If Ward-Miranda had a non-corrupt Ref he didn't allow excessive holding

The holding was bad, but not crazy. Abraham probably held as much if not more in there first fight. If Miranda gets a new trainer (which I hear is a good possibility) I think he can be rebuilt. He has lost so much of what he was.... he should ask pavlik to give him his soul back

the holding was borderline bad imo, and only became excessive in the late rounds ... fight was decent imo and ward actually impressed me. he showed alotta wrinkles in his game i thought, even though miranda did look very one deminsional and amaturish.

ward beats miranda 10 times out of 10.

The holding was bad, but not crazy. Abraham probably held as much if not more in there first fight. If Miranda gets a new trainer (which I hear is a good possibility) I think he can be rebuilt. He has lost so much of what he was....

people exaggerate the holding, it wasn't THAT bad i enjoyed the fight

Ward would still win, problem is that Miranda only knows how to fight one way. Ward is too muti-dimensional.

Ward was fighting no different than Bernard Hopkins has on multiple occasions. He was doing some hugging, but nothing overly excessive.

Lets face it. Maranda looked like a Drunken Barroom Brawler that was already beaten up earlier in the night in there. I like Miranda, but cannot say I care if I ever watch him fight again. He has slid down his slippery slope so much, he has nothing left. Before he at least had some timing there and could make a fight interesting. Now I don't think he does. He was throwing right hands in places where Ward was not even at!LOL

I like this thread, right now I'm watching a beautiful half naked women exercise. That was the point, right?..

Worst thread in boxingscene history. And you're one of the worst posters on this forum, and you post the most idiotic posts on this forum. Now go back to smoking your crack.

I picked Miranda to win, hate holding, and yet didn't notice anything excessive. I've seen much worse holding go unpunished.

Yeah, because of that one fight, I root against him. That was another level, that was Wlad 2x + Elbows/ Forearms + Cory Spinks Damn, that cracked me up :rofl:

Download the fight and you tell me if I'm exaggerating, I sure the hell don't think I am. Ward would throw a punch then clinch, and throw a punch then clinch!!! He started excessively clinch around the 3rd round and it went on for the rest of the fight! Yeah, because of that one fight, I root against him. That was another level, that was Wlad 2x + Elbows/ Forearms + Cory Spinks

I picked Miranda to win, hate holding, and yet didn't notice anything excessive.

I did not see the fight, was Andre allowed to hold excessively?... Download the fight and you tell me if I'm exaggerating, I sure the hell don't think I am. Ward would throw a punch then clinch, and throw a punch then clinch!!! He started excessively clinching around the 3rd round and it went on for the rest of the fight!

I did not see the fight, was Andre allowed to hold excessively?...