Floyd vs Brian Kenny. Who owned who?

Kenny asks the questions. It's his job. If he "shouldn't be explaining questions like that" then why'd Floyd take the interview? It's a journalist's job to ask questions and the good ones ask tough questions. Kenny brought up Baldomir and Hatton because Floyd claimed he was champ at those respective weight classes....that's why. Also at the time in made no sense to fight Zab Judah. So you need someone to explain to a boxing journalist on whose "Win was more impressive" when in fact we all knowww ?? Yeah that a great question.. He asked question but they're not good questions just twisted question to get a reaction from a fighter who had a history with, I dont consider "Whose win was more impressive" a good question from a boxing journo. If Mayweather claimed to be a champ at those weight so what??? Wasnt he a champ at 140 when he beat Gatti??? or didnt other people call themselves champ when they win a world title belt?? or should Mayweather be held to a different standard to everyone else?? Fact are Kinney accuse him of ducking Hatton and the linear champ in Baldomir both who Mayweather end up fighting which made Kinney look stupid and retarded in the end.

Thats the thing, Why though?? Just to get a reaction from PBF?? I saw the other interview and Mayweather did walk all over the other guy but i still dont get this lets have a go at Mayweather by kenny stance. Last time Kenny had a go at Mayweather he went on to fight the names that kenny accuse him of ducking in Baldomir and Hatton, It takes time to make a fight and you shouldnt be explaining that to a boxing journalist like Brian Kinney. Kenny asks the questions. It's his job. If he "shouldn't be explaining questions like that" then why'd Floyd take the interview? It's a journalist's job to ask questions and the good ones ask tough questions. Kenny brought up Baldomir and Hatton because Floyd claimed he was champ at those respective weight classes....that's why. Also at the time in made no sense to fight Zab Judah.

Look, guys, this shit needs to stop. It really does. Anyone who has posted here on this site for a long time has probably seen me sporadically and knows when I open my mouth (or let my fingers go in this case) I try and do so intelligently, without bias for a particular fighter or cause out of blind fandom. I like Floyd Mayweather as a boxer. I like watching his technical ability. I like the way he runs his mouth and pumps up fights. He's the bad guy and it sells fights; loving the sport, I love when a fight is bigger because Floyd talked a big game- Ali and others throughout the years all did it in their own way, too. Seriously, though, stop the shit. If you post on this site you know- and don't even lie- before every big Mayweather fight there are dozens of you saying, "De La Hoya is an all time legend and he'll shut Floyd's mouth," or, "Hatton is a brawler, a real mad dog inside fighter. Floyd is going to learn.." Then, after the fight, two dozen people are making excuses why, even though they picked the other guy to win- not just rooting for the other guy but getting on a soapbox telling us why Floyd would lose- after it's all said and done why Floyd deserves no credit. Every single Floyd fight for the last three or four years has people explaining, in detail, why Floyd should or will lose. Listen up: if you pick the other guy to win, and rep that fighter as a good boxer- and his opponent wins- you should automatically throw respect for that win to the victor. It only makes sense if you say someone is good, and a guy beats him, you go, 'yeah, alright, don't like this ****er Floyd but solid win...' Now, Floyd said some real shit that people who hate him- and yes, I agree he is begging to be hated- refuse to admit. What did he point out? Well, he pointed out he was forced to fight Oscar at 154; a better weight for DLH. Even Freddy Roach in the Pacquiao-Hatton 24/7 made a comment about seeing IV marks on Oscar's arm telling him he'd killed himself to make weight and had to rehydrate back stage telling Pac, "To jump on him." So? What floyd said was fact. Then Mayweather pointed out he's been wearing 10 oz gloves? Is that a lie? Now, nobody is going to say that Floyd and Pacquiao have the same power. They'd be idiots. Obviously, though, if you are allowed to wear 8 oz gloves you'll hit harder; fact. Sure, we can argue that the size of the gloves didn't impact the fight outcome but please gentlemen, suck it up, he wasn't wrong or ignorant to point that fact out. Now, I very, very rarely defend Floyd Mayweather on these forums but this is ridiculous. How did he not have a valid point when he said everyone gives him shit for his wins? He's ****ing right. If he beats Manny Pacquiao- and he said this to Kenny- half of his detractors are just going to say, 'Oh, there he goes picking on smaller guys. Of course he won.' This is true. Floyd pointed out that people always have a reason- because he's an asshole- to take away from his acheievments. Call Floyd an egotistical, conceited prick, but give him his credit. So because Manny beat Oscar to shit, somehow he gets credit for a win- despite Oscar's weight issues- that even now most of you won't give to Floyd? How does that make sense? Really, I'm sure I'll get labeled as some sort of Floyd Mayweather jock rider for this, but I think he made quite a few valid point in his interview. I do believe he'll make more money fighting Marquez, with a loyal Mexican fan base, than Shane Mosley. I also believe he'll never get full credit for his wins unless he becomes a power punching, high offensive machine like Manny Pacquiao. Guess what? Floyd Mayweather is not Manny Pacquiao. He doesn't fight with that type of offense, he doesn't have that type of pop- and because he's a technical boxer and half the people, even on these forums, just want to see somebody get ****ed up. Some of you don't care about the technical aspects of boxing so much as the blood-lust of watching someone get hurt, bloodied, and knocked out. That's only part of the sport for me. For the record- before you guys dismiss everything I said- I think Manny Pacquiao needs to be considered p4p right now. Floyd left the sport and Manny kept racking up wins. Diaz gave him another belt at another weight class, Oscar- despite being older- was the larger man and many of us thought he'd lose, and the way he chewed up and spit Hatton out was one of the most brutal PPV wins I have ever seen. My point of this post is to say- and I'm saying this to the general audience here not at anyone in particular- get your head out of your ass. I don't like Tarver but if he beat Chad Dawson I would've given him credit for wrangling down the younger champion; why can't you guys hate Floyd, consider him an asshole, wish he'd fight some welterweight and yet have a grudging respect for the technical ability he shows and the wins he racks up? I think Marquez is a very good fighter who, depending on how he looks at the higher weight, has a real chance at Floyd. Sure, he's smaller, but if Mayweather wins I am going to give him the nod for beating a sound, technical, pound for pound ranked boxer- despite everything. Summary: Hate Floyd's personality, root for his downfall, but don't stubbornly pick him to lose, make excuses on why he's no good, and then deny every positive thing he could possibly accomplish. ****As far as Floyd ducking the WW's- well, even if Manny Pacquiao fought a time or two at 147 in the future, I would never consider him a true welterweight. He's a smaller man. I wouldn't suggest you throw him in with Cotto, Margarito, Williams or any of those men- JUST BECAUSE THEY ALL CAMPAIGN AT 147. Why do we suggest Floyd needs to do that or not be the best? Floyd might have moved up in weight more slowly than Manny, but they're both from South of where they now fight. Don't forget that.**** Horus Presents: TOP 48 MOST MEMORABLE MAYWEATHER THREADS http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271721

I agree with the glove comments, I mentioned that in a post before this one. I dont agree with the size issue and here's why. Pacquiao is not as small as Marquez. JMM was a Featherweight as a fully grown man. He really should be a 130 pounder. He only moved up to 135 for more challenges. Manny on the other hand was forced to move up to 135 because he was killing himself to make 130. He also fought at 150 pounds and looked as quick and as solid physically as he has ever been. Marquez wont be able to fill out liek that at 140 let alone 147. As far as I'm concerned Floyd is maybe slightly bigger than Manny if anything. Not enough to make a difference. Marquez is different. I'm not saying Marquez isn't smaller than Floyd, but Floyd was fighting at lightweight around the same age Manny is at this moment. Yet we all want him fighting welterweights like Cotto, or big men who have thrown around at jr. middleweight like Oscar and Shane. So, why are we expecting a man who fought at 135 as an adult- Floyd- to be capable of moving up and suddenly being seen as a welterweight, when other people that move up aren't? You just said you think Floyd and Manny are around the same size. So why the **** do we think it was cool for Manny to fight Marquez and not Floyd? I agree, the fight weight is different, but the arguement against Marquez-Mayweather loses steam when you say you feel Pac and Mayweather are similarly sized men. That just paints Manny as a Paul Williams-esque fighter who has been fighting to stay at a lower weight to tackle smaller men, no?

LOL Mayweather looked like a fool in the interview:boxing:

Points Floyd had right in my eyes: Pacquiao is getting credit for being a different sort of fighter- being offensive- not just for the quality of his win over Oscar. Floyd fought a bigger, stronger, sharper and younger Oscar De La Hoya at a weight he'd never, and probably never will again, fight at again. Yet Manny is given much more credit on these forums; Kenny said he'd always given Floyd credit, but that smug reporter often says tongue in cheek comments on FnF about Mayweather and others. It is harder to knock someone out with 10 oz gloves. This wouldn't have mattered in the Oscar fight, but we don't know. He might have gotten Hatton out sooner wearing 8 oz's. That's not ridiculous. Mayweather said people are ragging on him for fighting a smaller Marquez but they want him to fight a smaller Pacquiao. True that. So, just because Manny has more pop, do you really think people who dislike Floyd will give him full credit if he beats Manny? I don't. I agree with the glove comments, I mentioned that in a post before this one. I dont agree with the size issue and here's why. Pacquiao is not as small as Marquez. JMM was a Featherweight as a fully grown man. He really should be a 130 pounder. He only moved up to 135 for more challenges. Manny on the other hand was forced to move up to 135 because he was killing himself to make 130. He also fought at 150 pounds and looked as quick and as solid physically as he has ever been. Marquez wont be able to fill out liek that at 140 let alone 147. As far as I'm concerned Floyd is maybe slightly bigger than Manny if anything. Not enough to make a difference. Marquez is different.

He said who's win was more impressive. That question had an agenda obviously. Kenney is the only one who can interview Floyd. It's obvious ESPN called on BK because Floyd was just interviewed by another guy yesterday who was outgunned. He actually thought Pacquiao was undefeated. Thats the thing, Why though?? Just to get a reaction from PBF?? I saw the other interview and Mayweather did walk all over the other guy but i still dont get this lets have a go at Mayweather by kenny stance. Last time Kenny had a go at Mayweather he went on to fight the names that kenny accuse him of ducking in Baldomir and Hatton, It takes time to make a fight and you shouldnt be explaining that to a boxing journalist like Brian Kinney. Asking Mayweather to wait for the outcome of the pacman/Hatton fight is retarded imo, Because the world doesnt revolve around pacman and Mayweather or JMM have to do whats best for them until another opportinuty present itself.

I mean we didn't start talking about Pac-Hatton until maybe 3 hours before the fight started. We are already talking about Mayweather-Marquez two months before the fight. This is gonna be all B-Scene is talking about until the middle of the summer. Are you completely dumb? We started talking about Pac vs Hatton as soon as Hatton beat Maliginaggi in November 08. And even then the fans were split down the middle as to who would win. With PBF vs JMM everyone knows the outcome of the result. Infact people were talking about it Hatton vs Pacquiao after Pacquiao beat JMM for the second time in March 08 that's nearly a year and a half ago lol. People only started talking about PBF vs JMM a cpl months before and the main reason was because they decided to try and upstage Pacquiao/Hatton by announcing it on the biggest boxing match of the year so far make no mistake about it. He was getting free publicity time because of Pacquaio and Hatton trying to make his name again off their backs.

I agree that Mosley's name is bigger. But name doesn't always equate to buys. More random people on the street have heard of Mosley than Marquez, no doubt. But I think Marquez has way more fans that are willing to shell out $50 to buy his fight ya know? In the US? Mayweather -VS- Mosley would sell more. Mexicans are not the only folks in the US. No casual fans know who is Marquez is. They do however know who Mosley is. People forget Mosley twice fought Oscar De La Hoya. Those two fights alone do more for Mosley's notoriety with the general public than anything Marquez has accomplished to this point.

The name Shane Mosley is still bigger than the name Juan Manual Marquez though imo. I'll agree it's debatable. I do think Cotto is a bigger name than Marquez and Floyd wanted no part of Cotto back int he day because he "couldn't draw." He can't win either way, but he can be honest. I agree that Mosley's name is bigger. But name doesn't always equate to buys. More random people on the street have heard of Mosley than Marquez, no doubt. But I think Marquez has way more fans that are willing to shell out $50 to buy his fight ya know?

Like i said before this no-one owned anyone, Some of the question asked where stupid and retarded question that they wouldnt have been directed at anyone who isnt named Mayweather. You cannot be a good boxing journalist when you're asking dumb questions like "Floyd Manny Pacqouiao beat Oscar and Hatton faster than you did so who was more exciting", How did he even come up with that sort of retarded question? You would have thought a boxing journo would have more boxing sense than that. He said who's win was more impressive. That question had an agenda obviously. Kenney is the only one who can interview Floyd. It's obvious ESPN called on BK because Floyd was just interviewed by another guy yesterday who was outgunned. He actually thought Pacquiao was undefeated.

He said who's win was more impressive. That question had an agenda obviously. Kenney is the only one who can interview Floyd. It's obvious ESPN called on BK because Floyd was just interviewed by another guy yesterday who was outgunned. He actually thought Pacquiao was undefeated. The other gentleman was flat out retarded. How can you go into an interview and not even know one of the fighter's records? Someone should have been reprimanded at the very least for that.

The name Shane Mosley is still bigger than the name Juan Manual Marquez though imo. I'll agree it's debatable. I do think Cotto is a bigger name than Marquez and Floyd wanted no part of Cotto back int he day because he "couldn't draw." He can't win either way, but he can be honest. I think Marquez will bring more buys, being Mexican, than Shane would. Despite Shane's name, he hasn't proven he's a huge PPV draw. The Cotto-Mosley fight did well...but it wasn't amazing. I agree, though, that Cotto would bring more views than Marquez- post Clottey- more than likely even now, should PR still be behind him. That said, I don't see Floyd as a WW and I don't care if he stops campaigning at 147. Fight the best small men at 140. I don't give a shit.

I think he is. Mexico is one reason. The second is, he's got the rep of "The guy that beat Pac", because of how huge Pac is right now, Marquez is pretty big by association. And they are using that in the promotion, which is smart. It always boggled my mind why Mosley wasn't a big draw, but he really isn't. The name Shane Mosley is still bigger than the name Juan Manual Marquez though imo. I'll agree it's debatable. I do think Cotto is a bigger name than Marquez and Floyd wanted no part of Cotto back int he day because he "couldn't draw." He can't win either way, but he can be honest.

Like i said before this no-one owned anyone, Some of the question asked where stupid and retarded question that they wouldnt have been directed at anyone who isnt named Mayweather. You cannot be a good boxing journalist when you're asking dumb questions like "Floyd Manny Pacqouiao beat Oscar and Hatton faster than you did so who was more exciting", How did he even come up with that sort of retarded question? You would have thought a boxing journo would have more boxing sense than that.

yup. when brian asked about the delahoya/hatton fights all floyd had to say was , "Listen , i'm a boxer , manny is a slugger of course he goes for the ko earlier. Plus Oscar and Ricky was not the same fighters that I fought." simple. Hahaha, exactly. Just say that, and say "listen, I fought a younger version of Oscar, at his weight where he had all the advantages. And, tell me your honest opinion, did you think that fight was close enough to warrant a split decision?" Brian Kenney's smart, he would have been like "Touche". He just wants to get it out of Floyd, but Floyd kept acting like a 3 year old.

That's retarded logic. Imagine if every athlete said that. "Haha I make more money than you, your opinion doesn't matter." Points Floyd had right in my eyes: Pacquiao is getting credit for being a different sort of fighter- being offensive- not just for the quality of his win over Oscar. Floyd fought a bigger, stronger, sharper and younger Oscar De La Hoya at a weight he'd never, and probably never will again, fight at again. Yet Manny is given much more credit on these forums; Kenny said he'd always given Floyd credit, but that smug reporter often says tongue in cheek comments on FnF about Mayweather and others. It is harder to knock someone out with 10 oz gloves. This wouldn't have mattered in the Oscar fight, but we don't know. He might have gotten Hatton out sooner wearing 8 oz's. That's not ridiculous. Mayweather said people are ragging on him for fighting a smaller Marquez but they want him to fight a smaller Pacquiao. True that. So, just because Manny has more pop, do you really think people who dislike Floyd will give him full credit if he beats Manny? I don't.

Floyd makes an excellent point when talking about the difference in glove size. I didn't realize he used 10 ounce gloves against Hatton too. That's pretty ridiculous.

Look Drew, I respect you as a poster. Seen you a lot through the years. I'm sure we could discuss the Mayweather-Kenny arguement, disagree, and yet not have some sort of prepubescent internet 'yo mama' festival. I really think Floyd made some real points though. Credit does elude him, as often pointed out on these forums. Mayweather isn't very eloquent, he stutters and has to constantly play the angry asshole- therefore losing the ability to calmly, intelligently make a point- but I don't think Brian Kenny 'owned' him. I agree with a lot of what Floyd said. -Oh and for some of you, I know this must be illegal- but I have BOTH Floyd and Manny in my sig. (Gasp)!- I agree with what Floyd said but he at no point addresses the issue of fighting a lightweight. I shouldn't say own. I am attempting to use the lingo of these forums. Kenny had to bring PBF back to his questions on several occasions before allowing him to move on. It was almost like attempting to get a presidential candidate to answer real questions on serious issues. They can always weasel out of it if they want to. Did PBF raise some smart points? Yes, but in the end I think having that argument in the first place on SportsCenter exposes Mayweather's Welterweight campaign to some extent. At the end of the day it will help Mayweather get what he wants which is tension and hype which sells tickets. I don't however think Mayweather did well in this interview, and I'd be shocked if deep down he was truly pleased with the result.

Mayweather destroyed him. lol "I made $200 million in 18 months. what have you done" ahahahah OWNED. That's retarded logic. Imagine if every athlete said that. "Haha I make more money than you, your opinion doesn't matter."