist you in doing the proper things you need to do in order to protect your chin. It doesn't improve the ability to sustain a blow itself. you don't think Tommy Hearns trained his body to go through hell? Of course he did but his chin was still weak. There are plenty more examples. A current one is Andre Berto. His intense training and relatively light competition has hidden for the most part his suspect chin. That works for Berto at the B level but when he fights elite competition, i.e SSM, Cotto, Williams, etc.... his chin will be exposed.
wow, its rare to see a poster do so many wrongs in just one post.
first of hes right, u are all entitled to your opinion, but him acctually fighting means his opinion means more on a subject like this.
written in bold is completely false. conditioning helps ALOT when it comes to your chin. i know from experience. what shape u are in can make the diffrence from being shook by every clean punch, to average abilty to take a punch, to being able to take punches like an animal.
whenever ive been on a layoff im the first alternative, getting shook by more or less every punch. i can be sparring guys whos punches i taken easily with 12 oz gloves in the past, only to when out of shape get stunned, hurt or even dropped with 14oz. guys who never hurt me before. and when im in great shape, im yet to be even stunned. which includes fighting with 10oz or sparring much bigger guys with 12oz.
conditioning plays a HUGE roll in the ability to take a punch.
also. tommy hearns didnt have a weak chin. teh guy started at 147, was stopped due to fatigue. never stopped at 154. his only losses where chin played a role was at 160. a former WW fighting two HUGE MWs and big punchers. barkley is most likely the biggest man to ever make 160, hes a Lt.HW who made 160. hagler was a much bigger man than tommy aswell. getting KOd by huge punchers who are bigger than yourself doesnt mean u have a weak chin, its whats supposed to happen. hearns didnt have a weak chin at all.
neck exercises also helps u a absorb punches alot. which is the subject of all this. can u make your chin better? yes, u certainly can.
Just practice eating right hands without any defense. I suggest no more than 50 a day. Keep this up for about 3 months and then you will notice the difference. As you progress and get into peak condition you should ramp it up to taking 100 clean shots a day. I strongly advise against uppercuts. But if you can't help yourself I suggest leaving the uppercuts till last and no more than 10.
It would be great hear how you guys go at this technique, so even after a week just let us know how your going and if your starting to notice the difference at all.
I beg to differ with all of you. If you dont box and compete then dont post
Yes you can.
the ability to take a punch can be affected greatly by a completely condition and strong body. If you prepare your body to go through hell and back you most definitely will.
Its all about how hard you train. Granted some people can take shots better than others but at peak performance its a lot harder to be put down.
Oh okay Mr. Boxer...we won't post anymore because you are the reputable boxer that post on a forum and we are not. PLEASE!!!
You either have a chin or you don't. All the conditioning in the world assist you in doing the proper things you need to do in order to protect your chin. It doesn't improve the ability to sustain a blow itself. you don't think Tommy Hearns trained his body to go through hell? Of course he did but his chin was still weak. There are plenty more examples. A current one is Andre Berto. His intense training and relatively light competition has hidden for the most part his suspect chin. That works for Berto at the B level but when he fights elite competition, i.e SSM, Cotto, Williams, etc.... his chin will be exposed.
Neck & leg excercises do help.. Especially the neck.. I Know many fighters who reduced their KO defecit like this.. A good example was Nigel Benn, who after, getting stopped with a relatively light punch from Michael Watson, went on to take eveything Gerald McClellan could throw at him..