Just rewatching Trinidad vs Vargas.

Man that was a hell of a fight. :boxing: No shit! I FRIKKEN Love that fight they was my favourite and second favourite fighters at the time (Tyson aside) and i couldnt pick a winner Vargas was all but finnished from then on tho

Well, don't confuse staying busy with taking the big fight early. Campas and Chavez stayed busy, which is a trade mark of Mexican fighters but they took the big fight as soon as it came. The reason why this happens is the obvious, they need money. When you live in poverty, you understand you might not get another chance at the big bucks. Someone like Trinidad and Cotto were coddled early on, setting up their big payday. I don't think the handlers for Ortiz will do the same since he has been brought up here in the U.S. He could be something special if they handle him right. What he said.

I don't understand why there is such emphasis on the low blow (actually, I do. Thanks, Jim Lampley!). It didn't affect the fight. Yes Vargas dropped Tito in the fourth but he wasn't seriously hurt...at all. That was a flash knockdown if I ever saw one. And second, it certainly didn't change the momentum of the bout. Vargas' best rounds were 5 & 6. But the fight turned around again once Tito started puttin' them thangs on him in the seventh.

Trinidad might have had his magic wraps on, and he low blowed the hell out of Vargas when Vargas was controlling the pace.

I don't know if that's always true (Campas & Chavez are two opposites to that) but you're right about Vargas. Tito was simply too much at this stage. had he been maneuvered right, he may have ended up better than all of them. Hard to believe he gave Oscar as many problems as he did, especially considering how terrible he looked after Tito (Rivera and the sparring partner he fought). Well, don't confuse staying busy with taking the big fight early. Campas and Chavez stayed busy, which is a trade mark of Mexican fighters but they took the big fight as soon as it came. The reason why this happens is the obvious, they need money. When you live in poverty, you understand you might not get another chance at the big bucks. Someone like Trinidad and Cotto were coddled early on, setting up their big payday. I don't think the handlers for Ortiz will do the same since he has been brought up here in the U.S. He could be something special if they handle him right.

Thrown to the wolves too early. Destined legends of the game might overcome such a test, but failure is the norm. yup... this could happen to victor ortiz. I hope his handlers learn from vargas' career.

The fight there ruined Vargas.... Would his career had been any different had he not had that fight who knows

Reguardless, it was a great fight and I think if Vargas would have been manged better, he could have been a real player in that division. I hate to say it but most Mexican fighters aren't handled very well. They are thrown into the fire early on and it has hurt a lot of good young Mexican prospects. I don't know if that's always true (Campas & Chavez are two opposites to that) but you're right about Vargas. Tito was simply too much at this stage. had he been maneuvered right, he may have ended up better than all of them. Hard to believe he gave Oscar as many problems as he did, especially considering how terrible he looked after Tito (Rivera and the sparring partner he fought).

Hell of a fight! Vargas was also relentless, getting up twice from consecutive knockdowns in the first round and eventually knocking Tito down in the 4th, eventually succumbing to a murderous finisher in the 12th. Great win for Tito!

Well I agree. He was coming on strong. Check that--he DID come ons trong. It's not like the low blow messed him up. Vargas had his best rounds after the low blow. Reguardless, it was a great fight and I think if Vargas would have been manged better, he could have been a real player in that division. I hate to say it but most Mexican fighters aren't handled very well. They are thrown into the fire early on and it has hurt a lot of good young Mexican prospects.

Actually Vargas was coming on strong right before the low blows came into play. I'm not making excuses and think Trinidad would still have a better chance of winning but it is what it is.... Well I agree. He was coming on strong. Check that--he DID come ons trong. It's not like the low blow messed him up. Vargas had his best rounds after the low blow.

The low blow isn't why Vargas lost. It wasn't like Tito was so stunned and, actually, Vargas won the next few rounds. Trinidad was simply too relentless that night--he boxed well and his power punches were ridiculous. Actually Vargas was coming on strong right before the low blows came into play. I'm not making excuses and think Trinidad would still have a better chance of winning but it is what it is....

The fight was brutal.. I always go from that to watching Vargas/Oscar and then to top that off if im still in the mood Mosley/Vargas 2

Tito's power punches were crazy in this fight. To think Vargas was only 24 when he fought Oscar...........QUOTE] He was 24 and damn near finished. Kinda crazy...

Tito's power punches were crazy in this fight. To think Vargas was only 24 when he fought Oscar...........

The low blow isn't why Vargas lost. It wasn't like Tito was so stunned and, actually, Vargas won the next few rounds. Trinidad was simply too relentless that night--he boxed well and his power punches were ridiculous.

What round was the devastating low blow in? There were a few low blows..... Vargas fought a stupid fight though, he was too agressive should have boxed more and it could have been a different outcome.

Poor Vargas. He had so much promise before that. I mean, I thought he was on his way to being the next pound for pound king. He boxed well, showed good pop, solid defense, and a solid chin. And that all changed when Tito hit him with that first left hook in the opening round, the one that made Fernando pull out his cell phone, call his buddy and tell him, "man, this muthaphukka hits hard!" LOL, funny

Poor Vargas. He had so much promise before that. I mean, I thought he was on his way to being the next pound for pound king. He boxed well, showed good pop, solid defense, and a solid chin. And that all changed when Tito hit him with that first left hook in the opening round, the one that made Fernando pull out his cell phone, call his buddy and tell him, "man, this muthaphukka hits hard!"

I was chocked at how Vargas could come back from that first round to make it a close fight..! Vargas got heart.