Mosley, not Gayweather, is worthy of fan appreciation

Both men are warriors and deserve respect. **** the haters. Pretty much! Nice avatar man. Denzel Washington is the man!:)

Sugar Shane Mosley And Steroids By Matthew Hurley: Long held suspicions as to Sugar Shane Mosley’s use of steroids has once again arisen. In an article published by Sports Illustrated several sources who attended an international sports anti-doping conference in Colorado alleged that Mosley began taking steroids prior to his rematch with Oscar De La Hoya in September of 2003.. shane mosley Jeff Novitzky, a lead investigator in the ongoing BALCO case maintains that months prior to the bout Mosley began taking “the clear” and “the cream”, both designer substances that possibly enhance physical performance. According to Novitzky, Mosley also took the drug Erythropietin (EPO) which is a hormone that increases red blood production. Oscar also dealt with Fernando Vargas who tested positive for steroids after their 2002 bout – a fight in which Vargas came in markedly oversized. Golden Boy Promotions has, and probably will keep a tight lid on these recent allegations because Mosley is a vested partner in the company. This all comes on the heels of De La Hoya’s recent trials regarding illicit photographs that were published on the internet. Their worth notwithstanding, this is yet another headache that Golden Boy Promotions would rather not deal with. According to the Sports Illustrated report, provided by Luis Llosa and L. Jon Wertheim, evidence seized during the BALCO raid provided proof that blood work done on Mosely had established that his hematocrit level – a test that measures red blood cells – was 44. After Mosley allegedly began his doping regime his tests levels reached 52.2 which is abnormally high. According to the Sports Illustrated report Mosley’s last dose of EPO was given on September 8th which was five days before the scheduled bout with De La Hoya. Mosley went on to win a close decision against De La Hoya, due in most part because of his strong late round momentum. Whether or not this is indicative of steroid use will never really be known. Regardless, there will probably be no action, at least in the corner of Golden Boy Promotions to find out if these allegations are true because they would obviously rather keep this issue under wraps and in house. Mosley is set to square off against Miguel Cotto in a welterweight title bout on November 10th at Madison Square Garden. Golden Boy Promotions are representing the bout. As this article went to press Sugar Shane Mosley had no comment. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4137/balcosteroidsbarrybonds.gif

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BALCO doping calendars showed Shane Mosley’s EPO use http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4137/balcosteroidsbarrybonds.gif balco-steroids-barrybondsNew York Daily News has reviewed the doping calendars that were seized during the BALCO raids, as well as the recently released court transcripts of Shane Mosley’s grand jury testimony, and revealed the boxer had used performance-enhancing drugs in his preparation with his encounter against Oscar Dela Hoya in 2003. The court transcripts were formerly held at protective order until they were released by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston last Wednesday. From Daily News: Doping calendars seized in the BALCO raid show that champion boxer Shane Mosley scaled back his use of the notorious doping agent EPO in the two weeks before his Sept. 13 title fight with Oscar De La Hoya, as his blood grew unnaturally thick with oxygen-rich red blood cells. That corresponds with previous reports that seized medical records showed Mosley’s hematocrit – a measure of red blood cells, and therefore endurance – shooting up 8.2% in just two weeks. Hematocrit readings rarely fluctuate that much naturally, and usually linger in the low 40s for non-doping men. Anything over 50 will get an Olympic cyclist or marathon runner suspended from competition. Mosley jumped from 44 to 52.2 in two weeks as he prepared for the fight, according to a Sept. 28, 2007 report by Sports Illustrated. In his testimony in 2003, Mosley admitted he used the blood booster EPO and anabolic steroids he bought from BALCO for $1850. He also admitted he had used the designer drugs referred to as “the cream” and “the clear”, but he insisted publicly and in his testimony that he didn’t know they were either illegal or banned. Victor Conte, BALCO’s founder, however, said Mosley knew what he was taking. Conte is being sued for defamation by Mosley. Conte wrote said in a sworn statement submitted in the defamation case: “Specifically, I explained to Mr. Mosley and Mr. Hudson (Mosley’s trainer at the time) that ‘The Clear’ was an undetectable anabolic steroid and that ‘The Cream’ contained testosterone and epitestosterone. I explained that ‘The Cream’ was primarily to be used as a masking agent. I also explained that EPO increases the production of red blood cells, and therefore Mr. Mosley should take additional dietary supplements that aid in the manufacture of red blood cells, such as iron, vitamin C, vitamin E, folic acid, and vitamin B12. … There is no question that I informed Mr. Mosley that he was taking the three banned performance enhancing drugs.” yo horus man why u aint down with the mafia?

BALCO doping calendars showed Shane Mosley’s EPO use http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4137/balcosteroidsbarrybonds.gif balco-steroids-barrybondsNew York Daily News has reviewed the doping calendars that were seized during the BALCO raids, as well as the recently released court transcripts of Shane Mosley’s grand jury testimony, and revealed the boxer had used performance-enhancing drugs in his preparation with his encounter against Oscar Dela Hoya in 2003. The court transcripts were formerly held at protective order until they were released by U.S. District Judge Susan Illston last Wednesday. From Daily News: Doping calendars seized in the BALCO raid show that champion boxer Shane Mosley scaled back his use of the notorious doping agent EPO in the two weeks before his Sept. 13 title fight with Oscar De La Hoya, as his blood grew unnaturally thick with oxygen-rich red blood cells. That corresponds with previous reports that seized medical records showed Mosley’s hematocrit – a measure of red blood cells, and therefore endurance – shooting up 8.2% in just two weeks. Hematocrit readings rarely fluctuate that much naturally, and usually linger in the low 40s for non-doping men. Anything over 50 will get an Olympic cyclist or marathon runner suspended from competition. Mosley jumped from 44 to 52.2 in two weeks as he prepared for the fight, according to a Sept. 28, 2007 report by Sports Illustrated. In his testimony in 2003, Mosley admitted he used the blood booster EPO and anabolic steroids he bought from BALCO for $1850. He also admitted he had used the designer drugs referred to as “the cream” and “the clear”, but he insisted publicly and in his testimony that he didn’t know they were either illegal or banned. Victor Conte, BALCO’s founder, however, said Mosley knew what he was taking. Conte is being sued for defamation by Mosley. Conte wrote said in a sworn statement submitted in the defamation case: “Specifically, I explained to Mr. Mosley and Mr. Hudson (Mosley’s trainer at the time) that ‘The Clear’ was an undetectable anabolic steroid and that ‘The Cream’ contained testosterone and epitestosterone. I explained that ‘The Cream’ was primarily to be used as a masking agent. I also explained that EPO increases the production of red blood cells, and therefore Mr. Mosley should take additional dietary supplements that aid in the manufacture of red blood cells, such as iron, vitamin C, vitamin E, folic acid, and vitamin B12. … There is no question that I informed Mr. Mosley that he was taking the three banned performance enhancing drugs.”

I agree. The knockout ratio of Shane Mosley is staggering. Yeah it is amazing what the BALCO would do for a fighter... http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6854/832734b1360774.th.jpg Shane Mosley rode a limo to get his supply of steroids, EPO http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4137/balcosteroidsbarrybonds.th.gif mosley-steroidsIn what may be a prelude to their meeting in court, Victor Conte and Shane Mosley traded accusations in connection with the boxer’s defamation suit. Mosley had filed the suit in a New York state court against the founder of the California-based supplement company known as BALCO (Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative). This is Mosley’s move to refute Conte’s allegations that he watched the boxer injected himself with performance-enhancing drugs and that Mosley knew what he was taking. Mosley admitted that he had used performance-enhancing drugs but he continually insists that he didn’t know then that what he was taking were anabolic steroids. Conte’s lawyer filed a motion to dismiss Mosley’s suit and among the documents he filed was an affidavit that detailed the drugs and payments made by Mosley before he defeated Oscar De La Hoya in September 2003. “I believe it is time for Shane Mosley to receive the consequences he deserves for lying about his use of performance enhancing drugs,” Conte said Tuesday in an e-mail to USA Today. “Other athletes associated with BALCO who have lied about their use of drugs have been banned from their sport, stripped of their records and medals and even spent time in jail.” Meanwhile, Judd Burstein, Mosley’s lawyer, said Conte’s allegations “are completely false” and that he us sure that they will have a day in court. “I’m salivating to get Victor Conte under cross examination,” Burstein said.

I agree. The knockout ratio of Shane Mosley is staggering.

Mosley, not Mayweather, is worthy of fan appreciation he more I hear Floyd Mayweather’s mouth, the more I appreciate Shane Mosley. It’s not that I don’t appreciate Mayweather at all. I do appreciate some things about the former five-division titleholder, who I consider, along with Mosley, to be among the best fighters I’ve had the privilege of covering in the late 1990s and this decade. I think Mayweather’s overall ring generalship -- his balance, positioning, footwork, hand-eye coordination, head and upper-body movement, timing, punch accuracy and fluidity during a fight -- is a thing of beauty. I understand the fans who celebrate Mayweather because of his superb skill and ring prowess, but I don’t agree that technique alone is enough to elevate a prize fighter to the top of the sport. Professional boxing is more than technique, folks. (If technique is all you care about maybe figure skating should be your sport, not boxing.) Boxing isn’t just about what a fighter does in the ring, it’s also about who he fights. Mosley, who has always challenged the best fighters in the weight classes he occupied, gets it. Mayweather doesn’t. The more we hear from “Money May” in the buildup to his July 18 comeback fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, the more we hear about who he won’t fight. Manny Pacquiao, who earned universal recognition as the sport’s pound-for-pound No. 1 fighter after Mayweather “retired” last summer, appears to be on that list. So is Mosley. Mayweather tried to explain why the reigning pound-for-pound king and the sport’s best welterweight were not on his radar during a recent interview with ESPN’s Brian Kenny. In that interview, which can be found on ESPN.com’s boxing page (http://espn.go.com/boxing/), Mayweather said a showdown with Pacquiao would be “hard to make” because he and Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum “have a problem.” Mosley was dismissed as a future opponent because he has “five losses” and is “not a pay-per-view attraction,” according to Mayweather. Mayweather’s disrespect was enough to make the normally affable and reserved Mosley fire back. “Floyd’s delusional,” Mosley said from his home in La Verne, California on Friday. “He talks about his pay-per-view numbers but everyone knows that it was Ricky (Hatton) and Oscar (De La Hoya) who brought in the fans and sold those pay-per-view buys. Before he fought De La Hoya his numbers were so disappointing HBO didn’t want him to fight on pay-per-view anymore. “The fights with Oscar and Ricky, and the 24/7’s he did on HBO before those fights, got his name out there but I don’t think it made him more popular with boxing fans. I don’t think he’ll ever be as popular as he thinks he is until he really fights the best.” Early in his career, when he campaigned in the 130- and 135-pound divisions, Mayweather did fight the best. He beat the likes of Genaro Hernandez, Diego Corrales, Jesus Chavez, and Jose Luis Castillo displaying once-in-a-lifetime talent and athletic gifts that were on par with Mosley’s abilities at lightweight. Somewhere during his transition from lightweight to junior welterweight and welterweight in the middle part of the decade, Mayweather’s focus shifted from proving his potential greatness to protecting his undefeated record and making as much money as possible. It can be argued that it worked out for him, as he made a small fortune fighting Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton in 2007, but it’s a damn shame. Imagine the welterweight round robin that could have taken place over the last four years if Mayweather shared Mosley’s mettle. Who knows? Maybe their battles with Miguel Cotto, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Joshua Clottey, Zab Judah, Kermit Cintron -- and ultimately against each other -- could have equaled or even rivaled the excitement that Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Pipino Cuevas, and Carlos Palomino created in the 147-pound division in the late 1970s and early 1980s. However, while Mayweather and Mosley possess comparative skill and talent, their mentalities are as different as night and day. “If they cut my bald head open, they will find one big boxing glove,” hall-of-fame former middleweight champ Marvin Hagler once said. “That’s all I am. I live it.” The same could be said about Mosley; he’s 100-percent fighter. I wish I could compare Mayweather to Leonard, but I can’t (and nobody else should.) After establishing his hall-for-fame credentials by taking on Benitez, Duran (twice) and Hearns in a 2-year span, he challenged Hagler, the undisputed middleweight champ, after being out of the ring for 3 years. Mayweather, who stepped away from the sport as the welterweight champ, is returning from a 1½-year “retirement” to fight the LIGHTWEIGHT champ. “Mayweather’s fighting one of the best in Juan Manuel Marquez but he’s not fighting the best in his weight class,” Mosley said. “If he can’t come down a few pounds to meet Marquez halfway that means he’s a full-bodied welterweight. So, why’s he picking on a lightweight? “If he’s a welterweight and he’s the best, as he claims, then he needs to prove it by fighting the number-one welterweight, and that’s me. “I proved it by knocking out Antonio Margarito who knocked out Miguel Cotto. Mayweather can’t say he’s the best welterweight or the best fighter, pound for pound. He pulled himself out of the game for a year. Fighters like me and Manny Pacquiao stayed in the game and earned our place in it. If he wants to come back and reclaim his so-called throne he has to beat us. “If he thinks he can fool the public, he’s wrong. This fight (with Marquez) is not going to do the numbers he thinks it is, and if it does, it will be the Mexican fans supporting Marquez. “Floyd doesn’t have fans.” The reason, Mosley says, is simple: If we cut open Mayweather’s head, we won’t find a boxing glove. We’ll find a wad of cash. “Floyd fights for one thing, money,” Mosley said. “He doesn’t fight for the fans the way I do, or the way Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez do. “That’s the difference between me and Mayweather. I’m not fighting for money. I’ve been in the game a long time, longer than Floyd, and I’ve made money, but that’s never been what drives me. “I fight for the love of the sport and I fight for the fans.” Mosley said he wanted to fight Margarito because the Mexican mauler was recognized as the best 147-pound fighter in the sport. Now he wants to fight Pacquiao and Mayweather, to prove that he’s the best fighter, pound for pound, in the game. “I held that title (pound for pound) once,” he said. “I was recognized as the sport’s best fighter in 2000 and 2001. I want to be the first former pound-for-pound king to come back and be recognized as number one again after eight or nine years. “If I get a fight against either or both, I’ll prove that I really am the best, and I won’t walk away from the sport like Floyd did. I’ll defend my title.” Against who? “I’ll fight anyone the fans want me to fight,” Mosley said. “I mean that. I really do fight for the fans. If I’m recognized as the pound-for-pound best I’ll let the fans vote on who I should fight next. I don’t care who it is. If they want me to fight Cotto again, I’ll do it. If they want me to fight Andre Berto or Paul Williams, I’ll do it. “I just want to let the fans know that I’m worthy of their recognition.” I’ve known Mosley, who turns 38 in September, for 15 years. I think appreciate him now more than ever. It’s not too late for Mayweather, who I once tabbed as a future “great”. Mosley agrees. “Mayweather’s an awesome boxer,” he said. “The reason he isn’t embraced by fans is that he blatantly tells them that he’s only fighting for the money. “He could have fans, real fans, if he really challenged himself. He wouldn’t have to rely on the other guy to bring in the fans and the pay-per-view numbers if he challenged himself. “If he fought me, we would both bring in fans and the fight would be tremendous.” http://www.ringtv.com/blog/694/mosley_not_mayweather_is_worthy_of_fan_appreciation/ This is to long i dont want to read this

It's hard to choose between a cherry picker and a cheater.

Mayweather wants nothing to do with top WWs, he never did. Floyd has Nightmares about Mosley because of his slick style. Mosley knows how to box, he isn't a brawler. The same floyd that called out the same mosley in 2006 and mosley turned down the fight because of a toothache, is having nightmares about mosley? Your about as delusional as a hardcore pac fan.

Both men are warriors and deserve respect. **** the haters.

gayweather weather is black cloud...:headbang:

Oscar and Arum still had issues at that point though, to fight margarito over Baldomir at that point could possibly cost him the fight with Oscar he craved. I do not think Arum would juat do a one off fight with Floyd he would want future fights, to pay back the investment he made in Floyd. That is one of the things I like about Floyd he is one of the few fighters to get over on Arum like that, it makes me laugh that the Harvard man got outsmarted by Floyd. Arum used to be so bitter about it but I think he finally got over it becasue if Floyd fights Pacman he will get paid on that investment that he has had to eat for so long. Arum also lost to De La Hoya in court. De La Hoya then said "Arum is mad that I defeated one of the biggest Jews to come out of Harvard". Arum must've been mad as hell watching PBF and DLH take part in the richest prize fight in history.

Baldomir beat a notorious choker who went 1-1 with Spinks and he was somehow undisputed, lineal champ, like Zsolt Erdei. People seem to forget in the space of a year there were three lineal champs, Spinks, Judah, and Baldy. And Margarito was there the whole time, beating people. Oscar and Arum still had issues at that point though, to fight margarito over Baldomir at that point could possibly cost him the fight with Oscar he craved. I do not think Arum would juat do a one off fight with Floyd he would want future fights, to pay back the investment he made in Floyd. That is one of the things I like about Floyd he is one of the few fighters to get over on Arum like that, it makes me laugh that the Harvard man got outsmarted by Floyd. Arum used to be so bitter about it but I think he finally got over it becasue if Floyd fights Pacman he will get paid on that investment that he has had to eat for so long.

Floyd should fight another 135 pounder next since Mosley is not a good fight for Floyd. Cotto , Mosley and Margarito have all fought each other while is there brushing up her pussy.

Hooray for the juicers and EPO users!!! "Bu, bu, bu, but he seems like such a nice guy and said he passed a lie detector test!" Haha, don't you know Floyd has lived with a silver spoon in his mouth and has had everything handed to him, with no hard work or dedication to his craft. He has fought 0 good fighters in his whole career, and before every fight everyone always expected him to destroy his opposition.

Floyd beat the top Welters and the top super welter. Baldomir and Judah were the #1 and #2 Welters. Oscar was the top guy at 154 Don't be stupid all your life. And we all saw what happened to their careers, quit sucking. Most have been a weak division at one time for either of them to be the top welters. Slow ass baldy and Zab "I have no confidence" Judah.

Shane just wants paydays. Only reason he wants Floyd. Why did he turn down a fight with Berto and Paul Williams? A win over Shane does little for Floyd's career right now. Shane is best at 147 due to rankings and whateva but he lost to Cotto, and I think he'd lose a rematch...

Hooray for the juicers and EPO users!!! "Bu, bu, bu, but he seems like such a nice guy and said he passed a lie detector test!"

very true... but boxers need to have that something that fans would want to see... tyson had it... oscar... ali... duran... tito... mosley doesnt have it... so does cotto... JMM... klitschkos... despite their excellence...