I count 5 for Cotto unless you aren't seriously counting his debut against a 0-0 opponent? please tell me you're not
and also please tell me you are not thinking that having a 0 means anything? Maussa and Pinto do not remind me of murderer's row. I would take Mayweather's two serious undefeated fighters (Hatton and Chico) against the 5 Cotto had (Maussa, Pinto, Malignaggi, Torres and Quintana) anyday
well mayweather only have 2. floyd think because he has a 0 he is the best
i think its important to look not just at who he has faced but how well has he done, hoe he has performed and the way that he has dominated the rest of the opposotion. for alot of fans the resume is all about being able to log onto boxrec, scroll through the list and see how many names they can recognize.
that might be how the casual fans identify a good fighter but alot of hardcore boxing fans know that foyd is a damn good fighter.
his resume is very good, but what is even more impressive is how floyd has dominated virtually every fighter he has faced (in his weight class), with the exception of castillo but even then floyd showed what he is all about in the rematch
Yeah and the reason he was able to dominate is because of the opposition
anyone cotto and Mosley can fight b and c level fighters who might have belts and look great and dominate
the two differences are
1. they would knock most of them out and
2. they choose to take on most challengers where Floyd picks fighters that suit his shoulder roll pot shot style
If a fighter is so dominant he will evetually hit his opponent so hard that he will KO them and floyd just cant
I know what the excuse is brittle hands blah blah blah
cotto resume vs floyd resume im putting it side by side im not saying anyone is better than the other fighter.
mosley-de la hoya
judah-judah
corley-corley
sosa-sosa
quintana-bladomir
clottey-corrales
urkal-mitchel
mayweather took only four fighters with 0
cotto took six with 0 in their record
I count 5 for Cotto unless you aren't seriously counting his debut against a 0-0 opponent? please tell me you're not
and also please tell me you are not thinking that having a 0 means anything? Maussa and Pinto do not remind me of murderer's row. I would take Mayweather's two serious undefeated fighters (Hatton and Chico) against the 5 Cotto had (Maussa, Pinto, Malignaggi, Torres and Quintana) anyday
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in 2006-2007 who were the best fighters at 147.:smashfrea
this should be fun:ugh:
two years worth?
consistently there was
Margarito
Mosley
by mid 07 you could add Cotto to the list
c'mon puerto ricans... floyd only option after jmm is to fight mosley. if the arum/floyd feud ruins a fight with pac (which is a huge huge fight), it will ruin a fight w/ cotto.
if floyd beats jmm and mosley, that should be enough.
i don't care if he don't fight cotto but he can't say he's the best
It's better than Cottos, it's not garbage and certainly isn't the best out there.....why isn't there some kind of middle ground? It's good but it could and should be so much better. He's going to have to make it a little better and fight some top WW if he really wants the great legacy he seems to think he already has. The choice is his but as a fan I'm not overly impressed with his choice of opposition and it's disappointing because he is a great boxer.
cotto resume vs floyd resume im putting it side by side im not saying anyone is better than the other fighter.
mosley-de la hoya
judah-judah
corley-corley
sosa-sosa
quintana-bladomir
clottey-corrales
urkal-mitchel
mayweather took only four fighters with 0
cotto took six with 0 in their record
You could have scored the fight for casa, I know a lot of people who thought he took it, i'l have to watch it again as its been a long time, but from what I remember it could have easily gone either way...casa definitely landed the better shots, but if you fight the entire fight off the back foot the decision can go against that fighter unless they show they are completely dominating and casa was far from completely dominating
I agree. Dont get me wrong neither of them did enough to say they categorically won the fight, but i thought Castillo was as ineffective as Joe Calzaghe against B Hop as the aggressor.
I cant give rounds for hustle and bustle. It could of gone either way though.
Well imo Castillo was not the effective aggressor, that is why i did not have him winning the fight. Casa landed the cleaner more accurate shots, and Castillo was the ineffective aggressor.
Its like Camacho vs Mancini. Mancini forced the fight, but it was all uff and puff like Castillo, he did not get anything done.
You could have scored the fight for casa, I know a lot of people who thought he took it, i'l have to watch it again as its been a long time, but from what I remember it could have easily gone either way...casa definitely landed the better shots, but if you fight the entire fight off the back foot the decision can go against that fighter unless they show they are completely dominating and casa was far from completely dominating
140 was wack and actually worse than 147.
IMO to leave no doubt about Mayweather he would need to
look good in beating JMM
take on 2 of the following
Cotto
Mosley
Pacquiao
and beat them.
That would definitely add to his legacy and if and how he beat them may well complete it, especially the pac fight, but for me if he wants to mentioned among the best of all-time (im talking 1-10) he has to take on a fight like leonard taking on hagler, now im not comparing paul williams to hagler, but...if he went up to 154 and beat him, that would be seriously impressive.
For this fight to take place though a few things have to happen, floyd has to get passed the afformentioned names, plus williams needs to keep winning in style, and unify 154.
absolutely
JLC did a lot of bodywork and yes while Casa landed the cleaner shots he clearly wasn't active enough
7-5 if I remember correctly
Well imo Castillo was not the effective aggressor, that is why i did not have him winning the fight. Casa landed the cleaner more accurate shots, and Castillo was the ineffective aggressor.
Its like Camacho vs Mancini. Mancini forced the fight, but it was all uff and puff like Castillo, he did not get anything done.
BTW did anyone actually think Castillo beat Casa, because i dont, and i think Casa should of lost to Nate Campbell.
absolutely
JLC did a lot of bodywork and yes while Casa landed the cleaner shots he clearly wasn't active enough
7-5 if I remember correctly
and I probably did read something about numbers but it looks like others already shitted on your posts so why bother?
This about sums you up. Pretty sad thing to say. This is a forum some people will agree and some wont you should try to form your own opinions without passing the buck. As for the arguement nothing has changed at all so ill go over it for the third time i guess. If i gave floyd and pac a 10 and chico and castillo a 7 and yes i would put juddah and baldo slightly behind them on about 5. This isnt an exact science im trying to keep it simple for you. If i was being exact i would probably put juddah slightly ahead of baldo overall.
As soon as said i thought your two guys were closer to baldo and juddah than the really top guys you came straight out with
no I dont care honestly. I dont think your thought process is enough to realize you honestly come up short when discussing anything beyond surface level
you sound like nothing more than a recent casual fan who thinks they know the sport so I will leave it at that
This indicates to me you got a few problems. You obviously hold chico in a higher regard then me but you will have to respect others opinions as well. Then you go ahead and accuse me of making broad statements. My advice is to grow up a bit :alucard:
I agree wit this homey. I didn't knock Mr boat buyer for 140 cuz Hatton and Cotto weren't ready to fight him at the time he was there. Co-sign the rest. To hell wit Pac tho. Mr boat buyer needs to beat SSM and Cotto at 147.
I think most knew 140 was just a stopping point and eventually he would move to 147. Ideally, he would end up fighting the best at 147 but so far we haven't gotten that
hopefully that changes BUT the worst thing that could have happened was Mayweather getting popular (in relative terms) and making money more than challenges his priority
I guess the reason why I personally do not shit on that aspect is because for some its about getting as much money out of what you do as possible. Im cool with that but when it comes down to legacy you do leave a lot to be debated about