Ring Magazine Cover: "At only 28 years of age, Cotto may already be past his prime"

that is interesting, i mean he's been in some brutal fights, the mosley fight was very brutal the judah fight was a war the torres fight was 2 guys getting pummeled the clottey fight was a very hard one and the margo fight must have been very hard on his body. idk if he's past it, but he might have developed stamina probblems. Pacman had a brutal fights with Hussien was rough Sasakul was tough Agapito Sanchez was rough Morales 1 was a war Morales 2 was a war Barrera 2 was tough JMM 1 was a war JMM2 was a war Pac aint past it. whats the deal?

Cotto looked like a tank its not the weight really but he's slowed down a lot compared to when he outboxed Mosley

I think he is, he's still very solid and has a bit left on him, but his best years are definitely gone

Very interesting cover and caption from Ring Magazine: "Miguel Cotto at 28...Have We Seen His Best?" http://images.ringtv.com/images/7/00/00/26/92/2692_178.jpg I voted 'don't know'. If he is past his prime it was precipitated in part by margocheato.

I'll tell you what's ruining Cotto- his weight. Against Judah especially and Mosley, Cotto was cut and lean. gainst Margarito and Clottey he was much much heavier looked like a tank and much slower. lol.cotto was his leanest at welter vs margarito.he was back to the mosley fight weight vs clottey.

I'll tell you what's ruining Cotto- his weight. Against Judah especially and Mosley, Cotto was cut and lean. gainst Margarito and Clottey he was much much heavier looked like a tank and much slower.

Great article and I agree with most everything he says but again, I think it's hard to just come down on Golden Boy when the reality is, they are up and coming into the world of promotion and have to build themselves up first before we see some earth shattering changes here. Arum and King still have a lot of good fighters signed with them and it's not that easy just expecting GBP to just get all the fights the public wants. If boxing is to do better, a lot fo things this guy pointed out has to happen and most of them have nothing to do with GBP. Boxing is most deifnitely a fringe sport and it will take a major change to change that. They are not up and coming. De La Hoya has been promoting since he was in his prime. Plus, it's hard to call them up and coming when they have this magical relationship with HBO and Time Warner. People should have woken up when they took Ring Magazine (and with it the now back-to-prominence Ring belt) from right under everyone's noses. The cozy relationship with HBO is a bit much. Look how they tried to force GBP on Calzaghe-Jones. Why do you think fighters keep going over there. Ask yourself why Marco Antonio Barrera, a fighter as intelligent as any other, FLED GBP and signed with...Don King? Something's rotten.

Great article here: http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/memorandum-for-ross-greenburg-hbo-2009 Great article and I agree with most everything he says but again, I think it's hard to just come down on Golden Boy when the reality is, they are up and coming into the world of promotion and have to build themselves up first before we see some earth shattering changes here. Arum and King still have a lot of good fighters signed with them and it's not that easy just expecting GBP to just get all the fights the public wants. If boxing is to do better, a lot fo things this guy pointed out has to happen and most of them have nothing to do with GBP. Boxing is most deifnitely a fringe sport and it will take a major change to change that.

Is tha article about Cotto? This is a Cotto thread you know! LOL. I'll link a Cotto article for you ;).

LOL I understand what Dana White is and what GBP is.... I'm saying this because it is PROMOTERS in boxing that put the fights together. In the UFC it's Dana White and only Dana White that determines who will fight who. So, in saying that, GBP is putting out fights we want to see and we have been getting charged $50 for the last 5-6 years anyway. I'm just tired of people screaming change and now that it's here, you want to complain about that as well. Let's give GBP more than a few years to see what they can do for boxing. I think the biggest reason that boxers are going to GBP is because they too are tired of the corruption that exists in this sport. Sorry dude...when you have promoters buying magazines and signing exclusive deals with networks - to the point where the network is trying to FORCE other fighters to work with them then there is a conflict of interest.

Great article here: http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/memorandum-for-ross-greenburg-hbo-2009

Dana White is a commissioner. GBP is NOT. GBP is not an organization that runs boxing, they're PROMOTERS. Seriously, the difference isn't hard to see. And as far as them putting on the fights you want to see...they have almost all the fighters! That's what they should do! Except next time they'll charge you $55 and give you an undercard for the ages. LOL I understand what Dana White is and what GBP is.... I'm saying this because it is PROMOTERS in boxing that put the fights together. In the UFC it's Dana White and only Dana White that determines who will fight who. So, in saying that, GBP is putting out fights we want to see and we have been getting charged $50 for the last 5-6 years anyway. I'm just tired of people screaming change and now that it's here, you want to complain about that as well. Let's give GBP more than a few years to see what they can do for boxing. I think the biggest reason that boxers are going to GBP is because they too are tired of the corruption that exists in this sport.

Cotto is not past prime. He is not a big WW and when he fights against a big WW he has problems. But he stills a very good fighter.

Well, I dissagree because what boxing needs is more organization. There's nothing Golden Boy has done that can make you think DLH is corrupt or wants to ruin boxing and not make the great fights. If anything I think it's Golden Boy that has put some of the fighters we want to see together. With Arum and King, it's all about making money reguardless if it's going to be a good fight for the fans. Arum even admited himself he would have never put Ortiz vs Maidana because he would have managed him to a much bigger fight before his first loss. That's the old school way of thinking and that's why boxing is becoming more and more of a fringe sport. Look what Dana White and Zuffa has done for MMA....boxing needs to see the best fighters fight each other and I think that Golden Boy is the answer. I'm tired of seeing these old school promoters do things the wrong way, filled with corruption and thinking it's still the days of when the mafia ran prize fighting. Dana White is a commissioner. GBP is NOT. GBP is not an organization that runs boxing, they're PROMOTERS. Seriously, the difference isn't hard to see. And as far as them putting on the fights you want to see...they have almost all the fighters! That's what they should do! Except next time they'll charge you $55 and give you an undercard for the ages.

Sometimes the evil that you know is better than the one you don't. Say what you want about those two but in the before this century those guys put on great CARDS--not fights but cards. Plus, their equal rivalry balanced power. When you have one organization signing every one up, even going as far as to meddling into the media, then enjoying a very strange relationship with the major network...watch out. Really I could dig deeper but I think common sense oughta tell you all you need to know just by simply looking at the surface. Well, I dissagree because what boxing needs is more organization. There's nothing Golden Boy has done that can make you think DLH is corrupt or wants to ruin boxing and not make the great fights. If anything I think it's Golden Boy that has put some of the fighters we want to see together. With Arum and King, it's all about making money reguardless if it's going to be a good fight for the fans. Arum even admited himself he would have never put Ortiz vs Maidana because he would have managed him to a much bigger fight before his first loss. That's the old school way of thinking and that's why boxing is becoming more and more of a fringe sport. Look what Dana White and Zuffa has done for MMA....boxing needs to see the best fighters fight each other and I think that Golden Boy is the answer. I'm tired of seeing these old school promoters do things the wrong way, filled with corruption and thinking it's still the days of when the mafia ran prize fighting.

:lol1: :dance: lets go mosley u can land that fight damn it!!! warrrrrrrrrrrr!

Really, since Bob Arum and Don King have done such a great job of running the sport so cleanly....... Sometimes the evil that you know is better than the one you don't. Say what you want about those two but in the before this century those guys put on great CARDS--not fights but cards. Plus, their equal rivalry balanced power. When you have one organization signing every one up, even going as far as to meddling into the media, then enjoying a very strange relationship with the major network...watch out. Really I could dig deeper but I think common sense oughta tell you all you need to know just by simply looking at the surface.

GBP scares me. And if you're a boxing fan, you should be scared too. Really, since Bob Arum and Don King have done such a great job of running the sport so cleanly.......

GBP scares me. And if you're a boxing fan, you should be scared too.

Manny's legacy is NOT beating De La Hoya and Hatton, those are just the fights that made him well-known. His legacy was made when he beat Morales, Barrera, and Marquez. Besides, everyone in retrospect is acting like they knew Hatton was shot and would get knocked out in the 2nd, when he was the clear champ at 140 and was being picked to maul and mug Manny for a win. Hatton would probably still maul and mug his way to victory against any junior welter in the world other than Manny.