Why is Pavlik hated on so much?

He is undefeated at MW. He knocks out just about every guy he's ever fought. He lost one fight in his career, 10 lbs over his natural weight, to the HIGHEST RANKED P4P fighter above 147 in the world. Yet all I see around here, day in and day out, is how shit Pavlik is and how everyone and there mother can beat him. If that is the case, how come only a hall of famer who arguably beat Joe Calzaghe has done it so far? And stop giving him shit for fighting Mora. Mora is a natural MW who had the tools to beat Forrest(even though he's 1-1 against Vernon). It's hard to call a guy who recently was the legit JMW champ a total bum. And it's a fight to stay busy before the Abraham fight. Kelly is a stay busy fighter. He fights 3-4 times a year. Some of you can't appreciate a guy who fights often. Maybe you'd rather he does what some of the other champs do and fight every 6 months. Kelly fights as often as he can, meaning every 4 months, one month for rest, 2 or 3 for proper training. That means not all of his fights are gonna be super fights. If you have half a brain you will understand where I'm coming from. Oh yeah, and in case you didn't notice, he always comes to his fights to entertain, not just to make money. He is one of the most underappreciated champs on the planet today, all because of one loss to the best P4P guy above 147. Shame on all you who hate on this guy.

Comments (20)

Norman_Stone

Too damn pasty.

17y ago

dc6112

I am 100 % fan of Pavliks he is also a friend and lives one street over from us in Youngstown. Until next time its KO2you :boxing: tell Kelly he's got plenty of fans here in NYC and we're not going anywhere, no matter what the haters say.

17y ago

dc6112

Of the three middleweight champs Kelly by far has faced the stiffest competition in the last 2 years(Miranda when he was the most fear MW on the planet, Taylor, Rubio, Zuniga, Mc Kart, Hopkins who still had the skills to do what some thought was enough to beat Joe Calzaghe, former P4P best in the heavier divisions, a status now held down by Hopkins). And Abrahams last couple fights?- A ruined Edison Miranda(courtesy of none other than Pavlik himself)Raul Marquez(washed up and never great to begin with), some nobody from Africa who Abraham couldn't even knock out, and soon Giovanni Lorenzo, the guy who got beat by Raul Marquez, the washed up old guy. People on Abrahams side call Mora a bum, even though his accomplishments include beating JMW champ Vernon Forrest and Lorenzo is best known for getting beat by a nobody named Marquez, and people are calling AA the best Middleweight and in the same breath calling Kelly a guy who fights Bums? :wow:

17y ago

KO2you

Because Bhop exposed him. Before the Bhop fight he was one of boxing's most liked fighters who had a big fan base. Now i can barely find a fan of his on this site. I am 100 % fan of Pavliks he is also a friend and lives one street over from us in Youngstown. Until next time its KO2you :boxing:

17y ago

Darkstar

Im a Pavlik fan but I admit Abraham is a dangerous fight. Whoever wins should be given full credit. Pavlik isnt very defensive minded, he puts himself on line looking for KOs. Abraham has great power, it should be a good fight. I would still have to favor Pavlik though.

17y ago

DubiousDutch

you got me, brother. and a good portion of people on BS like to claim that Abraham would destroy Pavlik, as if Pavlik has ever been challenged by a fighter with Abrahams style. Abraham backs up into the ropes, goes into a shell, and throws in short bursts. Miranda was alot like that during the Pavlik fight, and alotta people thought he'd "destroy" Kelly... how did that one turn out again? It is a 50/50 IMO. Abraham does have explosive one punch KO power and Kelly isn't that easy to hit. I know his chin has granite built in but if he does get tagged it might send him to the canvas. He has the will to get up and the heart to continue but Abraham is a good finisher. This is a good style match up for Pavlik tho considering Abraham lacks in output and is sometimes stationary in his shell defense. I hope the fight happens as it will most likely be FOTY material.

17y ago

Dan

I can't understand the "Abraham would destroy Pavlik" movement either. Abraham is the most overhyped fighter in the world today. He's beaten who? Miranda? and all of a sudden there are people proclaiming him as some boxing God. Going on what I have seen to this point from both guys I would have Kelly a big favourite heading into a fight with AA.

17y ago

dc6112

I thought most people like Pavlik. The only thing I could think of for them not liking him is because he's not the stereotypical lineal middleweight champion. This is a revered division and it's hard to accept a down to earth white boy running things there for allot of people. alotta people do like him. but the haters are here, they just don't want to be exposed publicly right now cuz they know they'll just end up looking stupid when you actually compare Kelly's character to most fighters in the game.

17y ago

dc6112

Best KO ratio out of any middleweight in the game and yet he still receives hate. How can anyone dislike an exciting fighter who never backs down and always goes for the Knock out. you got me, brother. and a good portion of people on BS like to claim that Abraham would destroy Pavlik, as if Pavlik has ever been challenged by a fighter with Abrahams style. Abraham backs up into the ropes, goes into a shell, and throws in short bursts. Miranda was alot like that during the Pavlik fight, and alotta people thought he'd "destroy" Kelly... how did that one turn out again?

17y ago

Darkstar

I see many on here deeply want him to lose. It was bitter-sweet when he fought Hopkins. They finally got to see him lose (but not KOed or even knocked down). But they know for the next few years he going completely rule middleweight.

17y ago

DubiousDutch

How is he over hyped? And why is it cuz he's white? He has never had a fight at 160 where he looked anything other than exceptional, why wouldn't people give the guy all the hype he deserves? He's got one of the most phenomenal KO rates in the game. the only times he hasn't KO'd a guy were early in his career in shorter fights or fighting at weights above 160 against guys who were MW champs who had never been KO'd in their life by anyone(Taylor II and Hopkins) How is it possible to overhype those stats in any way? Best KO ratio out of any middleweight in the game and yet he still receives hate. How can anyone dislike an exciting fighter who never backs down and always goes for the Knock out.

17y ago

dc6112

I dont dislike him really, its his dad whos more hated on, because hes very arrogant. Also i think Pavlik is very talented but also very over hyped just because hes white. How is he over hyped? And why is it cuz he's white? He has never had a fight at 160 where he looked anything other than exceptional, why wouldn't people give the guy all the hype he deserves? He's got one of the most phenomenal KO rates in the game. the only times he hasn't KO'd a guy were early in his career in shorter fights or fighting at weights above 160 against guys who were MW champs who had never been KO'd in their life by anyone(Taylor II and Hopkins) How is it possible to overhype those stats in any way?

17y ago

DubiousDutch

alot of black fans try to hate on him because he's white, i saw this numerous times at the Hopkins fight. What did they say at the Hopkins fight?

17y ago

MissDeeCole

alot of black fans try to hate on him because he's white, i saw this numerous times at the Hopkins fight.

17y ago

ottoevans

cause hes white

17y ago

dc6112

you are pretty dumb dude. this is the pavlik hate i talk about. look at the records of the last 5 fighters he's had, and take into consideration Lockett was a mandatory and Rubio had won his last 9 fights and was considered a tough test for pavlik coming off the Hopkins fight. And I wouldnt consider Zertuche-Miranda-Taylor I and II- Lockett-Hopkins- Rubio- Mora( Recently the JMW champ and natural 160 fighter) a steady diet of Bums. Plus its a tune up before he fights Abraham. what bums these guys are. I mean who is he to call himself good when hes fighting soft guys like JMW champs, the guy who beat Hop twice, Hop himself and Miranda who was the most feared MW puncher at the time he fought Pavlik. Plus a guy in Rubio who is tough as nails against everyone he's faced, except for Pavlik cuz he is the rare puncher who can make Rubio go from a tough guy to a man trying to survive 12 rounds, which he couldn't even handle when Pavlik broke his body and head down like a surgeon. oh yeah, and none of those guys, including zertuche but except rubio, had ever been knocked out before Pavlik did it. and he did it to all of em except current P4P #1 above 147 in Hopkins, who no one will ever knock out unless he fights til he's 60 and happens to break a hip, which even then would be surprising.

17y ago

dc6112

That's a compliment coming from a sorry-ass bitch like you. Pavlik has feasted on a STEADY diet of BUMS yet you shit-talk Mayweather. You're a dicksucking hypocrite. you are pretty dumb dude. this is the pavlik hate i talk about. look at the records of the last 5 fighters he's had, and take into consideration Lockett was a mandatory and Rubio had won his last 9 fights and was considered a tough test for pavlik coming off the Hopkins fight. And I wouldnt consider Zertuche-Miranda-Taylor I and II- Lockett-Hopkins- Rubio- Mora( Recently the JMW champ and natural 160 fighter) a steady diet of Bums. Plus its a tune up before he fights Abraham. what bums these guys are. I mean who is he to call himself good when hes fighting soft guys like JMW champs, the guy who beat Hop twice, Hop himself and Miranda who was the most feared MW puncher at the time he fought Pavlik. Plus a guy in Rubio who is tough as nails against everyone he's faced, except for Pavlik cuz he is the rare puncher who can make Rubio go from a tough guy to a man trying to survive 12 rounds, which he couldn't even handle when Pavlik broke his body and head down like a surgeon.

17y ago

Fox_McCloud

Jack Loew is cool. He started to talk shit after Manny Steward said that Kelly couldnt go far because he had an amateur boxing trainer. I woulda taken offense too. He's an asshole who makes it about him instead of who it should be about, his fighter, the guy risking his life in the ring. Loew is way too mouthy. And Steward was right... What was Loew's advice when Hopkins was kicking Pavlik to the curb? Double jab Kelly, double jab! 12 rounds, and that's all he could come up with. Terrific. He should go bury his head in the sand somewhere and never be heard from again.

17y ago

ringsidemike

Jack Loew is cool. He started to talk shit after Manny Steward said that Kelly couldnt go far because he had an amateur boxing trainer. I woulda taken offense too.

17y ago

Mugwump

Don't know where the thread-starter is coming from. Maybe a persecution complex. I think Kelly is fighter who has made the absolute best out of his limited abilities. That's the highest accolade you can give a fighter. Nothing winds me up more than a gifted boxer who pisses his talent down the toilet - think Zab or Naz. Kelly has the heart of a lion and never leaves anything in the ring. Respect.

17y ago