few key points from an interview on fighthype
floyd says "no way in hell paquiao is getting 50/50 it has to be 60/40 in his favor."
"he sold more ppv with brass boy & get hitman than pacman"
"he moving shane down on his hit list since he is being disrespectful"
"he made more money in his last to fights than shane made his whole career & shane shouldnt be talking bout money with him"
if this is the case we can kiss pacmn/floyd fight good bye.
if he moved shane down on the hit list & he aint settling for 60/40 & 50/50 against pacman, who will he fight next?
is this premature ducking excuses?
the interview is on fighthype i wish i could post the link but im posting from my phone & it cant do attachments.
anybody saying Pacquiao deserves more money than Floyd need to answer this question.. Who can make more money without the other? and that answer will give who should get the bigger share. Floyd does not need Pacquiao to make 15-20 Million... But Pacquiao does need Floyd to make 15-20 Million.. So thats all you need to know when discussing who should get the bigger share.. Floyd does not need Pacquiao to make 15-20 Million as he is proving with JMM.. But Pacquaio can not make 15-20 without Floyd...and if so with who? the answer is pacman, hes the face of boxing and he's the number one name in boxing. floyd needs pac thats why he came out of retirement in the first place.
The only way I see Pac taking 40 is if the fight is held in Manila. That's what I hope anyways.
For some reason i like the ideal of the fight taking place in the philippines
i'll tell you why. because pac will walk away from the table if floyd gets too unreasonable.
look at what pac did w/ the hatton fight. pac was gonna walk away from the hatton fight and the only reason why it went through was because pac's non-alcoholic friend agreed to drink a few beers w/ pac. does that sound like a guy that gives a fukk??? pac aint like the rest of us, he doesn't gamble using logic.
pac has all the fame in the world. pac has more money than any pinoy. he can retire and become president of the phillipines. floyd needs to bend cause I KNOW pac will walk.
its either 50/50 or the fight ain't happening and floyd will have to retire AGAIN.
Arum is smarter than that though... he will know it is just negotiations and try to negotiate back towards making it 50/50.
Arum wants 60/40 just as much as Floyd... if Floyd goes in demanding 50/50 Arum will use the argument that he wants 60/40 to try and get more of the lions share... once Floyd says "I will go 50/50" if he does straight away he can't ask for more, that's what Gambler is saying.
They are both just demanding the lions share basically to find out how much they can get maximum, it will most likely end up being signed around 50/50 but they are just baiting each other to see how much they can get away with getting at maximum.
It is all just negotiations, you guys needn't to worry this fight will still most likely happen. It is very early days yet, he hasn't fought JMM yet and he has said he isn't over looking JMM cause he will be there to win, it is all just talk at the moment... if Floyd beats JMM, then there will be plenty of time for them to sort it out between them.
i'll tell you why. because pac will walk away from the table if floyd gets too unreasonable.
look at what pac did w/ the hatton fight. pac was gonna walk away from the hatton fight and the only reason why it went through was because pac's non-alcoholic friend agreed to drink a few beers w/ pac. does that sound like a guy that gives a fukk??? pac aint like the rest of us, he doesn't gamble using logic.
pac has all the fame in the world. pac has more money than any pinoy. he can retire and become president of the phillipines. floyd needs to bend cause I KNOW pac will walk.
its either 50/50 or the fight ain't happening and floyd will have to retire AGAIN.
You guy talk like you are either pacman twin brother or Mayweather twin brother, How do you know that pacman would walk away from the negotation table if his demands are not met??
And how do you know that Mayweather's demand are going to be unreasonable???
Finally, You kept on mentioning how Mayweather would have to retire again, If he can make the reported $15m against JMM why would he need to retire if he can command that sort of amount against someone like JMM??
Why? All this talk is meaningless anyways, something said through the press is not what is really going on in someones head (especially in this situation where they are jockeying for position).
There is 0 reason for Floyd to act weak right now, he has to show a strong hand that is the best way to enter negotiations. If he showed weakness now what would it be like behind closed doors.
i'll tell you why. because pac will walk away from the table if floyd gets too unreasonable.
look at what pac did w/ the hatton fight. pac was gonna walk away from the hatton fight and the only reason why it went through was because pac's non-alcoholic friend agreed to drink a few beers w/ pac. does that sound like a guy that gives a fukk??? pac aint like the rest of us, he doesn't gamble using logic.
pac has all the fame in the world. pac has more money than any pinoy. he can retire and become president of the phillipines. floyd needs to bend cause I KNOW pac will walk.
its either 50/50 or the fight ain't happening and floyd will have to retire AGAIN.
fukk man, i'm getting anxious that the only way pac/floyd will happen is if floyd/jmm flops big time.
Why? All this talk is meaningless anyways, something said through the press is not what is really going on in someones head (especially in this situation where they are jockeying for position).
There is 0 reason for Floyd to act weak right now, he has to show a strong hand that is the best way to enter negotiations. If he showed weakness now what would it be like behind closed doors.
anybody saying Pacquiao deserves more money than Floyd need to answer this question..
Who can make more money without the other?
and that answer will give who should get the bigger share.
Floyd does not need Pacquiao to make 15-20 Million...
But Pacquiao does need Floyd to make 15-20 Million..
So thats all you need to know when discussing who should get the bigger share..
Floyd does not need Pacquiao to make 15-20 Million as he is proving with JMM..
But Pacquaio can not make 15-20 without Floyd...and if so with who?
fight cotto 143-147 next.
if a floyd fight still can't be made then fight mosley at 147 or marquez at 140.
retire.
pacquiao's legacy is secure. win or lose he's an all time great.
It is dumb to go into a negotiation with an offer of 50/50 if that is what you want though. It would be dumb for Manny to go in demanding 50/50, you have to give yourself some room to negotiate because if you go in asking for exactly what you want, you are likely to not get that (also if you start low you can't ask for more, but you can always scale back demands).
It is not an easy fight to make no doubt, but I doubt Floyd is going to be waiting on Manny (I am pretty sure Floyd would fight Mosley, if he can not get a Pacman fight for 2 reasons 1) he can make good money fighting Mosley also Sugar Shane does not really fight in a way that should worry Floyd 2) He would be cutting off one of Pacman's options).
Floyd also has a secure legacy, if they do not fight each other it would be a shame on both houses~.
50/50 is fair but it just shows a lot of hate to bash Floyd for saying 60/40 and not the Pacquiao camp for saying the same thing. The fight is going to happen regardless if Floyd beats JMM
It's official, fake Floyd scared of Pacquiao.:p
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Maybe now or soon the debate on who is a bigger draw will be in pacs favor. The exposure of his last two fights have garnered more attention imo for those outside of the normal boxing fans. Pacs fights with hittman and oscar were much more exciting than floyds maches with the same men. Manny has a more crowd pleasing style and that will start to pay dividends. There is one problem for Manny and that is geographicly. there are a lot more people on the Eastcoast than the west to manny's detriment as the eastcoast really supports thier boy. also not just georaghicly but the west coast has a much larger asian populaion as well so manny does not have as much help ethnicly on the eastcoast. as far as celebrity I think pac can outshine floyd and maybe the numbers will soon follow we will see.
It's actually probably pretty accurate. As good as Mosley has been he has never been the box office star. I think he made like 6 million tops in his first fight with Oscar and about 6 million for a rematch. He actually turned down 12 million for a third fight because he wouldn't accept less than 50/50. Against Vargas I think he made about 3 million each fight.
Can't say he moving Mosley down on this imaginative hit list wasn't expected.
And the second bolded quote is a flat out lie. Mosley made a pretty penny fighting Oscar twice, and collected a lot in the two Vargas fights.
LOL @ Floyd's short reigned "hit list". Mayweather should just retire if he's gonna make absurd demands for his possible fight against Pac. And at the same time Arum needs to go way himself! 50/50 is fair if anyone argues GTFO out of boxing!!!!!!!!!!
All of this talk from both camps is them jockeying for position for when Negotiations do start. Smarten up.
Have you heard Pac's Camp say they would take 50/50? no they have said 65-35 and 60-40 (Mayweather has too)
Like I said this is just jockeying for position.
Pac Camp are the ones that went Public first with what they would take or not take. So now Mayweather is doing the same.
Yep, anyway... we shouldn't be thinking about that yet anyway, he has another fight on his hands with JMM... people should wait until that's finished until thinking about negotiations.
All of this talk from both camps is them jockeying for position for when Negotiations do start. Smarten up.
Have you heard Pac's Camp say they would take 50/50? no they have said 65-35 and 60-40 (Mayweather has too)
Like I said this is just jockeying for position.
Pac Camp are the ones that went Public first with what they would take or not take. So now Mayweather is doing the same.
Since the Pacman will be the "STAR" in this show, he should get at the very minimum 75% of the proceeds. This is totally fair in my opinion. JAT :wave:
damn, i thought this sig would never end
damnit floyd 50/50 or ****ing stay retired!!!!
I think 50/50 is fair, but both sides are demanding 60/40, if Floyd or Arum go into the negotiations asking for 50/50, they are only gonna get less... and wont get any more... both going in there demanding 60/40 is a way to negotiate, because each will budge a bit to try and get as much as they can.
Example;
If Arum says he wants 60/40 for Pacquiao, and Floyd says 50/50 is only fair... Floyd will only ever get 50/50 against him MAXIMUM, and will most likely get lower because Arum will say no, 58/42, or something like that...
If Mayweather demands, 60/40, and Arum says 50/50... it will be exactly the same case but the other way round obviously.
If they both go in saying 50/50, it is perfect... but, at this level and the amount it is generating they are obviously gonna get as much as they possibly will get.
If both come in asking for 60/40, they have something to negotiate on... and they both then know that each of them doesn't have less chance of having less of the purse... they would probably negotiate, and the fight will most likely be signed at around 50/50.
50/50 is fair though, but at the end of the day, the fight isn't being negotiated yet... he has to get through JMM first, who can't be overlooked respectively.