When will you guys realize weight really does not make that much difference

watch for new thread wrightful owner to p4p#1 nice try but a new thread is about to set this all into place with factual examples. only defend it if you are money hungry.

Tell that to Sugar Ray Robinson, the GOAT, after losing to Maxim for the lightheavyweight title due to heat exhaustion. Or Stanley Ketchel who was knocked senseless by Jack Johnson. Henry Armstrong who lost by decision to Ceferino Garcia for the middleweight crown. Weight matters and it is one of the foundations of modern boxing. That's why there are weight classes. If weight doesn't matter, then why did Floyd pick a 36 year old fighter two weight classes lower than him? Why not pick on Paul Williams at middleweight? Go watch WWE, so you can watch midgets fight giants. First of all go fuck yourself And second of all you are taking what i said way out of context

mosley will only get a fight after MP loses to PBF. Mosley isnt relevant. but he will be when MP's career starts going down after losing to PBF. like all other boxers that got beat by PBF actually I'm kinda scared for floyd to fight pac.

Floyd and Manny have showed us along with many other boxers whether you weigh 135 or 147 weight does not have as much as a significance in boxing as people make it to be. A great fighter wont lose a fight because its 5 pounds above his regular weight, its just an excuse. Tell that to Sugar Ray Robinson, the GOAT, after losing to Maxim for the lightheavyweight title due to heat exhaustion. Or Stanley Ketchel who was knocked senseless by Jack Johnson. Henry Armstrong who lost by decision to Ceferino Garcia for the middleweight crown. Weight matters and it is one of the foundations of modern boxing. That's why there are weight classes. If weight doesn't matter, then why did Floyd pick a 36 year old fighter two weight classes lower than him? Why not pick on Paul Williams at middleweight? Go watch WWE, so you can watch midgets fight giants.

Remember that when Mosley KTFO pac! I will remember this in my dreams.

its also simple that roach wants the welterweights that fight MP to compromise their health by losing enough weight that they wont have the energy at 140 don't take the fight then. problem solved.

Boxers are great athletes no doubt about it,but as they get older like anyone else its harder to lose weight and it takes alot more work to lose the weight.Lets say Cotto walks around at 155 between training for fights.For him now to reach 140 instead of 147 thats a huge difference.At some point he's losing muscle,strength and probably some stamina just to make 140. Boxers should fight the weight thay are most comfortable at, nothing less.One day of eating after the weigh in doesn't mean shit after 8 weeks of losing body mass.The worst thing a boxer can do is fight dehydrated, it will cause more brain damage and concussions.

so what do you think it does to a welterweight to drop down to 140. which is what sRoach want welterwieghts to do to fight MP. you would think that at some point in time yall would began to catch on. MP doesnt deserve any credit for beating DLH and Hatton who should have retired after getting stomped by PBF. everyone called for Hattons retirement after he got beat down by PBF and it was for good reason. its simple... don't take the fight.

Floyd and Manny have showed us along with many other boxers whether you weigh 135 or 147 weight does not have as much as a significance in boxing as people make it to be.Floyd and manny are the exceptions that prove the rule. Unless you are something truely special moving up 2 weight divisions means you lose. You think Katsidis could move up from lightweight and beat Gomez? Or Could Gomez move upto Middle and beat Mundine? How about Mundine moving up to light heavy and fighting Inkin? Would you back Inkin to beat Valuev?

Does Floyd get credit for beating a drooling and exhausted part time fighter in DLH? Not much and Pac doesn't get much for beating a weight drained zombie lookin version of DLH...

Im trying to say shit like when FLoyd fought ricky and he got knocked out people were saying "Geez ricky hatton was way to small for welterweight he needs to go back down to 140" give me a ****ing break 7 pounds doesnt make that big of a difference actually the jump from 140-147 is one of the biggest jumps.

yeah either pavlik or abraham. see if theres a difference in that fight

7 pounds is a huge difference fool we are talking about muscle. first 7lbs can either slow you down temendously. or losing 7lbs will sap your energy. look at DLH in that fight. he looked like a AIDS victim. stop kidding yourself and making up excuses. MP beat DLH b/c they asked for the fight to be at 140. DLH is stupid b/c he walks around at like 160. true super welterwight. thats why roach wants all welterweight fights with MP at 140. b/c MP is nice and strong while the others have to lose too much weight which means energy. MP gets no credit for beating a sickly, none energy having DLH. just like MP gets no credit for beating an already beaten ricky hatton that came in the fight with his hands by his waist. or any credit for beating Barrera or Morales who had already beat the piss out of each other as well as beating their primes out of each other. MP lost to JMM Floyd is going to kill both JMM and MP Does Floyd get credit for beating a drooling and exhausted part time fighter in DLH?

Yes the safety of the fighters is of the highest priority, and with fighters blowing up too much that safety is compromised when a fighters is too much heavier than his opponent in a particular weightclass on fight night. Would you oppose measure to regulate how much weight someone can put on after a weigh in? Not at all. But you can't safely say how much a person can put back on either.

Yeah, I don't think certain things really have a true, "best" solution. You change any kind of system with rules and regulations, people will find ways to tweak the rules a bit to their advantage. I agree that people fair better if they can rehydrate but then you have promoters and trainers who know a guy's body and can see an advantage over another fighter because one guy naturally has a larger frame, carries more weight, and has more power but can still dehydrate enough to make it look like he is the same size as the other fighter. The next night, dude outweighs his opponent by 5 lbs or whatever. Someone will always exploit some loophole or factor in any situation.

Those are valid arguments, but can we agree that the weigh in system is not perfect and can be better than it is now? I would just rather have the amount of weight a fighter puts on between the weigh in and the actual fight be regulated by some authority. Nobody has ever said it was perfect. Boxing has already tried same day weigh ins, and fighters came to the ring even more drained out than they are after a 24 hour rest period. Its safer to allow them time to rehydrate, rest, recover or whatever rather than go right into a brutal fight after weeks of dropping weight. There is no easy solution, but its also not a reason to not have the fights. If someone is that good, the weight doesn't matter. Some smaller guys have even said being smaller is an advantage as well because for every advantage someone has, the other guy has something to counter it.

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Im trying to say shit like when FLoyd fought ricky and he got knocked out people were saying "Geez ricky hatton was way to small for welterweight he needs to go back down to 140" give me a ****ing break 7 pounds doesnt make that big of a difference

Floyd and Manny have showed us along with many other boxers whether you weigh 135 or 147 weight does not have as much as a significance in boxing as people make it to be. A great fighter wont lose a fight because its 5 pounds above his regular weight, its just an excuse. it def does matter the reason pac and floyd have done this and jmm is because they are not reg fighters u see lots of guys try to move up in weight its a proven fact it aint as easy as it seems

I would prefer that they do an official weigh in closer to the time of the fight, but as I'm sure you know it was deemed unsafe and now we have the 24 hour weigh ins. The unintended problem of this is guys blowing up, but we still need an official weigh in don't we? The weights during the official weigh ins often don't represent the actually weights of the fighters during the fight, so my answer to your question is official weigh ins are very important and necessary but the system is not perfect. I prefer to base my opinion on what guys actually weigh during the actual fight, I don't see what is wrong with that. The problem with that is, when you base your opinion on that, you're already getting excuses ready as to why a fighter won or lost. Guess what? The heavier guy doesn't always win. I guess we should just matchup guys based on similar hand speed as well because its not fair that one is faster than the other. Then, we can have a power division because its not fair that one guy has more power than the other. We can also throw in a chin division because every fighter doesn't have the same type of granite in their face.