pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
this is exactly what i feel, ricans are the biggest cry babys in here
and its pretty ironic, they only post 2 things.
#1. cotto will ko pac, cotto will kill pac
#2. oh no, catchweight, pac a pussy, he will drain cotto;
I believe cotto deserves a payday, but u ricans don't deserve that fight cuz evry fockin day its a rehash of the same fockin complaint.
Please, all u ricans contact your cousin's cousin's cousin who lives in caguas and tell them to tell cotto not to make the fight.
I don't believe u ricans really want to see the fight because every day u complain like a whore w/ crabs.
Please cancel this fight.
"u ricans"?????Cotto only has rican fans???
pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
Oh, yeah! And BoxingScene doesn't deserve haters and racists on this forum either.
You're just mad because you know if its a fair fight, Cotto will obliterate Packy.
This catch weight shit is just an admission of fear.
I'm gonna email Cotto and tell him to beat the shit out of Pullcounter.
Amen to that bro.
pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
Suck mah balls pull. First of not everyone is complainin about the catch, and second.
Would you rather see him fight Floyd "The Duckman" Gayweather?
Without cotto, mosley,margarito, clottey and floyd....pacman would be fighting hatton again. You want that welterweight title, then fight like a welterweight, fight like the way the welterweight fight....146-147 or else go fight the 140lb fighters. You know all this is making pacman look bad, not cotto.
yea pac is looking bad
while cotto looks like a retard
cotto 08:pac vs dlh hurts boxing
cotto 09:pac fight is the fight of my life
:tool: the only one bitching is Paquiao because he is scare of Cotto:boxing:
yeah pacquiao is scared..6division champ..
cotto? 2 division? yes hes scared
D@mn pull I can't believe I actually gave you propz before! This boricua bashing that you be doing is idiotic. We aren't the only ones that are complaining about the catch weight. Most of us never even talk sh!t about Pac or even think about bashing pinoys. I think you just hate all boricuas, who knows for what reason, and talking sh!t about us is just gonna get you banned on here.
Good article
143 catch-weight will only diminish Pacquiao's legacy
July 9, 6:30 AM · Dennis "dSource" Guillermo - Indianapolis Fight Sports Examiner
Most recent reports coming out from the Manny Pacquiao camp indicate that they now want Miguel Cotto to go down to 143 if they were indeed to meet on top of the ring for a year-ending boxing blockbuster.
Honestly, I was already a little bit skeptical about the 145 or 144 stipulation since it takes away from the accomplishment. If Pacquiao wanted to fight Cotto, people want to see him fight the real Miguel Cotto not a compromised version of him.
The whole Oscar De la Hoya situation was a totally different case. Oscar thought he can take advantage of Pacquiao and his ambitious nature and take the easy way out be fighting a smaller man for his retirement fight. Back then, nobody knew how Pacquiao would do moving up 12 pounds in weight and the disparity in height and size was just too big of a difference for them not to give Pacquiao concessions. Add to that the fact that De la Hoya and Pacquiao were the two most popular boxers during that time and had somewhat of a personal conflict from when Pacquiao spurned the contract he signed with Golden Boy. There were a lot of intangibles that pushed the fight to happen. It was "The Dream Fight", by all means it had to be done.
After the fight however, Pacquiao proved that he can hang in the higher weight classes. He beat De la Hoya at 147 and despite people saying he was dehydrated and all, I still believe he was simply outclassed. It's just a matter of which De la Hoya you believe. The De la Hoya that said before the fight that he was utilizing all the technologies and sciences available for him to lose weight properly and that he was feeling great and stronger than ever (Not to mention employing two of the greatest trainers in boxing history). The De la Hoya that told Freddie Roach after the fight that he simply did not have it anymore and that Pacquiao was just a great fighter and deserved everything he achieved. Or the De la Hoya that told the media weeks after his embarrassing loss that he was simply dehydrated and drained. Personally, I tend to hear-out what people say first and use my observations and logic to make the call. And from what I saw, coupled by Pacquiao’s destruction of the then best 140-pounder in the planet in Ricky Hatton, regardless of what the Golden Boy says, the fact is that Pacquiao is still one of the best fighters even at welterweight. He did not ask Hatton to go below his natural weight and he simply destroyed the linear champ who incidentally was also undefeated at 140. The lack of big names in 140 leaves Pacquiao no choice than to fight the bigger names at 147 if he truly wanted to stage the biggest event and further his legacy.
But if Pacquiao is going to force Cotto into agreeing to fight him at 143, I’d rather have him fight a willing Mosley at 143. The difference is they want it. De la Hoya wanted Pacquiao at 147 and bragged before the fight he felt great in the weight, so he deserved the beating he got and makes his complaints about dehydration sound more like excuses.. So if Mosley wants Pacquiao at 143, by all means.
Cotto has already shown in the past that he could not force his body to lose any more weight. He can legitimately claim that another pound demanded by Pacquiao for him to lose after conceding a couple already is simply overkill. He may very well agree to the 143 catch-weight because the money will be too hard to pass up, but beating Cotto because he is dehydrated nullifies the glory of the victory. The money Pacquiao will make will still be glorious but fans don't get any of the money fighters make anyway so why concern themselves with that. If we're talking about legacy, which I’m sure Pacquiao and his fans value, fighting Cotto at 145-144 which Cotto said he could swing, is enough to keep the fight legitimate. Anything lower than that would somewhat be an abuse of power. That's not what Pacquiao's career and legacy has been about. His mystique is that of an underdog that took on all challenges, not the bully who strongarms and takes advantage of his leverage. And being that he's on the way out, why would he want to taint that image now?
Remember how you felt when you found out Pacquiao was forced to wear Winning gloves instead of his Cleto Reyes punching gloves in his loss to Morales?
In my perfect world, I’d rather Pacquiao really just fight Cotto straight-up at 147 if he really feels he can beat him. Win or lose, there will be no shame in that. If he doesn't feel he can beat Cotto fair and square, then find somebody at 140 and sacrifice a few million dollars for taking a lesser risk. There’s no shame staying at your rightful weight class and sweeping the belts. I believe in earning whatever it is you get in life. To this point, I believe Pacquiao earned everything he has achieved and should be fully credited for all of his victories including his beating of De la Hoya. If he however insists on having Cotto go down to a weight the Puerto Rican already mentioned he couldn’t make and would be extremely uncomfortable with, then a victory over Cotto at 143 will definitely feel half-baked. It’s almost as if it’s not boxing anymore and turns the contest away from Pacquiao versus Cotto into Cotto versus the scales. The biggest payday of his life would be too hard to pass up though for Cotto that 143 would be a bait he might actually just bite.
That isn’t really what Manny Pacquiao has been about though. Pacquiao’s legacy has always been about taking the biggest and most dangerous challenges. That’s how he earned the Mexicans’ respect by beating all their legends. That’s how he made Americans look and remember his name after beating De la Hoya. That’s how he turned the Brits into believers after beating Hatton. What would beating-up a reluctant and drained Cotto at 143 do? He's already the Pound-For-Pound king, why would he want to be called the Drain-Your-Pounds King?
I’m not saying Cotto can’t win and that Pacquiao will have a walk in the park if they do face at 143, but it will definitely take away from the achievement if Manny wins. Most of you might disagree with me, and that's cool, but this is just my take on it; my honest 2 cents. 147 would be perfect, but 144-145 is enough for the fight to make sense.
It makes senses since we keep hearing about oscar being drained for losing weight. It takes away from pacman's win over oscar.
what i dont get is why people are already complaining when there hasnt been a formal press release with Arum, PAC or Roach saying 'no fight unless its at 143'...
when you're dealing with multi-million dollar fights, advisers will be there and back n forth tweaking by both camps happen
Exactly, let's see what the official weight is then we'll know who the bitch is. If it's cotto, we'll say it. If it's pacman we'll surely say it.
Without cotto, mosley,margarito, clottey and floyd....pacman would be fighting hatton again. You want that welterweight title, then fight like a welterweight, fight like the way the welterweight fight....146-147 or else go fight the 140lb fighters. You know all this is making pacman look bad, not cotto.
pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
See this is what i hate when guys like you are slamming nationalities for no reason. You need to cancel the fight because instead of fighting, pacman's people are the ones that don't want the fight. They keep changing their minds. 70-30, 65-35, 145, 144, 143. Damn it, just make it 145 and take your damn 65-35 split, that way each side wins.
yeah bro I know its his team but it's not like Manny is some helpless enuch with no control over what happens he should finally say this is what I want this it what I will accept if we can agree to that then a fight is made!
in all honesty unless a reasonable catch weight is made (IMO 145) then Cotto should move on, take on Shane in a rematch and let Manny try and find an opponent
I hear Edner Cherry is available
:rofl:
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prime oscar can't fight speedy southpaw let alone a legend like manny...
pac would make a prime oscar look old and weight drained :boxing:
:rofl: :rofl: This is the funniest shit I've read all day!!
yeah bro I know its his team but it's not like Manny is some helpless enuch with no control over what happens he should finally say this is what I want this it what I will accept if we can agree to that then a fight is made!
in all honesty unless a reasonable catch weight is made (IMO 145) then Cotto should move on, take on Shane in a rematch and let Manny try and find an opponent
I hear Edner Cherry is available
I dont get this
I mean shouldn't you want your opponent to not have any excuses leading up to a fight? If so then wouldn't you want to have your opponent fight at their optimal?
forcing Cotto down to a weight we all know he would have issues with, considering his past issues making 140, just doesn't seem right
maybe we should change Manny's mantra from
Manny just wants to fight the best
to
Manny wants to fight the best only if they fight at some absurd stipulations
dont make 2 much sense..... they might label you as a BIASED RICAN.
but i wouldnt say manny.. i would say.. roach & many's advisors.
pac/cotto should be canceled because every fockin day ricans cry, bitch, complain and moan about the catchweight.
I'm seriously, u ricans don't deserve it. Pac should fight someone who's fans don't bitch and moan so much.
Please email miguel-cotto@gmail.com and tell him not to make the fight.
The catchweight is NOTHING compared to the cries of Margarito.