Why did Floyd fought Hatton at 147?

the world knows ricky hatton sucks big balls at 147, i dont know why you think he is the same at 140 i never said there was anything wrong for pac to move up to 147. i support it in fact Your Hopeless :lol1: Make sure you are against Freddie's plan to prevent fights with Shane and Cotto if they don't give 4-5 pounds worth of blood.

bitching? i dont do that. all i said was hatton at 147 would tend to ballon up to the point where he gets sluggish. mayweather is aware of this as well that is why he decided to fight hatton to where he was disadvantage now you are being absurd, a ten pound size difference and a 100 pounds are totally different And you didn't listen to what I wrote. Hatton's team said THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE THEY DID WITH COLLAZO WHEN THEY LAST FOUGHT AT WW. Ricky would show up at his normal JrWW fight-time weight. So if size doesn't matter what is wrong with Pac going back up to 147 since it is only 7 pounds and Pac already fought there and looked great?

yes, it would be the same division a fighter decides to fight light or heavy is up to them, again size does not decide the outcome So why are you bitching about Floyd vs. Hatton being at 147? And why is Freddie bitching about Shane, Cotto, and Floyd must move down to be drained or no fight? Pac needs to man up and Fight Wlad if size doesn't decide the outcome. P4P is nothing then. The HW crown is the only title that matters.

What are you talking about? I just said asked you what sense does it make to drop down to 140 pounds..a weight he hasnt been at in 5 years....in your FIRST fight back after a two year layoff? It makes ZERO sense..... And fighting Shane in your first fight back after a 2 year layoff makes less sense. How did that work for Winky...he got his ass beat...badly. Floyd relies on timing...speed...accuracy..reflexes and defense..things that go away over time..he needed a bout to sharpen his skills So you're saying JMM is a tuneup, thank you.

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Thread: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230484&page=7 Joey Gamache's case against NYSAC on after 9-year wait BY MITCH ABRAMSON DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Monday, December 22nd 2008, 9:10 PM http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/23/alg_gamache.jpg For a brief moment, Joey Gamache was flying through space. When he finally crashed down in the ring at Madison Square Garden nearly nine years ago, his retirement and the kernels of a lawsuit would be hatched. Three judges and a trio of attorneys later, Gamache will finally get his day in court. On Monday, Judge Melvin Schweitzer of the New York Court of Claims produced a 26-page decision, sending the civil case to trial and beginning the process of resolving a matter that has been shrouded in controversy throughout this decade. Gamache contends that Arturo Gatti, his opponent for his Feb.26, 2000, bout, was allowed to weigh in over the agreed-upon weight limit of 141 pounds and that Gatti was given an unfair advantage in the ring. The night of the bout, Gatti reportedly weighed 160 pounds, according to HBO scales, while Gamache, who made weight the day before, checked in at 145 pounds. The result was inevitable. Gamache was nearly decapitated in the second round, retired from the sport on his way back to the dressing room and was reported to have sustained permanent brain damage. Shortly thereafter, Gamache filed a lawsuit against the New York State Athletic Commission, alleging fraud, breach of contract and negligence at the Feb.25 weigh-in. Two of the causes were thrown out, while the negligence cause of action withstood. "We're extremely pleased that by making this decision the court is saying loud and clear that the commission can and will be held responsible when they conduct themselves in a negligent manner that results in injuries to the fighters," said Gamache's attorney, Keith Sullivan. "They had a duty that day that when Joey weighed in at 141 pounds, that his opponent also weighed in at the same weight. It's disgraceful." No trial date has been set, nor has compensation been discussed, but Sullivan expects the case to begin in February or March. Gamache, 42, lives in Manhattan and works as a boxing trainer. A year after Gamache's alleged incident at the weigh-in, Beethaeven Scottland was killed because of injuries incurred in the ring against George Khalid Jones at the U.S.S. Intrepid. Sullivan described the New York State Commission back then as "a festering ground of political patronage with guys who didn't have the knowledge or skills to help the fighters." Thanks for sharing this article..green K given.

ok benny, what's with the articles? you lost me man That it does matter what they weigh by fight-time. That's their ACTUAL FIGHTING WEIGHT. They don't step off the scales and then fight. They rehydrate their bodies and can put on a ton of weight. That's why Clottey weighed 170 against Diego Corrales at WW/147. So say it is at 147: You can have one guy come into the fight at 149...and another come in at 170. That's the same division? Gatti-Gamache Arturo Gatti vs. Joey Gamache - February 26th 2000Uploaded by sostibo - Basketball, baseball, pro wrestling and more sports videos.

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/41/5_steps_that_can_taken_now_to_improve_boxer_safety/ 5 steps that can taken now to improve boxer safety By Margaret Goodman, M.D.Buzz up! When I became a ring physician in 1994, I was naïve about the boxing business. But as I became more involved in the sport on a local and national level, the outright refusal by many officials to implement desperately needed changes to protect fighters and improve safety became suffocating. Why the delay? Is it just naivete on the part of others? Or is safety often too complicated a distraction? And when is naivete merely blind ignorance? While safety in sports like NASCAR and professional football has evolved, boxing safety has not, at least not sufficiently. Commissions concentrate on deflecting blame rather than ensuring that federal law is followed. Accountability simply doesn’t exist. Let’s simplify the matter and start not with what we wish, but what we can change now to advance boxer protection. Five changes that could improve fighter safety: 1. Go back to same-day weigh-ins If an athlete is well-conditioned, the timing of the weigh-in shouldn’t matter. For generations, the weigh-in took place the day of the fight. Boxers would step on a scale, drink a cup of water and step in the ring. But some of them came into a bout so dry they were unable to give a good performance. They often failed to replace essential fluids and therefore couldn’t address problems on a cellular level that resulted from dehydrating to make weight. In the mid-1980s, the weigh-in was pushed back to 24-hours before a bout to address the dehydration issue. Many were optimistic this would be a springboard to educate fighters and trainers about the dangers of dehydration. Unfortunately, the day-before-the-fight weigh-in has become an agent of unfairness contradictory to fighter safety. Contracts are too often based on earning power and not body size, meaning boxers are competing in weight classes in which they don’t belong. With many weigh-ins taking place more than 24 hours before the bout, fighters are not just replenishing water but actually gaining weight. Same-day weigh-ins would force fighters to compete in a weight class where they belong. Also, if they would show up at the weigh-in (no more than 12 hours before the bout) dehydrated, they simply wouldn’t be cleared to fight. The cost to return to same-day weigh-ins would be negligible. Over a short period of time, it would encourage fighters to compete in a weight class in which they belong. Fights would be fairer, and there would be less wear and tear on the fighter’s body. And, ultimately, healthy, well-hydrated fighters make for more exciting fights. Boxing needs to admit its mistake and revert to same-day weigh-ins.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/11643791/ Boxer injured in 2000 fight sues Gatti Gamache sustained brain damage, says opponent weighed too much in ring NEW YORK - A former boxer who says he sustained permanent brain damage in a 2000 bout against Arturo Gatti is now suing, saying Gatti weighed too much for the fight. Joey Gamache, 39, and his wife filed a lawsuit in federal court Feb. 21 alleging breach of contract over the Feb. 26, 2000 bout at Madison Square Garden. Gatti won the fight. By contract, both fighters had to weigh 141 pounds by at least eight hours before the bout started, according to the suit filed by lawyer Keith Sullivan. Gatti made weight the day before the fight, but the suit said his weight was “falsely represented” then and that he was actually 160 pounds by the time he got into the ring the next day. Gatti overwhelmed Gamache in the first round and the fight was stopped 20 seconds into Round Two, but Gamache was hospitalized for two days afterward, the suit said. “As a result of the devastating punishment inflicted by the severely overweight defendant ... (Gamache) has sustained severe and permanent neurological damages and injuries, which caused him to end his career as a professional boxer,” according to the suit. Gamache, who suffers from migraine headaches he attributes to the beating, now works as a boxing trainer at Gleason’s Gym in Brooklyn. “Every day is a battle,” Sullivan said Thursday. “He has great difficulty getting past these migraine headaches and he takes a cocktail of medications to get through it.” Gamache has a separate complaint pending before the state Court of Claims against the New York State Athletic Commission over the administration of the weigh-in, Sullivan said. Donald Tremblay, spokesman for Bloomfield, N.J.-based Main Events, Gatti’s promoter, said the company had not been served with the complaint and wouldn’t comment on its claims. A breach-of-contract suit filed by Gamache over the fight was voluntarily withdrawn by him in August 2004, with the endorsement of U.S. District Judge Laura Taylor Swain, according to Tremblay. Tremblay said he didn’t know what Gatti’s weight was by the time the fight began. “I don’t know how much weight he gained afterward. That was when Arturo was really working hard to make weight. How much he actually gained, I don’t know. He worked hard to get down and make the weight. After that, when you replenish with liquids you’re going to gain some weight back. Some guys gain more than others

Thread: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230484&page=7 Joey Gamache's case against NYSAC on after 9-year wait BY MITCH ABRAMSON DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Monday, December 22nd 2008, 9:10 PM http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/23/alg_gamache.jpg For a brief moment, Joey Gamache was flying through space. When he finally crashed down in the ring at Madison Square Garden nearly nine years ago, his retirement and the kernels of a lawsuit would be hatched. Three judges and a trio of attorneys later, Gamache will finally get his day in court. On Monday, Judge Melvin Schweitzer of the New York Court of Claims produced a 26-page decision, sending the civil case to trial and beginning the process of resolving a matter that has been shrouded in controversy throughout this decade. Gamache contends that Arturo Gatti, his opponent for his Feb.26, 2000, bout, was allowed to weigh in over the agreed-upon weight limit of 141 pounds and that Gatti was given an unfair advantage in the ring. The night of the bout, Gatti reportedly weighed 160 pounds, according to HBO scales, while Gamache, who made weight the day before, checked in at 145 pounds. The result was inevitable. Gamache was nearly decapitated in the second round, retired from the sport on his way back to the dressing room and was reported to have sustained permanent brain damage. Shortly thereafter, Gamache filed a lawsuit against the New York State Athletic Commission, alleging fraud, breach of contract and negligence at the Feb.25 weigh-in. Two of the causes were thrown out, while the negligence cause of action withstood. "We're extremely pleased that by making this decision the court is saying loud and clear that the commission can and will be held responsible when they conduct themselves in a negligent manner that results in injuries to the fighters," said Gamache's attorney, Keith Sullivan. "They had a duty that day that when Joey weighed in at 141 pounds, that his opponent also weighed in at the same weight. It's disgraceful." No trial date has been set, nor has compensation been discussed, but Sullivan expects the case to begin in February or March. Gamache, 42, lives in Manhattan and works as a boxing trainer. A year after Gamache's alleged incident at the weigh-in, Beethaeven Scottland was killed because of injuries incurred in the ring against George Khalid Jones at the U.S.S. Intrepid. Sullivan described the New York State Commission back then as "a festering ground of political patronage with guys who didn't have the knowledge or skills to help the fighters."

hattons official weight is at 140, 45 of his 47 fight were all jww. the weight he gains by fight time does not matter. what matters is the official weight, not fight time weight mayweather knew hatton would ballon up to the point where he gets sluggish at 147. and hatton did and try to answer my questions first before you post yours, tx So Pac should have no problem going back up to 147 since it is only 7 pounds where he can face Cotto and Shane, right? After all, he fought there for Oscar. It's only 7 pounds. Hatton showed up at his normal weight. Go back over the interviews before the fight and leading up to the weigh-in. Kerry Kayes discussed this. They weren't going to make the same mistake again. And by the way, I posted the update for Gatti-Gamache in my weight division thread so somebody found that it did matter. Also look up the other article with the Doctor's advice (who is in boxing).

Hes never weighed anything more then 148 for WW fights. Hell only be about 145-147 if its at 140. then a fight with Manny Pacquaio will be a match in terms of weight. that's cool.

Floyd was the lineal Welterweight and Hatton had a Welterweight belt. Made sense.

On that note thread closed. Manny will weigh 148 or more vs. JMM @ 140. Floyd will weigh 146-147 vs. JMM @ 144 so you are telling me that Floyd Jr is only gonna rehydrate 6-7 pounds if the fight is at 140? I'm thinking around 152-154.

hatton was undefeated at the time at 140, and looked shit at 147 if you were in mayweather's shoes, would you want to fight that hatton at 140 or 147? be honest and dont say 'good try' like you have made a point because you have not. mayweather is bigger than pacquiao, only a fool would say otherwise Ah, missed the point again. Reread the entire post carefully. Not hard to figure out. Oh, and will Hatton show up at 140 by fight-time? And what would Floyd show up at? And why was Hatton "not ready" for Floyd despite Floyd's calls?

Dont forget Roach wanted Margarito to come down to 142!!!! LMAO Well, actually, I should make that CLEAR: It's FREDDIE ROACH and not Pac since I don't think Pac really cares where he fights and who he fights. It's Roach who will get the advantages for him. Although Pac goes along with it but he won't step on Roach's toes because Roach helped him get to where he is today. Good friendship. Roach is just looking out for Pac so I do understand it. And, I never said it wasn't smart because it is. Freddie is a smart guy.

floyds official weight division is at 144, hahaha i call it the 'maywelter weight' division So what would Pac's be when he wants to fight drain fighters at 142/3? Vampire division? Suck the blood out of fighters like Cotto and Shane by 4-5 pounds.

So then the same applies for JMM vs PBF @ 147? thats why he wanted JMM at 147lbs? Say Floyd goes down to 140 for the division. He won't be 140 pounds come fight-time, like Pac and Hatton weren'' come fight-time. So, why bother? He is actually being honest about the situation. He says, look: I'm 146-149 come fight-time, that's where I will be. Why bother telling people it will be a 140 pound fight when it won't be. Hatton and Pac will say: Look, I know we are fighting in the JrWW/140 pound division, but what we have to do is take some pills to piss out the water in our body and then stick a needle in our arm to rehydrate ourselves up 10-20 pounds. So yes, even though we say we are 140 pounds, we really aren't come the actual fight. The funny thing is this: JMM moved up for Pac. If JMM were to fight Pac now, Pac would be 148 pounds come fight-time. Or even at 135/LW, Pac was 147 pounds...so that is the weight JMM would have to deal with..147+ Now...who is 147+ that JMM is going to face next?

So then the same applies for JMM vs PBF @ 147? thats why he wanted JMM at 147lbs? Its even worst because Marquez is lighter than Hatton. Therefore, an easier win for PBF.

i dont think this is the case, making weight is not an issue to pbf. walk in the park for him at the time, hatton was the king at 140 and looked unstoppable. however at 147 he looked slugish and does not have the same aura like he does at jww (ie. collaza). floyd saw this as a weakness and use it to his advantage Correction: He looked sluggish in the WW division against Collazo because he weighed 158 pounds. Hatton's Team said it was a mistake trying to make Ricky a full blown WW like the rest of the WW that blow up in weight...so, they decided against this for Floyd and showed up at a healthy/working weight for Floyd at WW. Basically, what Hatton usually shows up at by fight-time for his JrWW fights. Of course, since he is still over 147 for his JrWW bouts, he had to still drain a bit then rehydrate but just not the amount he would have had it been at 140. Seriously, Floyd weighs the same as Pac come fight-time...but good try. For Floyd: Floyd was actually much better at 140 than he was at 147. From 130-140, he was overall better.