in his prime, do you think anyone could of beat roy jones jr?

hagler would have beaten him. He couldn't even beat an old washed up inactive Ray Leonard. No way is he going to beat Roy Jones.

these men right here http://www.sports-photos.com/catalog/images/ThomasHearns2b&w.tif.jpg http://www.virginmedia.com/images/hagler-punch-400.jpg Hearns is a 147lber. No way is he ever going to beat Roy. Hagler couldn't beat SRL no way he beats RJ.

Great fighter as Jones was, he was not unbeatable. I don't buy into the bullshit argument that he had a glass chin. He took plenty of hard cracks in his career. But, he didn't have ... say ... a Hopkins/Eubank chin either. Prime McClellan, Benn, McCallum, Calzaghe & Eubank (and Toney, if he prepared right and fought well) were quite capable of defeating prime Jones. Of course, they would all have entered a fight as underdogs to varying degrees - but not to the same level as many of the questionable opponents Jones faced post-Toney. I don't care how good Jones was, he would not have remained vertical for long had he picked up too many bombs from the likes of McClellan, Benn & Eubank. Those guys were REAL executioners. During that era the MW/SMW band had an abundance of genuine talent. There were guys outside the top-10 fighting who could easily hold down a belt today. When I think of the likes of Ottke following immediately after most of them and breaking all sorts of records I want to spit.

Someone with really high-workrate and who fights in a southpaw stance and throws awkward punches that he isn't used to fighting... Where ever could we find such a fighter? Those type of fighters do not exist! If those type of fighters existed they would be Roys Kryptonite. LOL hahahahahahaahahahaha I agree bro but we wont find out

You are right about the Griffith fight though. He puffed Roy up pretty good, but once again, this was 3 months after the McCallum fight. His first real test at 174. Despite what many people seem to think, Roy is Human, and he has to deal with the mind games just like everyone else that moves up to fight bigger guys. Do I belong here? Am I strong enough? Will I be able to take their punch? It also helped that those were good fighters, unlike the foes he'd faced at 68 after Toney. Better fighters make for tougher fights. Just kind of how it goes. :)

You are right about the Griffith fight though. He puffed Roy up pretty good, but once again, this was 3 months after the McCallum fight. His first real test at 174. Despite what many people seem to think, Roy is Human, and he has to deal with the mind games just like everyone else that moves up to fight bigger guys. Do I belong here? Am I strong enough? Will I be able to take their punch?

If Roy had to fight Bob Foster, Ezzard Charles, Billy Conn, Gene Tunney, Archie Moore, Michael Moorer, Michael Spinks, Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Patterson at LHW. And throw Michael Nunn in at SMW, Roy is NOT getting past these 10, no way. not the question, and the answer to the question is no, he had all the tools to be better than any one in his weight division durring all his top years, no one in the past or after him has had amuch of a complete arsenal and defensive ability

That's hyperbole; Mccallum was doughy and spent most of his career at 54 and 60. Granted, he was settled at 75, but he was also old as dirt. I'll note Roy was tentative but it had more to do with wisdom over valor than size. McCallum clearly outweighed Roy in the ring by atleast 20lb, and was the taller man. I'm not talking bad about McCallum, but his jab really didn't do much for him that night. The first 5 rounds consisted of Roy being confused as to whether he should stand his ground against a the bigger man, or move against the bigger man. Obviously Roy was worrying about what was coming behind the jab, but as I said, his first fight at 174. He had some unanswered questions about himself that he answered in the later rounds.

The fight actually turned in round 5, and most of the work McCallum was able to do had to do with Roy being tentative in his first foray into the 174lb division against a much bigger man. That's hyperbole; Mccallum was doughy and spent most of his career at 54 and 60. Granted, he was settled at 75, but he was also old as dirt. I'll note Roy was tentative but it had more to do with wisdom over valor than size.

@ 160 Marvin Hagler would have whipped him

Through the first eight rounds of the fight, Roy rarely opened up and McCallum was able to stay competitive by mixing the jab from the chest up (landed it well to the body in the first few rounds). He wasn't doing much else, but it kept the fight from being an utterly embarassing rout until around nine. Not bad for a guy at 40. The fight actually turned in round 5, and most of the work McCallum was able to do had to do with Roy being tentative in his first foray into the 174lb division against a much bigger man.

Please do explain what keeping it honest entails, because it sure doesn't consist of actually landing your jab with any sort of consistency. Through the first eight rounds of the fight, Roy rarely opened up and McCallum was able to stay competitive by mixing the jab from the chest up (landed it well to the body in the first few rounds). He wasn't doing much else, but it kept the fight from being an utterly embarassing rout until around nine. Not bad for a guy at 40.

First, it wasn't slow. It wasn't Jones fast either but not slow. With four inches of height and superior reach, against a fighter who almost never used a jab, Spinks could have timed Jones rushes. It's an interesting fight. As to who else had a jab, McCallum kept it honest (for about eight rounds) with little else and Hill-Jones was a good fight until BOOM. Please do explain what keeping it honest entails, because it sure doesn't consist of actually landing your jab with any sort of consistency.

New profile, not a long time poster. I have been reading these forums for a few months but only decided to try posting a couple of weeks ago. I don't know enough about boxing but I know what I like. RJJ gave some of the most crowd pleasing and demonstrably skillful performances of anyone I have seen of note. He had four amazing performances against fighters who were above average or better: Tate, Griffin (II), Toney and Hill. Too many of his 'wow' nights were against the likes of Paz and Hall types. It would have been nice to see what happens if HBO and DKP weren't at war in the 90s; most of his best foes were stuck on Showtime.

Why do you guys make up different profiles just to put stupid statements in threads? If you think Roy Jones Jr. was unbeatable in his prime you obviously haven't seen enough boxing to comment on it. New profile, not a long time poster. I have been reading these forums for a few months but only decided to try posting a couple of weeks ago. I don't know enough about boxing but I know what I like. RJJ gave some of the most crowd pleasing and demonstrably skillful performances of anyone I have seen of note.

do you think roy could be beaten in his prime?????????? if so by who? GOD. thats about it though.

You are not suggesting that Roy would be unable to land his right hand on a sitting duck with no mobility like Spinks are you? Spinks is far far too slow to ever land that right hand on Roy, not only in hand speed, but in foot speed. Harding, and Tarver were southpaws, and Roy had abandoned mobility at that point in his career. Montel Griffin? Just look at the second fight. Roy got cocky, and took the fight lightly. Show me another fighter that has troubled him with a jab. Did I mention that Spinks jab is SLOW? First, it wasn't slow. It wasn't Jones fast either but not slow. With four inches of height and superior reach, against a fighter who almost never used a jab, Spinks could have timed Jones rushes. It's an interesting fight. As to who else had a jab, McCallum kept it honest (for about eight rounds) with little else and Hill-Jones was a good fight until BOOM.

If he could land it with authority; Roy could be unsettled by fighters who jabbed at him (Griffin, Harding, Tarver) and Spinks power would have had him wary. Add in that Spink would have been a solid four inches taller and it's a pain in the ass match. You are not suggesting that Roy would be unable to land his right hand on a sitting duck with no mobility like Spinks are you? Spinks is far far too slow to ever land that right hand on Roy, not only in hand speed, but in foot speed. Harding, and Tarver were southpaws, and Roy had abandoned mobility at that point in his career. Montel Griffin? Just look at the second fight. Roy got cocky, and took the fight lightly. Show me another fighter that has troubled him with a jab. Did I mention that Spinks jab is SLOW?

its kinda hard to say because in my opinion Roy never fought any really good fighters in his prime so Im not sure if it was what I was seeing that was amazing or just crappy competition

Leaky defense, chin up in the air. Spinks would have been an absolute sucker for Roys straight right. If he could land it with authority; Roy could be unsettled by fighters who jabbed at him (Griffin, Harding, Tarver) and Spinks power would have had him wary. Add in that Spink would have been a solid four inches taller and it's a pain in the ass match.