Floyd Mayweather Has NEVER Ducked ANYONE

the first post makes sense the haters are saying they would wanna see him fight marg instead of the lineal 147 champ? if he would of done that we would be saying he ducked baldy. the hating never stops

after seeing your username, i decided NOT to read anything you wrote its actually pretty insightful... in reality you've read it and probably dont have anything to say, so silence is the next best thing

I don't know about ducking but I know Floyd has made a lot of big fights for boxing happen also. Its funny because they claim he ducked the overrated Mexican hype job & cheater Margarito to fight the true linear WW champion Baldomir. Now who will history judge as a more respected champion? Baldomir or Margarito? I rest my case haters.

As Bruce once said: "We need emotional content. Not anger." http://aura.gaia.com/photos/12/116291/large/Bruce_Lee_Bg.jpg indeed........

right :lol1: simple minded ass posters..... this single post is really making it hard for haters this isnt directed at people who just dont like floyd, thats fine.. but to haters who have no validity behind the dislike As Bruce once said: "We need emotional content. Not anger." http://aura.gaia.com/photos/12/116291/large/Bruce_Lee_Bg.jpg

Floyd "retired" so he wouldn't have to fight any welterweights. The thread starter is ridiculous. He actually retired frustrated he couldn't get more money out of Oscar for the rematch. Wasn't worried about those other guys at that point.

If you never gave the thread a chance by reading the opening post how can you laugh at the thread? right :lol1: simple minded ass posters..... this single post is really making it hard for haters this isnt directed at people who just dont like floyd, thats fine.. but to haters who have no validity behind the dislike

I Stop reading at the title LMAO at the thread!!!!!! If you never gave the thread a chance by reading the opening post how can you laugh at the thread?

For the critics of Floyd Mayweather Jr., there seems to be no middle-ground; No possibility whatsoever that what they say and what they've heard is not the absolute gospel. Mayweather ducked all the best fighters at Welterweight...and that's the end of the conversation for them. They point to names like Cotto, Mosley and Margarito and then point to Mayweather's ring record. "He fought none of them! None of the best Welterweights of today!" But when we look deeper and dig a little further we begin to see the holes in their arguments. The timelines don't match up and for Mayweather to have truly fought the list of fighters he allegedly ducked, it would've required him to do some time-bending that would put to shame anything ever written by H.G. Wells. Floyd Mayweather is an outstanding fighter, but he is most definitely no match for the space-time continuum. So, timeline and ring records in hand, I'm going to run through the list of fighters that Mayweather is accused of ducking and demonstrate how things aren't always as they appear to be and that perception sometimes overrides reality. I intend to show that the fighters in question were, for the most part, fringe players when Mayweather was active and, therefore, not even worthy of a fight, much less fearsome enough to be ducked. I'll cover the portion of his career from April of 2006, as Mayweather prepared to fight Zab Judah in his first major bout at Welterweight until his official retirement after the Ricky Hatton bout in December of 2007. Antonio Margarito The tale of Mayweather ducking Margarito has been passed down from message board to message board and from blog to blog, but it has very little validity when examined. When Mayweather was about to fight Judah, Margarito was just coming off a fourteen month layoff and had just defended his WBO title against dubious challenger, Manuel Gomez. Margarito would go on to take another ten month hiatus before fighting an, at the time, unknown Joshua Clottey. Margarito was being outclassed early on until Clottey suffered injuries to his hands and had to spend the last two-thirds of the bout just surviving. It was hardly a star-making performance by "The Tijuana Tornado." Margarito would follow the Clottey win with a loss to Paul Williams followed by a comeback blow-out against journeyman Golden Johnson. Margarito's popularity and credibility as a top challenger wouldn't ****e until his win over Miguel Cotto—about eight months after Mayweather's retirement. While Mayweather was chasing the lineal 147 lb. championship and beating Ring Magazine's No. 1 and No. 2 ranked Welterweights at the time, Margarito was well in the background as an inactive fringe champion who was only known among a relative few hardcore fans and had yet to set himself apart. Shane Mosley The ducking of "Sugar Shane" accusation is a relative new one, but let's examine the time line of this one as well. When Mayweather was staking his claim in the division, Mosley was one division to the North at 154 going toe-to-toe with Fernando Vargas in a pair of bouts. Mosley then came down to 147 where he had a very impressive performance against Luis Collazo. However, a month before Mayweather's retirement, Mosley would lose a close unanimous decision to Miguel Cotto. In reality, Mayweather and Mosley only shared the division for about ten months- a period of time that saw Mosley win one and lose one. This hardly established a burning case for a Mayweather-Mosley showdown. Paul Williams Frankly put, Williams and Mayweather only shared a prominent role in the Welterweight division for about five months, between his win over Margarito and his stunning upset loss to Carlos Quintana. Mayweather could've rushed in and forced a fight with the tall, awkward southpaw, but nobody was rushing to fight Williams and the upset loss effectively cut him from the picture for the time being. Miguel Cotto Cotto wasn't even in the same division as Mayweather until a month after Mayweather became the lineal world champ by outclassing Baldomir. That adds up to about a year where both fighters were even in the same division. Cotto earned his spot at the top of 147 by beating Judah and Mosley in exciting, well-attended, but ultimately disappointing PPV shows. Mayweather, in almost direct point/counterpoint was busy taking part in the biggest PPV of all-time (vs. Oscar de la Hoya) and a near-million seller (vs. Hatton). By the time Cotto had established himself as a player at Welterweight, Mayweather already had plans to get out while still young. Could Mayweather have turned down the Oscar and Hatton fights to have it out with Cotto? Of course...but what fighters in history would turn down 20 million dollar checks and mega-events in favor of a third of the money and one-eighth the publicity? Final Analysis When looking back on Mayweather's recent career, we have to be careful to put things into their proper perspective and clearly analyze what went down- not with the negative benefit of hindsight, but with the ability to fairly see things as they were. When Mayweather first moved up to Welterweight, he called out a Zab Judah who had just ripped Cory Spinks to shreds and was ranked on many pound-for-pound lists. Judah was, far and away, the consensus No. 1 Welterweight in the world. Judah ended up being upset by Carlos Baldomir and the the Argentinian became lineal champ. Mayweather beat Judah first and then went after Baldomir to complete his sweep of Ring Magazines top two rated Welters—Regardless of what would later on happen to the careers of the two Mayweather victims, they were considered the top two at the time. Then, the real public relations problems began for Mayweather. The newly-crowned lineal champ cashed in on his growing fame by opting for a huge money fight against De la Hoya; A fight that everyone from 140 to 154 would gladly have taken instead of a mandatory defense for a fraction of the money. The Hatton fight followed. Another blockbuster payday for a fighter just starting to make the mega-bucks of some of the other stars of the sport. If Mayweather's guilty of anything it's trying to cash in on a lifetime of hard work in order to secure his financial future after retirement. This is a crime that, in my opinion, is 100 percent forgivable in a sport that is famous for not taking care of its own after they cease to be vital. Mayweather could've insisted on fighting relative unknowns for fractions of what he could've made elsewhere, but what fighter given the same circumstances would do that? Right...none. So, while the name Floyd Mayweather may have a visceral effect in your belly and cause you to explode in a rage of self-righteous condemnation, I ask you to think. Are the timelines matched-up properly? Is it fair to ask a fighter to give up his biggest paydays in favor of bouts with your personal favorites? Is it intellectually honest to expect a 2006 Floyd Mayweather to beat 2009's best Welterweights? Step aside from the hyperbole and mob mentality when it comes to Floyd and put some serious analysis behind the rhetoric. We are unfairly putting Mayweather into the no-win situation of having to defend himself against allegations of ducking the best; Not the best fighters of his time, because he did beat them, but the fighters that would eventually go on to be the best welterweights nearly three years later. Mayweather can do a lot of things, but time travel is not one of them. This is a very well put point of view... i think this very post puts to shame 99% of all the "ducking" threads. :fing02: bolded part gets an extra :fing02:

I Stop reading at the title LMAO at the thread!!!!!! Do you really think Floyd ducked a bunch of fighters or do you just not like Floyd? Just asking.

You now that you pointed out yourself Ranking dont mean shit either lets face it Floyd turn down Margarito to Face a much easier oponent in Baldomir.He didnt face non of the top 5 and **** the ranking we all know who was the best W.W out there at the time so plz throw in the towel theres nothing you can say that can change what the man did.Baldomir was num 1 but not the best and in our book that dnt count!!!!!! Also you get the facts straight they were going to fight in Manchester first then Floyd said no that he wanted it in Madison Square Garden then when they said yes Floyd wanted the fight in las Vegas so then Hatton camp said no!!!!! Who was Margarito when this all was going on? That is what people tend to forget. At this point in time if Floyd did a press conference and said he was fighting Margarito people would have had a field day. Brian K was already implying Floyd was ducking the true Welter weight champ. So instead of fighting the recognized Welterweight champion he should have fought a slow easy to hit guy that nobody had heard of? People tend to change history when this subject comes up. I could understand him fighting the Margarito that fought Cotto. That point in time it made sense. Him fighting Tony back then would be looked at as ducking the real champ in the division. Since that point in time we have learned that Tony would become a name and Baldomir's Glen Johnson like run would be over sooner than later. No way to know that at the time.

You now that you pointed out yourself Ranking dont mean shit either lets face it Floyd turn down Margarito to Face a much easier oponent in Baldomir.He didnt face non of the top 5 and **** the ranking we all know who was the best W.W out there at the time so plz throw in the towel theres nothing you can say that can change what the man did.Baldomir was num 1 but not the best and in our book that dnt count!!!!!! Also you get the facts straight they were going to fight in Manchester first then Floyd said no that he wanted it in Madison Square Garden then when they said yes Floyd wanted the fight in las Vegas so then Hatton camp said no!!!!! Don't cry, your getting really worked up... Answer me a question, was Baldomir or was he not the legitimate lineal champion ranked #1, known to be best in the division. Yes or No... Get my facts straight? When did I say it was a fact? I said I HEARD or READ it from somewhere and can't remember were... then I said I saw it in a video, they said "I spoke to Ricky Hatton's father and he said he isn't ready for me yet", ducking Hatton are you fucking serious? He was never ready for Mayweather... Okay, source?

The fact is, Baldomir was ranked number 1 at Welterweight, not Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams... you say "to be the best you have to beat the best" but at the end of the day Baldomir was a lineal #1 legitimate Welterweight champion at the time and nobody can deny that, the talk about Baldomir not being skilled is merely an opinion... but he was ranked #1 at Welterweight at the time. Nothing you say can discredit that. If you get your facts straight, Floyd offered a fight at 140 but Ricky's dad said he wasn't ready yet... His dad said he wasn't ready, it was straight after he beat Tzsyu... he wasn't ready for a guy like Floyd yet, you prove that Floyd ducked him at 140... you prove he didn't... You now that you pointed out yourself Ranking dont mean shit either lets face it Floyd turn down Margarito to Face a much easier oponent in Baldomir.He didnt face non of the top 5 and **** the ranking we all know who was the best W.W out there at the time so plz throw in the towel theres nothing you can say that can change what the man did.Baldomir was num 1 but not the best and in our book that dnt count!!!!!! Also you get the facts straight they were going to fight in Manchester first then Floyd said no that he wanted it in Madison Square Garden then when they said yes Floyd wanted the fight in las Vegas so then Hatton camp said no!!!!!

I'm glad someone can see how solid this post is. I can take no credit for writing it. I read it on another boxing website and was amazed at how well it debunked the rumors of Floyd ducking everyone under the sun. ** I flush solid daily without any credit whatsoever. You can read it here and be amazed as well.........:wow: Let's drop the quack-quacky talk and just euphemistically admit that since moving up to jr welt, Floydy dearest has been following the path of least resistance. Two title eliminators to fight the least among the 4 jr welt champs, then the fight against the disgraced Zabby. One can excuse his Baldy fight given that the ancient Sasquatch had lifted the WBC and Ring title from poor Zabby. One can also excuse the money fight with Oscar who was overrated near #1 at 154 in spite of only one win in something like 3 yrs. One can even excuse fighting the #1 jr welt at welt in another money fight, but when you figure in his career Floydy never held but 25% of the belts, and that only being the WBC belt, well, a BIG NEWSFLASH FOR YA: The number of champs he didn't meet probably out number his entire career record. Must be some sort of un-unified record there, but anyways, wake me up when he actually steps into the ring again. He retired in the middle of a much bigger promotion than Marquez, which sorta begs the question, is he even relevant now? Does he even know what he's doing any more?

LOLOL This is a funny, biased, one-sided article. Belongs on boxing talk with Greg Leon's fan babies. I honestly just don't feel like doing all the typing necessary to straighten this post out. Most serious fans can sort through it on their own, and the ones who can't are Mayweather Mafia and think he shits gold and platinum and has never ducked anyone. The majority of his big fights have been fighting naturally smaller fighters, or cherry picking fighters at the right time of their career, etc. He's a very skilled fighter. But he's had really only a handful of fights with guys who are genuine welters and jr middles, which is his natural size. And the list of fighters who we would've rather have seen him fight as opposed to who he actually fought is a mile long (and growing). Marquez has no chance, he's just too small of a guy. Lengthen each of Marquez's limbs by a few inches and give him about 10 more lbs of natural, lean muscle and I think he beats Mayweather. Because he'd be roughly the same size. The fight is going to be competitive at the beginning, but end up a joke. It's going to look like what it is, and what many of Mayweather's fights have been... two fighters in distinctly different weight classes fighting. It means the world below middleweight, which Floyd knows well. Bottom line. The best and most dangerous fighters in welter or jr middle over the past few years. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Mosely, etc. We would've all liked to have seen any one of them. It doesn't surprise me that he makes his comeback when Margarito and Williams disappeared from the picture, Cotto's been beaten to a pulp, and SSM turns back the clock for a phenomenal performance but is getting too long in the tooth to keep that pace for another couple years. If he fought those 4 fighters in the past 2 years, he'd be 2-2 against them at best. That's reality. Floyd knows it. That's why he tip-toed around em all. you can't blame floyd exclusively for why fights w/ cotto and mosley didn't come off.

LOLOL This is a funny, biased, one-sided article. Belongs on boxing talk with Greg Leon's fan babies. I honestly just don't feel like doing all the typing necessary to straighten this post out. Most serious fans can sort through it on their own, and the ones who can't are Mayweather Mafia and think he shits gold and platinum and has never ducked anyone. The majority of his big fights have been fighting naturally smaller fighters, or cherry picking fighters at the right time of their career, etc. He's a very skilled fighter. But he's had really only a handful of fights with guys who are genuine welters and jr middles, which is his natural size. And the list of fighters who we would've rather have seen him fight as opposed to who he actually fought is a mile long (and growing). Marquez has no chance, he's just too small of a guy. Lengthen each of Marquez's limbs by a few inches and give him about 10 more lbs of natural, lean muscle and I think he beats Mayweather. Because he'd be roughly the same size. The fight is going to be competitive at the beginning, but end up a joke. It's going to look like what it is, and what many of Mayweather's fights have been... two fighters in distinctly different weight classes fighting. It means the world below middleweight, which Floyd knows well. Bottom line. The best and most dangerous fighters in welter or jr middle over the past few years. Cotto, Margarito, Williams, Mosely, etc. We would've all liked to have seen any one of them. It doesn't surprise me that he makes his comeback when Margarito and Williams disappeared from the picture, Cotto's been beaten to a pulp, and SSM turns back the clock for a phenomenal performance but is getting too long in the tooth to keep that pace for another couple years. If he fought those 4 fighters in the past 2 years, he'd be 2-2 against them at best. That's reality. Floyd knows it. That's why he tip-toed around em all.

i never said floyd ducked riccky at 140 but i dont believe floyd offered him the fight at 140.... i agree,floyd punked out to fight ricky at his best natural weight of 140... Enough said...

lyin ass....lol!.....quisqueya's a liar too....lol...maybe...nevermind...!..lol We have Ricky "The Hitman" Hatton who is undefeated at 140 lbs.. facing arguably the best pound for pound best fighter in the world, Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao. Pacman is coming off his biggest win and one of the biggest upsets in boxing history with his one-sided drubbing of Hall of Fame fighter, Oscar De La Hoya. No one gave Pacman a chance against De La Hoya, including me. No one also thought that we would see De La Hoya perform like a weight-drained punching bag against Pacman. A prime, well-conditioned De La Hoya would make Pacman look like an undersized amateur. Not to take anything away from Pacman because he is a great fighter. I just believe that if De La Hoya had not been weight drained the size advantage combined with De La Hoya's superior boxing ability would have been too much for the much smaller and less skilled Pacman. Hatton's biggest win by far is his victory over Kostya Tsyzu. No one thought Hatton would defeat him, especially in the manner in which he did. Much like Pacman did to De La Hoya, making him quit on his stool. However, Hatton has never rivaled such a victory as that since then. His victories over Luis Collazo at 147 lbs. and Jose Luis Castillo were very lackluster. He beat up Castillo who was a mere shell of the man who had once given Floyd Mayweather, Jr. his toughest match and defeated the late Diego Corales. His victory against Collazo was a gimme in the minds of many observers that night, especially considering Collazo was the champ at the time. It also prompted Hatton to immediately move back down to 140 lbs. and make his infamous quote " I'm not ready for the likes of a Mayweather perhaps after a few more fights." We all know what happened when he did step into the ring with the then pound for pound king, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. Hatton made a brilliant move however, in firing his former trainer Billy Graham and hiring Floyd Mayweather, Sr. Although his performance against Paulie Malignaggi was far from awe inspiring it showed marked improvement in his boxing skills under the tutelage of Floyd, Sr. Pacman, unlike Hatton, has shown consistent progress and improvement with each fight. He has evolved from a come forward, wild swinging, overly aggressive brawler to more of skilled boxer-puncher. This evolution has allowed Pacquiao to move up in weight and remain very successful. This is also a testament to the brilliant training of Freddie Roach. I'm against boxers playing musical chairs with trainers especially when it's not necessary. Oscar De La Hoya is a poster child for firing and hiring trainers like he's changing clothes. I believe his career suffered somewhat because of it. Pacman wisely stuck with Roach and is reaping the benefits of growing and learning together. Got this from; http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=19653&more=1 I heard from somewhere or read from somewhere a while back that Hatton's dad also said that his son isn't ready for Mayweather yet but it was that long ago can't remember were I got it from. Plus it was that long ago that it is hard to find sources on. Anyway its still a source to say that Hatton wasn't ready for him at the time. EDIT: I remember now, I heard Floyd say it in a video...

Yea by admission they guy wasnt even the best at the weight and lets be for real who did you want to watch more Floyd vs Gotti,Baldomir or Floyd against Margocheato,Pwill,Mosley or Cotto???i know your thinking the latter cuz if not then you a nuthugger!!!!! The fact is, Baldomir was ranked number 1 at Welterweight, not Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Williams... you say "to be the best you have to beat the best" but at the end of the day Baldomir was a lineal #1 legitimate Welterweight champion at the time and nobody can deny that, the talk about Baldomir not being skilled is merely an opinion... but he was ranked #1 at Welterweight at the time. Nothing you say can discredit that. i agree,floyd punked out to fight ricky at his best natural weight of 140... If you get your facts straight, Floyd offered a fight at 140 but Ricky's dad said he wasn't ready yet... lol..why would they turn it down when its hatton natural and best weight?....stop making shit up......proof His dad said he wasn't ready, it was straight after he beat Tzsyu... he wasn't ready for a guy like Floyd yet, you prove that Floyd ducked him at 140... you prove he didn't...

Only by meth addicts. Hatton is naturally bigger than Floyd...He could have fought Mayweather at 140 but punked-out.. hatton outweighs floyd on fight night, but I think floyd is as strong if not stronger than hatton. floyd is a strong dude for his size.