you guys are insane if you think that he beats Floyd. If you bet on him then you will go broke. Not only will he lose but he will look like a clown in the process. I use to think that Pac had grown as an all around fighter but he hasnt. He's still basically the same guy and thats why JMM will always give him hell. No way he kills JMM at 140 like people think. He's still pretty sloppy and doesnt have great fundementals. He has good footwork when it comes to doing what he wants to do but his footwork is horrible if you make him do something else. Hatton just played right into his hands. People think that he's so different from the guy that fought JMM but look at who he's fought. He fought Diaz, Oscar, and Hatton. 3 guys with horrible skills at this stage of there career who all were coming right at him with no D.
Its a completely different fight with Floyd. It would be exactly like Pac fighting JMM except Floyd's bigger, stonger, faster, has a much better defense, is taller, and even though the haterz dont want to beleive it, he's actually smarter and is a better pure boxer then JMM. Trust me, Im not a hater. I actually was worried that Pac may give him hell. I thought because Pac was a Southpaw and all this that he may give Floyd real trouble. Ive always said that the only way to beat Floyd is to either be so much bigger then him that all he can do is pot shot or you have to be a Southpaw who catches him. I thought Pac's combo of size, speed, power, and Southpaw style may give Floyd serious trouble. I saw Zab land a few shots early until Floyd figured him out and I saw Chop catch him and land a few shots but guess what? Zab, Chop, and Mitchell are all way way way better pure boxers then Pac. I thought he had grown but he hasnt. Floyd would eat him up and it would be easy. People are insane when they say that Floyd wont want the fight. I bet he wants that fight more then anything because he knows that he will dominate him and I think Roach is even worried about it.
Seriously though, I think not only does Floyd win but he wins easily and makes Pac look like a straight amature. It would be like all the JMM highlights against Pac but Floyd will be doing it non stop all fight because his D is superior to JMM and he's faster and stronger. He'll outclass Pac so bad and then stop him. This will be a mega event and its going to end by a shocking one sided KO with Pac looking like he wasnt even close to being in Floyd's league. He's still sloppy, off balance, and basic with his punches. Theyre so basic and if you think that stuff that works on David Diaz, Hatton, and a zombied Oscar will work on Floyd then you are in for the shock of your life. He'll beat Pac so bad that it will make him darn near legendary in the mainstream. As good as I think that Floyd is, the Pac fight will make him look even better because of there styles and skill level. I added this in a later post but its one of the main reasons why I wrote this and that is to say that Pac is wide open for the straight right. Southpaws are open to it but he's way way open to it and he cant counter with that right hook because Floyd keeps his left hand up unlike Hatton.
Floyd will land that punch a million times in this fight and make the crowd saw ooh every time. There are going to be a ton of ooh punches in this fight from Floyd because the difference in pure skill levels. You will see his punches so clean while Pac will mostly land grazing stuff at best. I think it will be like a poor mans or rich mans MAB-Naz depending on which way you look at it.
Its not the style of the fight bnut the skill and fundementals of the fighter. Sure he may fight Floyd a different way but he's still going to be flawed and amatureish in alot of things that he does. Thats why he will always blowout a guy like Hatton, Oscar, and Diaz but will always have hell with a guy like JMM
after a roach revise some tactics against pbf I think manny has a great chance to pull the win..
and what makes you so sure that pac will have that "flaws" your talking about when fight night comes. the point is anything will happen and i think pbf has 1 or more flaws that I dont know that will be exploited by manny during their fight. "pbf huggers, pls cross your finger and hope im wrong" :nana:
Damn.. You got that by watching Pac beat up Hatton. Or it could also mean that Hatton is so wide open that Pac does not have to do anything special. You said that hatton is a different fighter than Hatton. Could it also mean that Roach "might" employ a different gameplan against Floyd? Basically Pac had the Physical ability to mach floyd.I aint saying Pac will beat floyd (I have floyd by UD) butim just saying you cant guage the match by watching his match against hatton.
Good post. Why would Pac fight PBF the same way as he did Hatton?:dunno:I think him and Roach are smart enough to know PBF ain't going to come running in with his hands down.
i have to disagree with you on this one. i read through long posts because that shows me that the poster has a lot of insight on what's going on in boxing. many people don't respond to my posts either when they are very long...i take it as them being afraid to argue against me when it comes to floyd because many of them don't really know what to say...dlt does back up his opinions as do i, and we see the truth...when i go through these threads and read all of these posts claiming floyd is a pussy and a coward and he's gayweather and a chicken shit and all that other bullshit---i have to make long posts because for those posters who are mad that dlt or myself make long paragraphs--yet al they can put in their posts is floyd is gay or whatever--then it only makes it easier for me and dlt to argue like we do--we actually seem to know a little bit about boxing huh?lol. but i see what you're saying...although i can't agree because this forum needs posters like DLT AND PBFTXRS316 on here to school these young dumb ****s on truly great fighters---i was a fighter myslef and i respect the art of boxing and floyd mayweather jr has more than proven that he is the truth in that ring and he will dust jmm and pacman, period.
That's fair enough I understand that, like I said I got nothing against DLT he is a very good poster and knows his stuff.What I meant was if he could manage to shorten them a bit then maybe more people would read them and take his opinion into account anymore. You know what I mean?
its true..his balance is gamboaish and his defense isnt all that..his punches are sloppy..floyd will own pacman...but hey he's entertaining fast and strong thats all that matters these days
I agree with the balance thing, even though Pacquiao absolutely owned Hatton I saw that Hatton wobbled him twice after hitting him, not saying this determines the outcome of there fight but it is something to take into account for sure.
DLT, your a great poster and all... bring good points, but could I please just ask you to narrow the posts a bit smaller, and put it a bit more in brief... I mean I don't mind reading large posts occasionally but too a limit.
No disrespect, just saying you got a very good view on things and people would respect it even more if you put them shorter because some people would just think "can't be arsed to read all of that!".
At least you back your posts up with an explanation though like Reed said, a lot of people on here don't! :fing02:i have to disagree with you on this one. i read through long posts because that shows me that the poster has a lot of insight on what's going on in boxing. many people don't respond to my posts either when they are very long...i take it as them being afraid to argue against me when it comes to floyd because many of them don't really know what to say...dlt does back up his opinions as do i, and we see the truth...when i go through these threads and read all of these posts claiming floyd is a pussy and a coward and he's gayweather and a chicken shit and all that other bullshit---i have to make long posts because for those posters who are mad that dlt or myself make long paragraphs--yet al they can put in their posts is floyd is gay or whatever--then it only makes it easier for me and dlt to argue like we do--we actually seem to know a little bit about boxing huh?lol. but i see what you're saying...although i can't agree because this forum needs posters like DLT AND PBFTXRS316 on here to school these young dumb ****s on truly great fighters---i was a fighter myslef and i respect the art of boxing and floyd mayweather jr has more than proven that he is the truth in that ring and he will dust jmm and pacman, period.
pac sloppy, mayweather going to expose him. whatever pac is the real deal. tell me one fighter that has the combination of speed skill strength heart and stamina. pac is a true prizefighter and can beat mayweather.
I believe that the Mighty "Super-Pac-Attack" fight plan will put a damper on poor Floyd's performance should they meet. The Genius of Trainer Roach, Michael Moorer, Buboy Fernandez and the entire Team Pacquiao will once again come to the fore and the Pacman will execute the plan with pure brilliance in the ring. There is no stopping him now. Poor Mayweather will be humbled. JAT :wave:
You are a bit biased though lets be right...
I believe that the Mighty "Super-Pac-Attack" fight plan will put a damper on poor Floyd's performance should they meet. The Genius of Trainer Roach, Michael Moorer, Buboy Fernandez and the entire Team Pacquiao will once again come to the fore and the Pacman will execute the plan with pure brilliance in the ring. There is no stopping him now. Poor Mayweather will be humbled. JAT :wave:
I bet you have a picture of Pac nuts on your wall huh, every time i see you post its always about Pac did you even like any other boxers beside Filipino boxers?
"Pacman is sloppy".
Holy. ****ing. Shit.
Sometimes I ask myself why I come here.
If Floyd happens to lose to someone who's "sloppy", it makes his entire career look like a complete joke.
If Floyd wins, he deserves no credit for beating a sloppy, amateurish fighter.
Twats.then maybe you should learn how to answer yourself and leave here. pacman is sloppy. so is shane mosley imo, that's not taking anything away from their styles. they've been successful with it, but you cannot be sloppy when fighting floyd, he'll make you look really stupid. again, that is a testament to floyd's skillset, not really manny's. he is a very good fighter--but floyd could very well be the most gifted technician this sport has ever seen--if floyd loses to pacman--very good for pacman--when floyd beats pacman--i will rub it in so many people's faces who claim this fight will either be close or a pacman victory...pacman is not floyd's roberto duran or antonio tarver...or jake lamotta...or joe frazier...or buster douglass...i don't see a fighter out there who is that to floyd..that's how ****ing gifted that mother****er is...deal with it and stop whining like a little sissy bitch...
you guys are insane if you think that he beats Floyd. If you bet on him then you will go broke. Not only will he lose but he will look like a clown in the process. I use to think that Pac had grown as an all around fighter but he hasnt. He's still basically the same guy and thats why JMM will always give him hell. No way he kills JMM at 140 like people think. He's still pretty sloppy and doesnt have great fundementals. He has good footwork when it comes to doing what he wants to do but his footwork is horrible if you make him do something else. Hatton just played right into his hands. People think that he's so different from the guy that fought JMM but look at who he's fought. He fought Diaz, Oscar, and Hatton. 3 guys with horrible skills at this stage of there career who all were coming right at him with no D.
Its a completely different fight with Floyd. It would be exactly like Pac fighting JMM except Floyd's bigger, stonger, faster, has a much better defense, is taller, and even though the haterz dont want to beleive it, he's actually smarter and is a better pure boxer then JMM. Trust me, Im not a hater. I actually was worried that Pac may give him hell. I thought because Pac was a Southpaw and all this that he may give Floyd real trouble. Ive always said that the only way to beat Floyd is to either be so much bigger then him that all he can do is pot shot or you have to be a Southpaw who catches him. I thought Pac's combo of size, speed, power, and Southpaw style may give Floyd serious trouble. I saw Zab land a few shots early until Floyd figured him out and I saw Chop catch him and land a few shots but guess what? Zab, Chop, and Mitchell are all way way way better pure boxers then Pac. I thought he had grown but he hasnt. Floyd would eat him up and it would be easy. People are insane when they say that Floyd wont want the fight. I bet he wants that fight more then anything because he knows that he will dominate him and I think Roach is even worried about it.
Seriously though, I think not only does Floyd win but he wins easily and makes Pac look like a straight amature. It would be like all the JMM highlights against Pac but Floyd will be doing it non stop all fight because his D is superior to JMM and he's faster and stronger. He'll outclass Pac so bad and then stop him. This will be a mega event and its going to end by a shocking one sided KO with Pac looking like he wasnt even close to being in Floyd's league. He's still sloppy, off balance, and basic with his punches. Theyre so basic and if you think that stuff that works on David Diaz, Hatton, and a zombied Oscar will work on Floyd then you are in for the shock of your life. He'll beat Pac so bad that it will make him darn near legendary in the mainstream. As good as I think that Floyd is, the Pac fight will make him look even better because of there styles and skill level. I added this in a later post but its one of the main reasons why I wrote this and that is to say that Pac is wide open for the straight right. Southpaws are open to it but he's way way open to it and he cant counter with that right hook because Floyd keeps his left hand up unlike Hatton.
Floyd will land that punch a million times in this fight and make the crowd saw ooh every time. There are going to be a ton of ooh punches in this fight from Floyd because the difference in pure skill levels. You will see his punches so clean while Pac will mostly land grazing stuff at best. I think it will be like a poor mans or rich mans MAB-Naz depending on which way you look at it.
DLT, your a great poster and all... bring good points, but could I please just ask you to narrow the posts a bit smaller, and put it a bit more in brief... I mean I don't mind reading large posts occasionally but too a limit.
No disrespect, just saying you got a very good view on things and people would respect it even more if you put them shorter because some people would just think "can't be arsed to read all of that!".
At least you back your posts up with an explanation though like Reed said, a lot of people on here don't! :fing02:
I didn't bother to read that shit but I can guarantee it is retarted babble just based on the idiot that wrote it.which is why your argument means nothing.
I'm no nuthugger but I truly appreciate the kind of fighter Mayweather is. I enjoy watching the art of not getting hit in combination with the art of giving precise accurate punches. Pacman is no slouch either but he isn't in Mayweather's league.
I personally believe the Pacman hype machine is in full force and deservedly so but, with all due respect, the hype is going overboard. The Pacman hasn't quite improved as much as most would like to think. Hes going to need to be at his very best to stand a chance on beating Mayweather.
I believe that the Mighty "Super-Pac-Attack" fight plan will put a damper on poor Floyd's performance should they meet. The Genius of Trainer Roach, Michael Moorer, Buboy Fernandez and the entire Team Pacquiao will once again come to the fore and the Pacman will execute the plan with pure brilliance in the ring. There is no stopping him now. Poor Mayweather will be humbled. JAT :wave:
"Pacman is sloppy".
Holy. ****ing. Shit.
Sometimes I ask myself why I come here.
If Floyd happens to lose to someone who's "sloppy", it makes his entire career look like a complete joke.
If Floyd wins, he deserves no credit for beating a sloppy, amateurish fighter.
Twats.
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Dlt--i have always argued that floyd mayweather could retire and still come back and be a better fighter when he aged than roy jones was when he slacked off because of floyd's fundamentals--so you know i agree with everything you're saying. Floyd mayweather is going to crush pacman. But to make it an intriuging fight, you're going to have pacman fans and floyd detractors say what they say--1nce again i will stress that floyd mayweather will retire undefeated--he is our special fighter--our rare breed of fighter. All of the things you touched on dlt was dead on.
Pacman is sloppy, and with as good of a fighter as he is--fighting floyd is a cold dose of reality--that is a testament to the uncanny skillset floyd possesses. Them man is ****ing brilliant in that ring and his overall skillset and savvy in that ring is on a level of it's own--he will make pacman and marquez look childlike in that ring--mark my ****ing words--it's okay for people to love pac and pick him because of their passion for him--he's an amazing fighter with a huge heart--a humble guy--good spirit--but floyd mayweather jr is the truth in that ring--those who know me and how i post will know that i have already given the reasons why floyd will crush pacman...
I have given so many breakdowns of floyd's style, because i have followed this kid's career for too many years now, and he put his brilliance together at a young age--he has always fought like he has--even in the loympics--his style is one in a billion--he is that good in the ring--he will dust marquez and then go on to crush pacman--and no disrespect to pac--he's amazing. He has improved in the ring--he has a good bouncy footwork--he throws hard and fast, he has learned to feint on his lead left hands...but floyd has been doing all of this "with flawless balance and fluidity" most of all his boxing career--as an amateur and professional...pacman is in for a long but short night...sorry jmm, i am looking past you because i know what floyd will do to you...you are also a great fighter--but floyd will dust you. Get ready for him...
LOL! Amateurish!
#1 P4P, 6 Div Champ, 4 Lineal Belts, 14 KDs in his last 9 fights, wins over 5 future HOF...
... so what do you call all those he defeated? Noobs? Tsk tsk
I agree.. I stop reading after Amateurish!
Some people still can't accept Pac for what he has blossomed into.
You can't please everybody....
This right here(the bold and underline) is what it boils down to.
I read DLT's book, and he made some very good points. I can see where he is coming from.
But, i really do feel that folks just can't accept that Manny is a very good fighter/boxer now. He has grown so much in his fight game, it's not even funny.
On A Side Note: The first Manny fight with JMM was scored wrong(we all know that though) Manny should have won. The second, most want to say it is the boxing of JMM that gives Manny problems, to a point, yes...But, I think the thing that gives Manny the most trouble with JMM, is the fact that Manny loves to admire his work after every good shot. That is the wrong approch against JMM. After every good shot, JMM throws about eight straight punches, this seems to always bother Manny against JMM. Does anyone else notice this?
LoL, I love how people make these posts just like they did about Hatton. Hatton's gonna be too big for Manny. He's gonna do what nobody has done to him, smother him, throwing tons of punches at Manny. Manny won't be able to keep up with his workrate or take his power, etc. Where have those people gone? Same shit with this Floyd talk. It's just the new wall people setup who hate on Manny. Just like Morales was before Marquez, and Marquez was before Oscar. A bunch of walls that people make out to be the next best thing against Manny, yet he's shown time and time again. Only once Floyd is finally wiped out, will you guys believe.