Tito at 147 or 154 beats cotto down in a similiar fashion to his vargas fight except he stops him before the tenth, cotto drops to his knees and quits like he did against margo
I can't quote you directly so I'll respond the best I can.
--I bring up Margarito fight because there are several posts saying that Margs' ''slow'' self tagged Cotto, then Tito can too. All of a sudden, Margs is a slow and paltry fighter, where less than a year ago, Margs had all the goods, reach, chin, power and heart etc etc. And yes he didn't hit Cotto alot until after Cotto was worn from the body punishment, and although no proof, if just seems evident of substances. His chin was otherwordly that's for sure and I'm not sure if anyone's power would have KOd him that night. At the very least, he may have won, but Cotto's punishment on him had lasting effects as evident in the Mosely fight. But enough bout that.
--We agree that it wouldn't be a thrashing, that's cool. I still think they're power is rather similar. Tito gets the edge, but I honestly don't think it's by that much. Cotto just has a different approach. Tito likes to wind up and go for the gusto; Cotto likes to chop you down.
--This ties up to the above argument; Tito had that raw power and KO ability, but he never truly used his advantages and I just think Cotto would take advantage of it. Tito's defense is less than stellar at times and I think he'd be open to the body, where Cotto can do his signature damage.
--Cotto and Tito's resumes are eerily similar man at this point in Cotto's career...Margarito, Clottey and SSM were/are all top WWs. What's missing from Cotto at the moment? He doesn't have that 'Pernel Whitaker' namesake, thats for sure; but Floyd is back so who knows. The biggest thing is that Tito had like what 14 title defenses and that is exceptional and Cotto can't compete at the moment, but the quality of opposition I think is truly there and will get better, especially if PacMan and Floyd fights do happen.
--For Vargas, I've seen alot of his fights and he was a bully until he fought someone who can bang back. I see a fight with Cotto going the same way like DLH fight. It would be a war until Cotto just physically abuses him.
tito's overhand right and uppercut destroys cotto. tito's pressure would have cotto running hard and gassing out. cotto has no power fighting off his back foot.
cotto can run all he wants but eventually tito will catch up to him and destroy him.
if margo (who is slow as fukk) can do it, cotto can do it 50x over. nevermind if margo used plaster or not, the point is, cotto should have outboxed margo easily to at 12 round decision. cotto was performing brilliantly in the first couple rounds and then he gassed.
tito ruins cotto.
If I may interject
Prior to the Mosley/Margarito showdown, nobody was cracking on Margs fighting ability. Everyone thought he was possibly the baddest mofo in a good long time at the division. So now everyone is cracking on Cotto's loss on it, when it was considered one of the best fights in modern history against two of the top WW since the Tito/DLH era. I mean why are we having short memories all of a sudden and down playing Cotto due to it? Sure he disgraced himself, but just 12 months ago Margarito was the talk of the town. Lets not downplay it now to fit your agendas.
First off we aren't compairing Marg to Cotto or Marg to Tito, we are compairing Tito to Cotto so all that doesn't matter. Styles make fights and this is the match up we are concentrating on. Plus, Marg was feared because of his chin, nobody I can remember was talking about Marg being a great skilled boxer and the last I checked, Cotto was a heavy favorite in that fight vs Marg....
Secondly, Tito would not RAPE/MURDER/DESTROY Cotto. It would be highly competitive and can go either way. Cotto's power is just a notch below Tito. People fold like tents when Cotto goes to the body. For all the physical gifts/advantages Tito had...he didn't always capitalize on them. He never used that reach, height. Just the left hook; and honestly, I will compare both men's left hook prowress.
I agree it would be competative but to say Cotto's power is just one notch under Tito is a stretch. Very few fighters have one punch KO power, Tito had it, Cotto doesn't even come close.
And I would always favor a fighter who has more versatility in their arsenal. Cotto can box southpaw, orthodox, from the outside, inside. He can go bull headed or fight coming off angles. Tito only fights one way. Cotto may not put on a boxing clinic like WW or DLH did, but he sure enough do enough to throw Trinidad off his game plan.
We all agree he's the better boxer but would Tito's size and power difference be too much. Tito had a great left hook, something Marg was hitting Cotto with frequently. I think every avantage in skill is on Cotto's side but he still wouldn't be able to overcome Tito's raw size and power. Tito at any time could end the fight with Cotto, I don't see Cotto having that same advantage.
They both have quality beards and take abuse. Margarito NEVER knocked down Cotto, even with the possibility of harden substances. The only time Cotto ever was hurt when the 140 lb limit was visibly sapping away at his power. At 147, he can take bombs with the best of them.
Actually, Marg wasn't really getting clean shots to Cotto's head until after the 9th round. He was reaching him to the body more than anything else. Tito really didn't have a great chin and I would give that edge to Cotto but I still don't think his chin is up to tito's power.
This fight is a toss up and I can see a KO for either of them and UD for Cotto; but to say that Tito trashes is premature. Cotto may very well be the second christening of the WW division. His resume is very solid and he is poised for bigger things.
Cotto is a good solid fighter but hasn't put in the merits that Tito has. At this point in time Tito > Cotto all day. Cotto has yet to fight the best in the division and any talk about him being great is premature.
They are both two of my favorite fighters and I probably wouldn't even watch it cause it'd be rather painful, but Tito just isn't going to sweep him like he's a D class fighter.
AND...people are bringing up Vargas? Vargas? He's been overrated since birth
Tito took his virginity, DLH took his manhood and Cotto would take his life. Get out of here, no 'era' of Vargas can hold a jockstrap to Cotto.
You need to get schooled on a prime Vargas. He had every dissadvantage against Tito and gave him one hell of a fight. He was nowhere near the potential he should have been in that fight and he still gave a prime Tito all he could handle. He also beat Winky, even though it was very close......
Vargas was a beast in his prime and I think him and Cotto would be a war.....
If I may interject
Prior to the Mosley/Margarito showdown, nobody was cracking on Margs fighting ability. Everyone thought he was possibly the baddest mofo in a good long time at the division. So now everyone is cracking on Cotto's loss on it, when it was considered one of the best fights in modern history against two of the top WW since the Tito/DLH era. I mean why are we having short memories all of a sudden and down playing Cotto due to it? Sure he disgraced himself, but just 12 months ago Margarito was the talk of the town. Lets not downplay it now to fit your agendas.
Secondly, Tito would not RAPE/MURDER/DESTROY Cotto. It would be highly competitive and can go either way. Cotto's power is just a notch below Tito. People fold like tents when Cotto goes to the body. For all the physical gifts/advantages Tito had...he didn't always capitalize on them. He never used that reach, height. Just the left hook; and honestly, I will compare both men's left hook prowress.
And I would always favor a fighter who has more versatility in their arsenal. Cotto can box southpaw, orthodox, from the outside, inside. He can go bull headed or fight coming off angles. Tito only fights one way. Cotto may not put on a boxing clinic like WW or DLH did, but he sure enough do enough to throw Trinidad off his game plan.
They both have quality beards and take abuse. Margarito NEVER knocked down Cotto, even with the possibility of harden substances. The only time Cotto ever was hurt when the 140 lb limit was visibly sapping away at his power. At 147, he can take bombs with the best of them.
This fight is a toss up and I can see a KO for either of them and UD for Cotto; but to say that Tito trashes is premature. Cotto may very well be the second christening of the WW division. His resume is very solid and he is poised for bigger things.
They are both two of my favorite fighters and I probably wouldn't even watch it cause it'd be rather painful, but Tito just isn't going to sweep him like he's a D class fighter.
AND...people are bringing up Vargas? Vargas? He's been overrated since birth
Tito took his virginity, DLH took his manhood and Cotto would take his life. Get out of here, no 'era' of Vargas can hold a jockstrap to Cotto.
Co-Sign.....Very nice post....not because you on anyway agree with what I'm saying,but because is non biased and build on "FACTS".
Uh yea, a done Vargas, no compairison.
Also just because fighter A beats fighter B and fighter B beats fighter C, doesn't mean fighter A kills fighter C. Boxing doesn't work that way.
Look up Ali vs Frasier vs Foreman......
Agree even tough I'm not using that formula for my opinion. I still think Cotto will measure pretty good against Vargas.....A classic needless to say.
If I may interject
Prior to the Mosley/Margarito showdown, nobody was cracking on Margs fighting ability. Everyone thought he was possibly the baddest mofo in a good long time at the division. So now everyone is cracking on Cotto's loss on it, when it was considered one of the best fights in modern history against two of the top WW since the Tito/DLH era. I mean why are we having short memories all of a sudden and down playing Cotto due to it? Sure he disgraced himself, but just 12 months ago Margarito was the talk of the town. Lets not downplay it now to fit your agendas.
Secondly, Tito would not RAPE/MURDER/DESTROY Cotto. It would be highly competitive and can go either way. Cotto's power is just a notch below Tito. People fold like tents when Cotto goes to the body. For all the physical gifts/advantages Tito had...he didn't always capitalize on them. He never used that reach, height. Just the left hook; and honestly, I will compare both men's left hook prowress.
And I would always favor a fighter who has more versatility in their arsenal. Cotto can box southpaw, orthodox, from the outside, inside. He can go bull headed or fight coming off angles. Tito only fights one way. Cotto may not put on a boxing clinic like WW or DLH did, but he sure enough do enough to throw Trinidad off his game plan.
They both have quality beards and take abuse. Margarito NEVER knocked down Cotto, even with the possibility of harden substances. The only time Cotto ever was hurt when the 140 lb limit was visibly sapping away at his power. At 147, he can take bombs with the best of them.
This fight is a toss up and I can see a KO for either of them and UD for Cotto; but to say that Tito trashes is premature. Cotto may very well be the second christening of the WW division. His resume is very solid and he is poised for bigger things.
They are both two of my favorite fighters and I probably wouldn't even watch it cause it'd be rather painful, but Tito just isn't going to sweep him like he's a D class fighter.
AND...people are bringing up Vargas? Vargas? He's been overrated since birth
Tito took his virginity, DLH took his manhood and Cotto would take his life. Get out of here, no 'era' of Vargas can hold a jockstrap to Cotto.
Correct me if I'm wrong, But didn't Mosley beat Vargas (Twice)...actually Whoop him? Hmmm Did Cotto Beat SSM?
Uh yea, a done Vargas, no compairison.
Also just because fighter A beats fighter B and fighter B beats fighter C, doesn't mean fighter A kills fighter C. Boxing doesn't work that way.
Look up Ali vs Frasier vs Foreman......
tito destroys cotto under 10 rounds.
I don't think so Cotto is a great fighter, its not like Tito is just going to own him every round -the guys a warrior. His agility is really underrated and his defense is tight; he's most valuable against straight rights only because he blocks his own vision with his hands too much. I see Cotto landing some fierce body shots and then chopping down Tito later rounds. Tito's great left hook isn't enough to stop Miguel, I'm still saying this would be one hell of a fight especially since their both PR's!
Correct me if I'm wrong, But didn't Mosley beat Vargas (Twice)...actually Whoop him? Hmmm Did Cotto Beat SSM?
This Vargas?
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/879/Fernando-Vargas-Shane-Mosley23.jpg
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Feb-26-Sun-2006/photos/2mosley.jpg
Yo estoy de acuerdo con todo de lo que dijiste.
I also love the Spanglish....heheh
In their prime:
Tito beats Cotto
Tito beats Margarito
Vargas beats Cotto
DLH beats Cotto
Dlh BEAT tito
and
JCC beats them all.....hehe
Correct me if I'm wrong, But didn't Mosley beat Vargas (Twice)...actually Whoop him? Hmmm Did Cotto Beat SSM?
lol gracias lol i think a fight with prime tito and prime chavez woulda been a ****ing war i woulda loved seeing that but yea i mean cotot is good but he just gets hit alot and honestly tito got way better chin than cotto hes been down alot but alot of the knockdowns were flash and its because of his stance vargas was a beast and i think vargas kos cotto. tito is just way to powerful for cotto. the only way cotto would win if he had some great defense which he doesnt have
Honestly that would be a dangerous fight for Chavez because he was small in height to Tito. Chavez had an iron chin no doubt and he would have to fight inside and bang the body a lot, would have been interesting.
I agree with you, Cotto at this point isn't the fighter Tito was. No dissrespect to any Puerto Rican's here but that should be blasphamy to say Cotto would beat Tito at this point.
IMO there were only two PR fighters I would rank higher than Tito ever; Wilfredo Benitez and Wilfredo Gomez.
primero yo estaba aqui primero pues si alguin va a salirse seras tu segundo me importa 3 carajo lo que tu pienses y eso es hablando claro. Yo solo dije que lo que tu dijistes que cotto aguanta 90% de los punos de tito es bien estupido sabiendo que cotto cojio golpes de judah y estaba mariado por un segundo el poder de tito es mucho mas grande y el es mucho mas alto y tiene mas reach que cotto tito tuvo problemas con peliadores defensivo cotto no tiene defensa como oscar wiky ni nadie asi cotto coje muchos golpes mira contra margarito contra mosley con judah tito va a conectar y a cotto le va a doler cuando sienta el poder de tito va a tener mucho mas cuidado y tambien su estamina no es lo mejor siempre se cansa
Y a mi me inporta 4 carajos si a ti te inporta 3.....Not wasting anymore time arguing with a stubborn South Fl Beach Boy....Go play Fight Night 4 and tell me who won between Cotto & Trinidad....Shhhhhhh!!!!
stay off drugscome on, if Cotto almost took 12 rounds of plaster vs Marg, he could certainly take Tito's shots. If Cotto had a performance against Tito like he did against Marg, he knocks him out late. Tito doesn't have the greatest chin. Of course, Tito's patented testicle shot when in trouble can always change the course of a fight.
si pero la cosa es que tito y winky son grande los dos pero tito es mas grande que cotto y tiene el reach advantage y mas alto cotto va a tener que entrar y recuerda que si entra tito va a conectar cotto nunca a peliado a nadie que da tan duro que tito. honestly tu crees que cotto le gana a n prime vargas? yo no para mi vargas le gana a cotto tambien y ami me gusta cotto mucho es mi favorito boxiador ahora pero el no podria con vargas y pa ganarle a tito va a tener que entrar y salir y moverse mucho y la estamina de cotto no es la mejor stamina y cuando se canse se jodio si margarito pudo conectar tito va a conectar y mas duro.
Yo estoy de acuerdo con todo de lo que dijiste.
I also love the Spanglish....heheh
In their prime:
Tito beats Cotto
Tito beats Margarito
Vargas beats Cotto
DLH beats Cotto
Dlh BEAT tito
and
JCC beats them all.....hehe
That's cool, I can see you are a huge Cotto fan and I repsect that. I personally don't have anything against Cotto to be honest with you. He's one of my favorite PR fighters of all time because he's humble and a hard worker.
I just think you forget how hard Tito hit at 147lbs. He also had a reach and size advantage to Cotto.
As far as DLH getting killed by Cotto right now, yea and Chris Areola would kill Mike Tyson right now.....what's your point? People get old, some quicker than others.
Tito never used his height/reach advantage, that's why I said on my previous post he will play right into Cotto's strategy....fighting and trading inside....Agree on the DLH comment but Tyson doesn't fight anymore....up until like 2 months a go DLH did....That's all...I have mad respect for DLH and is one of my favorites Mexican Americans Fighters of all time.
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