For having such a violent, agressive style, Mexican fights don't show too much...

Well there's exception to the rule but most of the fighters you named don't sound THAT bad....most. I do agree, you would think some Mexican fighters would be more punch drunk with thier style of fighting. Someone like JCC with over 100 fights and the shots he took should be like that but he's not. He's drunk all the time but he's not punch drunk.....haha Most don't sound that bad?? Being punchy is being punchy, the guys I named are either punchy as fuk or showing some serious signs of Pugilistic dementia. I think the Chavez example is fine but there are plenty of fighters like Hagler,Lamotta,Foreman,Arguello,Chuvalo,Archie Moore who were in some serious wars and talk/talked perfectly clear. Also Chavez had underrated defense, he slipped a lot of punches when in his prime and he didn't start fighting serious fighters until well into 40 fights.

It has nothing to do with race, plenty of Mexicans are punchy or punch drunk. Bobby Chacon Fernando Vargas Bazooka Limon Lupe Pintor Gabe Ruelas Israel Vasquez - He's already sounding punchy. I also think it has a lot to do with how you treat your body outside of the ring/Genetics, how much punishment you take in sparring/when you decide to hang them up. Well there's exception to the rule but most of the fighters you named don't sound THAT bad....most. I do agree, you would think some Mexican fighters would be more punch drunk with thier style of fighting. Someone like JCC with over 100 fights and the shots he took should be like that but he's not. He's drunk all the time but he's not punch drunk.....haha

It has nothing to do with race, plenty of Mexicans are punchy or punch drunk. Bobby Chacon Fernando Vargas Bazooka Limon Lupe Pintor Gabe Ruelas Israel Vasquez - He's already sounding punchy. I also think it has a lot to do with how you treat your body outside of the ring/Genetics, how much punishment you take in sparring/when you decide to hang them up.

All BS aside, I think it is genetics. Think about the one thing that Mexican fighters are known for....... Being able to take a serious punch right? There was also a report back in the day that talked about why black athletes are so much better than other athletes from different races. They talked about that fast twitch muscle fiber black athletes have, more so than other races. I'm Mexican and I'm not trying to be funny but the Mexican "race" comes from the migration of Asians crossing the Bearing Straights into N. America. Mexicans and Asians have a lot of the same caracteristics, especially Philipino's. I think it is genetics, Mexicans just some how absorb punishment better for some odd reason. The same reason you never really see a fast Mexican fighter. I mean JMM, DLH, some Mexican fighters coem to mind but when was the last time you saw a Mexican fighter that had the speed of a Ray Leonard or Pernel Whitaker?

I do know 2 prime candidates.... 1. hector macho camacho 2. ricardo mayorga try actually listing mexicans next time

I do know 2 prime candidates.... 1. hector macho camacho 2. ricardo mayorga

Per capita, I'd say blacks seem to come out the worse for wear when their careers are over. Idk what it is.. that's respectable, k now that i think about it, it does seem that way

I doubt it. Hagler started getting hit a lot as his career went on and had a pretty long career too, and he sounds perfectly fine. Im not sure how Dwight Muhammed Qawi is doing, but he would fit in this equation perfectly. not only did he take plenty of punishment in his career, he even took it from Holyfield and Foreman and fought on too long in his career. if you can find an interview of him and see if he slurs at all, it might answer your question. it might be genetically linked though, because all the Quarry brothers had problems with brain injuries I believe. Per capita, I'd say blacks seem to come out the worse for wear when their careers are over. Idk what it is..

I honestly think black people might be somehow more genetically predisposed to being punch drunk. What do you guys think? No flames, btw.. I'm black. Just saying.. I doubt it. Hagler started getting hit a lot as his career went on and had a pretty long career too, and he sounds perfectly fine. Im not sure how Dwight Muhammed Qawi is doing, but he would fit in this equation perfectly. not only did he take plenty of punishment in his career, he even took it from Holyfield and Foreman and fought on too long in his career. if you can find an interview of him and see if he slurs at all, it might answer your question. it might be genetically linked though, because all the Quarry brothers had problems with brain injuries I believe.

I honestly think black people might be somehow more genetically predisposed to being punch drunk. What do you guys think? No flames, btw.. I'm black. Just saying..

You my friend simply don't live in reality. Your sorry ass punches doesn't have more effect than a 200+ fighters. That is common sense. James Toney was knocked down by Peters jab for Christ sake, A full power full for a LW is not even 1/10th punch of a grazing shot from a heavyweight. That is common sense. I would rather get a shot from Duran then a grazing shot from a HWthats ridiculous. are you trying to tell me that Joe Frazer doesnt hit as hard as Valuev? Valuev weighs about 120lbs more than Frazier did. weight doesnt matter as much as some people think, although it obviously cant be ignored either. and Toney was off balance from the jab, and not hurt in the least. Toney took all of Peter's hardest shots in the first fight, and was only momentarily shaken. not nearly as hurt as when he got knocked down by Reggie Johnson

What type of heavyweights did he spar with, fuking bums maybe. How much you weigh??? And how exactly do you know you hit harder than 230+ guys. Grazing punch from HW >>> 10 flush shots from a LWwell, I weigh about 155 or so, and my punches seem to have a lot more effect than most people who weigh 200+. I have no idea who Cuevas sparred with, but they were heavyweights, and you werent specific when you mentioned heavyweights, were you? and why is it that a Reggie Johnson at 160lbs was able to stun and hurt James Toney, but the hardest(or 2nd hardest) puncher at heavyweight couldnt put him on the floor? flush punches makes a huge difference. Im not saying that an average punch from a lightweight is as strong as an average punch from a heavyweight or anything ridiculous, but a full powered flush shot from a lightweight definately hurts more than a grazing shot from an average heavyweight

Shane's nose is screwed-up..that's why he talks like that..he's far from punchy. He says he's having it fixed when he retires. C'mon man. The nose might be the reason his voice sounds the way it does but it aint the reason the words don't flow as easily anymore.

A mexican was killed in the ring a few months ago..another died after a fight. Zak Padilla collapsed after sparring Shane Mosley and needed his skull opened. Vargas is punchy.. Chacon is fried. Oscar sounded punchy after the forbes fight. I bet there are many fighters down mexico way that are punch-drunk. So you're saying Mexicans have the highest death rate in boxing? Because your posts seems like its indicating that Mexicans make up the largest figure fatalities. That would be the only reason you're stating it or you would just be listing irrelevant occurrences. Still, you don't even address the thread. Please list all the punch drunk Mexican fighters. And stop trying to make this a Mexican vs. African thread.

One punch from a HW >>> 100 punches from Lightweightsah, thats baloney. Pipino Cuevas used to spar heavyweights, and outpunched them. I myself hit harder than most 230+ guys, at least from the silly unskilled boxing I do with friends occasionally. Im not a lightweight, but still a flush punch from a good lightweight puncher>a grazing punch from your average heavyweight

The hate for Mexicans on these forums is beyond human comprehension. Retards are retards, bro. Only a real moron wouldn't appreciate and respect (not to mention enjoy) watching Mexicans goto work in the ring. Some of the shit I've read around here has been totally ignorant, racist shit.

Yep, For some reason alot of African-american fighter seem to end up slurring there words or sound punch drunk, Even Joe frazier sounds like that, Ken norton who i listen to in an interview recently sound pretty much punch drunk as well. If funny because you would expect someone like Duran or Erik Morales to sound like that. Ken Norton's speech is affected because of a horrible car accident that nearly took his life.

It's funny how slick-type fighters like Whitaker and Wilfred Benitez are punch drunk while people who weren't exactly defensive whizzes like George Chuvalo, George Foreman speak fine. I never understood that. IMO it has a lot to do with the way you treat your body and layoffs. The first 2 you mention were certified coke addicts that loved liquor and partying (btw, Benitez isn't just punch drunk, he has certified dementia). Chuvalo and Foreman are fighters that while they were fighting stayed in shape. It must have something to do with genetics too cuz I'm pretty sure Mosley doesn't treat his body like shit. With top fighters not staying in shape and treating their body like shit for 6 months in between fights you might be seeing a lot more of it.

Punch drunkenness. Of course, fighters with the typical brawling or agressive style burn out quicker. Can someone give me any examples of any mexican legends or fighters who sound punch drunk or show effects of their careers? Bobby Chacon is in bad shape. But it has nothing to do with ethnicity. It has to do with the individual and how it affects them. Goarge Chuvalo took massive punishment without going down but his mind is razor sharp and he shows no effects.

putting this Mexican business aside, even if you look at guys like George Chuvalo, Jake LaMotta and Carmen Basilio, they still sound great and their brains seems to function jsut fine, and theyre old as hell. ok well they dont sound great, but Basilio in particular is old as hell and is no worse off than any other man his age. and all of those guys took sick amounts of head punishment at times in their career, and werent that well known for their head movement(although LaMottas defensive ability was underrated) its because they knew how to tense up for the punches, imo. then look some guys who were defensively oriented, and they get much more easily brain damaged. at least thats what it seems like.