give ortiz a break, he's still got a promising future

yeah i bet you have better homosexual...i mean "ground game" skills than him. Is this the new online kindergarden forum?

:haha:Zelenoff vs. Cuba Montana, who wins? Cuba Montana, Zelenoff has got no ground game! :D

ortiz never targeted pac.. it was the delusional mexicans (not all mexicans mind you) talking all kinds of trash. lol I told them not to rush ortiz or else he'd end up like vargas, but as is, if ortiz followed in vargas' footsteps he'd be blessed. Yeah, pretty important not to put too much pressure on a fighter too early... just like you said Vargas was rushed and my mate who is a HUGE fan of him stands by his opinion that Vargas was never the same after the Trinidad fight. He shouldn't be rushed, don't run before you can walk...

Fight him in the ring, see what happens... we got another internet tough guy here guys... if you love ground work so much, go watch MMA. :haha:Zelenoff vs. Cuba Montana, who wins?

Did you know that Floyd Mayweather is the best of all time? Better than Ali, Leonard, Robinson. :D JK... :rofl: ortiz never targeted pac.. it was the delusional mexicans (not all mexicans mind you) talking all kinds of trash. lol I told them not to rush ortiz or else he'd end up like vargas, but as is, if ortiz followed in vargas' footsteps he'd be blessed.

Oh and fans can say what the hell they like, they can call someone a pussy if they like and I bet I'd **** Ortiz up cause he's got no ground game and I'd just take him to the floor and choke the bitch till he cried like the bitch he is! Fight him in the ring, see what happens... we got another internet tough guy here guys... if you love ground work so much, go watch MMA.

What the hell are you guys talking about, did you watch the fight? He's got no heart, he quit in a match he was winning. He was lucky that the ref announced it was a cut stoppage after Ortiz seemed to verbally want to quit and by turning his back on the ref he demonstrated he is a fighter with no heart. He even said he has to re-evaluate everything because he was found wanting against a more determined fighter with experience. If he doesn't show the determination to be a true world champ, there's no point discussing anything about what he talks about and who he's pussyhole promoters are........He quit just like De La Hoya....... What the hell is happening with this generation of Mexican American fighters who don't have the pride of the true Mexican's in them it seems? It's too much of that easy living and a desperation of networks and promoters wanting to endorse every one of their prospects as the next big thing.......Same thing happened with Khan, hyped too quickly but at least the boy has never quit like this punk Ortiz. I use to love Mexican fighters but these candy floss American Mexicana's bring shame to the honour of true Mexican warriors! Okay, Ortiz has no heart what so ever, he quit like a punk...these candyfloss American Mexican's bring shame to the true Mexican warriors... They are pussy's with know heart or determination... Hey I got an idea, why don't you join a Boxing club, get in the ring... turn professional, and show them how its done?

Oh and fans can say what the hell they like, they can call someone a pussy if they like and I bet I'd **** Ortiz up cause he's got no ground game and I'd just take him to the floor and choke the bitch till he cried like the bitch he is!

he broke my jaw when he was 10 while i was in community college...true story! Bullshit! Sorry but its hard to believe... :lol1: You mean Ortiz? Damn right, I can't give you any more K but when I can you'll get some because that's what I've been trying to say, people are giving shit to Ortiz don't realize that they are living behind a computer criticizing professional boxers. Too right, green on its way if it lets me... The thing is, we can debate about Boxers... say he isn't very powerful at the weight, etc. but we can't call a Boxer a pussy... especially when they are fighting at world level, that's just crazy...

What the hell are you guys talking about, did you watch the fight? He's got no heart, he quit in a match he was winning. He was lucky that the ref announced it was a cut stoppage after Ortiz seemed to verbally want to quit and by turning his back on the ref he demonstrated he is a fighter with no heart. He even said he has to re-evaluate everything because he was found wanting against a more determined fighter with experience. If he doesn't show the determination to be a true world champ, there's no point discussing anything about what he talks about and who he's pussyhole promoters are........He quit just like De La Hoya....... What the hell is happening with this generation of Mexican American fighters who don't have the pride of the true Mexican's in them it seems? It's too much of that easy living and a desperation of networks and promoters wanting to endorse every one of their prospects as the next big thing.......Same thing happened with Khan, hyped too quickly but at least the boy has never quit like this punk Ortiz. I use to love Mexican fighters but these candy floss American Mexicana's bring shame to the honour of true Mexican warriors!

Well said, also the people who are saying he is a "pussy"... they should go in the ring against him themselves and see how long they last... no professional Boxer can be considered a pussy they have balls to get in the ring in the first place. Damn right, I can't give you any more K but when I can you'll get some because that's what I've been trying to say, people are giving shit to Ortiz don't realize that they are living behind a computer criticizing professional boxers.

yeah, that's the problem right there. people talk too much shit and can't back up their talk. Did you know that Floyd Mayweather is the best of all time? Better than Ali, Leonard, Robinson. :D JK... :rofl:

just because people were willing to say he'd beat pacquiao right now everyone is making fun of the kid, he's 22 younger than me! so give the guy a break, he fought the wrong fight and he will be back stronger than ever. i don't know how you can hate the boy either when he talks as well as he does, very charismatic and hopeful for his future. Well said, also the people who are saying he is a "pussy"... they should go in the ring against him themselves and see how long they last... no professional Boxer can be considered a pussy they have balls to get in the ring in the first place.

just because people were willing to say he'd beat pacquiao right now everyone is making fun of the kid, he's 22 younger than me! so give the guy a break, he fought the wrong fight and he will be back stronger than ever. i don't know how you can hate the boy either when he talks as well as he does, very charismatic and hopeful for his future. yeah, that's the problem right there. people talk too much shit and can't back up their talk.

Ortiz will be back

I think he'll come good. A defeat isn't the end of the world. A prospect should use a defeat as a learning curve to improve and get better. The same thing happened to Khan. Unfortunately for world class prospects like those guys, there defeats get magnified because of the 'Overhyped' tag they get labeled with. People need to remember that guys like Ortiz and Khan are still learning their trade. As a Khan fan however, i do find this whole thing ironic. A little humble pie is needed for the guys who slagged off Khan rotten for his defeat, while at the same time those guys where saying Ortiz was a future P4P#1 who would KO Pacquiao. co-sign homey.

i said the same thing after khan lost to prescott, prospects need more time they are rushed too fast!

I think he'll come good. A defeat isn't the end of the world. A prospect should use a defeat as a learning curve to improve and get better. The same thing happened to Khan. Unfortunately for world class prospects like those guys, there defeats get magnified because of the 'Overhyped' tag they get labeled with. People need to remember that guys like Ortiz and Khan are still learning their trade. As a Khan fan however, i do find this whole thing ironic. A little humble pie is needed for the guys who slagged off Khan rotten for his defeat, while at the same time those guys where saying Ortiz was a future P4P#1 who would KO Pacquiao.

He should have actually won, but he fought like a moron. He'd win the rematch if their is one though.