You're A Fool If You Really Think.......

You make it sound like Diaz & Casamayor are bums or something. Its not easy to figure those guys out quickly. 1st off Casamayor is a Southpaw and Ive seen alot of Southpaws hit JMM clean. Diaz is just a different type of guy who is pretty much going to hit 99% of the fighters alot. He knocked out 2 guys who no one can knock out so his timing had to be somewhat great. Also, speed doesnt always have to do with weight. Some of it is just him slowing some with age. Floyd is slowing some with age too and JMM is older. Also, I disagree about the Pac-Diaz stuff. To me it was just 2 different styles. Diaz is a combo guy who is going to bully you. He's always going to land more then most guys. Pac spent alot of time basically boxing with JMM. Diaz doesnt do that. He just goes at you and lets his hands go but you see that it also left him open to get KO. Honestly, I use to be the biggest JMM fan in the world. I use to always think that he was better then MAB & EM back in the day and I loved them too. I remember picking Pac to beat MAB in that 1st fight. Then later came the show down with Pac & JMM and I remember everyone loving the fight but I came away really dissapointed in both guys. I was shocked that a brilliant boxer like JMM would get dropped 3 times in the 1st round by the same punch and was even more shocked how he let Pac hit him with the same punch the entire fight and this was back when Pac was one demensional. I was dissapointed in Pac because he dropped him 3 times but let JMM come back and how one deminonal he was. Even back then JMM was getting hit clean alot. In nearly all his fights he's bruised up even when he's fighting bums. Then I remember JMM figthing that other asian type guy who fought just like Pac and was a Southpaw. He was lighting JMM up and this was a while ago. Basically Im saying that his D has never been great to me. He's a beast on O but I dont think he's ever had an elite Defense Oh no don't get me wrong, Casamayor and Diaz are excellent wins, but I think you can tell he's slowed down by going up in weight. JMM has showed more power at 135 which is weird, but power really isn't going to matter against Mayweather if he somehow keeps it at 144. As for Jandeng-Marquez (the fight you are thinking of or Jimrex Jaca) and JMM also started changing his style to be more aggressive. He never had amazing defense, but it was better then it has been

Yeah, but at lower weights JMM had much better timing. It took him longer to figure out Diaz and Casamayor. At 126 and even at 130, his timing was better. Also JMM's defense is worse because he's slower too. It's not with facing better guys because he got hit less by Pacquiao and Diaz is worse then Pacquiao, but Diaz hit him a lot more in the opening rounds. You make it sound like Diaz & Casamayor are bums or something. Its not easy to figure those guys out quickly. 1st off Casamayor is a Southpaw and Ive seen alot of Southpaws hit JMM clean. Diaz is just a different type of guy who is pretty much going to hit 99% of the fighters alot. He knocked out 2 guys who no one can knock out so his timing had to be somewhat great. Also, speed doesnt always have to do with weight. Some of it is just him slowing some with age. Floyd is slowing some with age too and JMM is older. Also, I disagree about the Pac-Diaz stuff. To me it was just 2 different styles. Diaz is a combo guy who is going to bully you. He's always going to land more then most guys. Pac spent alot of time basically boxing with JMM. Diaz doesnt do that. He just goes at you and lets his hands go but you see that it also left him open to get KO. Honestly, I use to be the biggest JMM fan in the world. I use to always think that he was better then MAB & EM back in the day and I loved them too. I remember picking Pac to beat MAB in that 1st fight. Then later came the show down with Pac & JMM and I remember everyone loving the fight but I came away really dissapointed in both guys. I was shocked that a brilliant boxer like JMM would get dropped 3 times in the 1st round by the same punch and was even more shocked how he let Pac hit him with the same punch the entire fight and this was back when Pac was one demensional. I was dissapointed in Pac because he dropped him 3 times but let JMM come back and how one deminonal he was. Even back then JMM was getting hit clean alot. In nearly all his fights he's bruised up even when he's fighting bums. Then I remember JMM figthing that other asian type guy who fought just like Pac and was a Southpaw. He was lighting JMM up and this was a while ago. Basically Im saying that his D has never been great to me. He's a beast on O but I dont think he's ever had an elite Defense

Yeah, but at lower weights JMM had much better timing. It took him longer to figure out Diaz and Casamayor. At 126 and even at 130, his timing was better. Also JMM's defense is worse because he's slower too. It's not with facing better guys because he got hit less by Pacquiao and Diaz is worse then Pacquiao, but Diaz hit him a lot more in the opening rounds.

You can say what you want about speed and everything else because those are physical things but your intangibles dont change. Thats why I disagree with you about the D and timing thing. How does that change with weight. Floyd can go to MW right now and I think he will keep the same timing and D. No one will be able to hit him clean and he will time everything perfect like he always has. The problem is that Floyd can block the punch and guys like Pavlik & Abraham can still hit his guard and knock him out. I dont think that changes no matter where you fight, unless you lose too much weight and look like a zombie. Other then that it wont affect you. JMM's bad D has nothing to do with him moving up. He's just fighting better guys now. Diaz would hit him alot even if he was a Feather weight. Its just his style of fighting. I just dont beleive that you can say that his D is lacking now because he's moving up. I dont beleive that. and for his timing? I think he beat Diaz strictly on timing. His timing killed Diaz and I dont think that will change so much no matter where he fights

I just dont see how you can think that the fight isnt bad but it does nothig for his legacy. To me thats a little contradictory. Again, this isnt a huge weight advantage and he's at the top of the P4P list so its not like those other fights. If you want to say what you said in your 2nd paragraph then thats cool but guess what? Thats the same thing Ive been saying about Floyd for years. Its why I said that he shouldnt be forced to fight these huge guys that he's fighting. When Floyd went to LW, he came into the ring at 139, yet he still left after only 4 fights. He was the smallest guy at LW but he still moved up. He goes to 140 and comes into the ring at 144 and again leaves after only 3 fights this time despite being the smallest guy in the division. Now he's at WW and comes in basically at the WW limit on fight night but yet people think that he's a pussy if he doesnt fight Cotto, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey who have all weighed in between 162-170 on fight night. Its a joke. Your same argument is the one I always make for Floyd. Anyone can see that he's not as good as he would be at 140 or LW right now but he moved up so fast only to chase the big money big fame Oscar fight. If Oscar was a LW then Floyd would still be at LW right now and just finishing up his career at 140. He may have had 1 fight at WW or something just to see he got a belt. He's not big. To me, I think people have to say that he's supposed to fight JMM & Pac or that he's not supposed to fight the big WW's. If you say that he's supposed to fight the big WW's then I dont think you can say much different about JMM fighting Floyd. If you say that Floyd shouldnt fight JMM then I dont think you should say that Floyd has to fight JMM because its basically the same situation. Anyways, like I told the other guy. Were not going to agree on this so we will just have to agree to disagree. I respect your opinion and will keep it moving I think he has to fight more of the Welterweights because he was already champ there and Floyd is the one who proclaims he's the greatest of his generation, etc., etc. Floyd is a lock for the hall, but he can still do a lot for his legacy that's realistic. I mean you are right when Floyd loses speed (not so much timing and defense like JMM does however) when going up in weight, but he has the defense to fight the welters. Floyd right now has no obligation to fight the welters since he isn't the champ there like he was before, but it clearly helps his legacy. I think a Pacquiao win is just as big as a Cotto win, but Marquez is different because what I've pointed out. The fight isn't bad because it's one a "tune up" to shake off the rust and it comes against a solid opponent. It just does nothing really huge for his legacy.

Hahah man...I've never once called Floyd a bitch for fighting JMM. In my original thread it clearly says that I don't. There's a whole section addressing that... Here's another thing, you are so quick to think that someone who disagrees with you is a Floyd hater of a JMM hugger. I've never once called Floyd a bitch for fighting JMM. It just does nothing major to enhance his legacy, which is your opening point. Ignore the others, I haven't called you a Floyd hugger. JMM loses skill because that's the way some fighters are. Moving up in weight doesn't suit everyone. It suits Floyd and Pacquiao. Marquez can only move up so far. At 135, he went up to 140. At 144, he'll probably go up to 148 or so overnight. Let's say he's smart and weighs in at 140, he'll still probably going up to 145. It may not seem like much, but it hurts him. He slows down and his reflexes aren't as good. Diaz was able to hit him a lot more then he's been hit. He had a hard time hitting him until he adjusted because Marquez, at 135, is a great fighter. Marquez at 140, is not only unproven, but loses skill. Whether I think Marquez beats Campbell or Hatton, still doesn't change that fact. Marquez adds another name to his resume, but it doesn't really enhance his legacy like suggesting in this thread. I'm certain he'll look different because he looks different from going to 126 to 130 and then 130 to 135. He'll look even more different at 140 or 144 where the fight will probably happen. I just dont see how you can think that the fight isnt bad but it does nothig for his legacy. To me thats a little contradictory. Again, this isnt a huge weight advantage and he's at the top of the P4P list so its not like those other fights. If you want to say what you said in your 2nd paragraph then thats cool but guess what? Thats the same thing Ive been saying about Floyd for years. Its why I said that he shouldnt be forced to fight these huge guys that he's fighting. When Floyd went to LW, he came into the ring at 139, yet he still left after only 4 fights. He was the smallest guy at LW but he still moved up. He goes to 140 and comes into the ring at 144 and again leaves after only 3 fights this time despite being the smallest guy in the division. Now he's at WW and comes in basically at the WW limit on fight night but yet people think that he's a pussy if he doesnt fight Cotto, Williams, Margarito, and Clottey who have all weighed in between 162-170 on fight night. Its a joke. Your same argument is the one I always make for Floyd. Anyone can see that he's not as good as he would be at 140 or LW right now but he moved up so fast only to chase the big money big fame Oscar fight. If Oscar was a LW then Floyd would still be at LW right now and just finishing up his career at 140. He may have had 1 fight at WW or something just to see he got a belt. He's not big. To me, I think people have to say that he's supposed to fight JMM & Pac or that he's not supposed to fight the big WW's. If you say that he's supposed to fight the big WW's then I dont think you can say much different about JMM fighting Floyd. If you say that Floyd shouldnt fight JMM then I dont think you should say that Floyd has to fight JMM because its basically the same situation. Anyways, like I told the other guy. Were not going to agree on this so we will just have to agree to disagree. I respect your opinion and will keep it moving

Why doesn't he just come in at 140? Weight doesn't always win fights No and another reason why it doesn't really help Floyd's legacy because everyone knows its a mismatch....JMM is a great fighter, but add the decreased skill of him when moving up (which is coming in at 140, unless you mean 140 fight night) and the non competitiveness of the fight, it's not ground breaking for his legacy. It's just a solid win, but nothing ground shattering. When people first heard JMM say Mayweather's name, they dismissed it as a joke.

There goes my point, idiot. Its not as much about the weight as it is about Floyd just being a better fighter. So the dude can beat Hatton at 140 yet Floyd at 144 is such a bitch for fighting him? He can beat the 2 best guys at 140 in Hatton & Pac but Floyd is a pussy at 144 for fighting him? You make no sense. The guy can kill Diaz at LW, beat Campbell, Hatton, and Pac at 140, yet Floyd is the pussy? Its not the size its Floyd's skill. Sure JMM might lose a little something but again, its not like Floyd is at the top of his game. Your the same guy who thinks Floyd should fight guys like Cotto who are perfect at WW and huge while Floyd clearly looks slower and everything else you say about JMM. Except against Cotto, Floyd is outweighed in the ring by 15-20 pounds on top of it while JMM will only be outweighed by like 3 pounds. Its a joke what your saying yet you guys think you own me in arguments. Ill eat you guys for lunch any day. I love to talk and I took computer/typing classes so I cant type a million words in a minute. Thats why my post are so long. Now come back with your same weak response. You just dont want JMM to lose to Floyd and thats what it comes down to. Your trying to treat Floyd like he's Cotto or Margarito trying to fight JMM and he's not and you know it Hahah man...I've never once called Floyd a bitch for fighting JMM. In my original thread it clearly says that I don't. There's a whole section addressing that... Here's another thing, you are so quick to think that someone who disagrees with you is a Floyd hater of a JMM hugger. I've never once called Floyd a bitch for fighting JMM. It just does nothing major to enhance his legacy, which is your opening point. Again, how does JMM lose so much skill by going up but Floyd doesnt? Floyd is the only guy in boxing right now who is fighting at the weight limit. Everyone puts on weight except Floyd so that tells you right there that he's not fighting at his best. Was Oscar at his best when he weighed 148 against Pac? What if Cotto only weighed 148 in the ring or any of the other WW's. Stop making excuses. If thats the case then what do you say about Pac? He looks like he's doing fine to me. JMM looked great against Diaz and knocked him out. He came in at a great weight yet you are so sure that he will look so different at 144? Come on now, you have to do better then that Ignore the others, I haven't called you a Floyd hugger. JMM loses skill because that's the way some fighters are. Moving up in weight doesn't suit everyone. It suits Floyd and Pacquiao. Marquez can only move up so far. At 135, he went up to 140. At 144, he'll probably go up to 148 or so overnight. Let's say he's smart and weighs in at 140, he'll still probably going up to 145. It may not seem like much, but it hurts him. He slows down and his reflexes aren't as good. Diaz was able to hit him a lot more then he's been hit. He had a hard time hitting him until he adjusted because Marquez, at 135, is a great fighter. Marquez at 140, is not only unproven, but loses skill. Whether I think Marquez beats Campbell or Hatton, still doesn't change that fact. Marquez adds another name to his resume, but it doesn't really enhance his legacy like suggesting in this thread. I'm certain he'll look different because he looks different from going to 126 to 130 and then 130 to 135. He'll look even more different at 140 or 144 where the fight will probably happen.

insult in the thread title shows insecurity. Insecurity? Why, because I think its common sense? I just think that if you think 20 years from now that people wont respect this win or that it wont enhance his legacy then you are smoking. Thats what a ton of people seem to think and they are so wrong about it

Marquez coming in at 140 would be better for him, but he's still moving up in weight and he's untested there. That adds a little depth for him, but Marquez is still going to be slowed down. I think at 140 Marquez could still beat fighters like Hatton and Campbell, but his style seems just so fitting for Floyd and he'll still slow down more then at 135 too. There goes my point, idiot. Its not as much about the weight as it is about Floyd just being a better fighter. So the dude can beat Hatton at 140 yet Floyd at 144 is such a bitch for fighting him? He can beat the 2 best guys at 140 in Hatton & Pac but Floyd is a pussy at 144 for fighting him? You make no sense. The guy can kill Diaz at LW, beat Campbell, Hatton, and Pac at 140, yet Floyd is the pussy? Its not the size its Floyd's skill. Sure JMM might lose a little something but again, its not like Floyd is at the top of his game. Your the same guy who thinks Floyd should fight guys like Cotto who are perfect at WW and huge while Floyd clearly looks slower and everything else you say about JMM. Except against Cotto, Floyd is outweighed in the ring by 15-20 pounds on top of it while JMM will only be outweighed by like 3 pounds. Its a joke what your saying yet you guys think you own me in arguments. Ill eat you guys for lunch any day. I love to talk and I took computer/typing classes so I cant type a million words in a minute. Thats why my post are so long. Now come back with your same weak response. You just dont want JMM to lose to Floyd and thats what it comes down to. Your trying to treat Floyd like he's Cotto or Margarito trying to fight JMM and he's not and you know it

insult in the thread title shows insecurity.

Then respond to the boxing part. This is a boxing forum, so you might as well make your point. The thing is...your points aren't very good. You're points are: A. Marquez-Mayweather weigh the same B. Mayweather's win increases his legacy because he's black??? C. History will tell us that it's fair to these type of situations. I countered with: A. It's not the actual how close they are together in weight, but the skill Marquez loses when going up in weight. B. This doesn't make any sense. C. I asked for examples and you've given me none. Except no. They'll use the weight excuse and some will be right and some will be wrong. Some will say that Mayweather had to much of a weight advantage (this will be the wrong argument) Then the others will say that Marquez didn't even belong that high because he loses skill and speed when moving up in weight (this will be the right argument). Also bringing the race card into the fight has nothing to do with it. Are you retarded? Seriously. I just told you in that some post that my response to the boxing part was coming immediatly after yet you still say, "well respond to the boxing part". Honestly Im sick of responding to you guys because its the same thing. I hate talking to hypocrites. You guys do the same exact thing as me except in reverse but Im the one who's wrong? I dont make good come back arguments? Again, why? Because you dont agree with them. Youre too dumb to realize that I think the same exact way about you. Im a Floyd homo? But youre not a Floyd hater at all cost or a JMM homo? Its childish the things you guys say because you think it only goes one way. Its just like you keep saying that Im not respoding to the JMM skill thing going up in weight when I actually responded to it a million times and you keep asking me the same thing. Then you play it off as me hiding from the answer and that proves that Im not good on one on one. Its a joke. Again, how does JMM lose so much skill by going up but Floyd doesnt? Floyd is the only guy in boxing right now who is fighting at the weight limit. Everyone puts on weight except Floyd so that tells you right there that he's not fighting at his best. Was Oscar at his best when he weighed 148 against Pac? What if Cotto only weighed 148 in the ring or any of the other WW's. Stop making excuses. If thats the case then what do you say about Pac? He looks like he's doing fine to me. JMM looked great against Diaz and knocked him out. He came in at a great weight yet you are so sure that he will look so different at 144? Come on now, you have to do better then that

Why doesn't JMM come in at 140? Regardless, there was nothing Floyd could have done to have gotten any respect from beating JMM What could have he done? Marquez coming in at 140 would be better for him, but he's still moving up in weight and he's untested there. That adds a little depth for him, but Marquez is still going to be slowed down. I think at 140 Marquez could still beat fighters like Hatton and Campbell, but his style seems just so fitting for Floyd and he'll still slow down more then at 135 too.

Then I come on it and I still didnt read all the responses. I read like the 1st pargraph of what Warp wrote and then I responded to that. My plan was to respond to you personaly and then make another response for the whole board on my thoughts. Thats why I wrote about not knowing who you were and then I made the very next post about the difference between those fights. Whats even more funnier is that after I do this, I see Warp and Weins talking about how weak my 1st response was and how that proves what Warp was saying when I wasnt even going to respond about the boxing part in that post. The next post was going to be about the boxing part but youre so quick to prove your point that you didnt even notice it. Thats so funny. Then respond to the boxing part. This is a boxing forum, so you might as well make your point. The thing is...your points aren't very good. Your points are: A. Marquez-Mayweather weigh the same B. Mayweather's win increases his legacy because he's black??? C. History will tell us that it's fair to these type of situations. I countered with: A. It's not the actual how close they are together in weight, but the skill Marquez loses when going up in weight. B. This doesn't make any sense. C. I asked for examples and you've given me none. If Floyd wins my point is that everyone wont put it on weight like you think they will. They will say that he's just a better fighter and a more skilled fighter. They will say that size doesnt matter as much and that those guys may wouldve had more losses if they wouldve fought the black or darker skin guys. I bet Floyd even brings it up when he's hyping the fight Except no. They'll use the weight excuse and some will be right and some will be wrong. Some will say that Mayweather had to much of a weight advantage (this will be the wrong argument) Then the others will say that Marquez didn't even belong that high because he loses skill and speed when moving up in weight (this will be the right argument). Also bringing the race card into the fight has nothing to do with it.

that a victory over JMM doesnt enhance Floyd's legacy. Sure, some wont give him credit but most of those guys dont like him and are going to discredit him anyways but if you have JMM name on youre resume then thats a good win and history will show it as so. You can say what you want about the size but Floyd will prove in the ring that his skill is better then JMM with or without a size advantage. We always talk about P4P stuff and how a certain guy would do if they fought. Now we are going to see one and if you think that it doesnt enhance his legacy with a win then you are crazy. There will also be a ton of people who will say that JMM, Pac, MAB, and EM only beat up on eachother and never fought any black or dark skin fighters. When they did then they got dominated and Floyd will prove that just as Jones, Raheem, and Norwood have. The list wouldve been alot longer if they had fought the Guzman's, Casamayor's, Chico's, and Campbell's of the world. History will show this as a win and when people watch the fight and see that the weights arent that far apart then they will definatly credit Floyd. This wont look like Pac vs Oscar in the ring. Floyd will barely look bigger and his skill will seem so much higher then the great JMM. There is always a debate about who is the best pure boxer and so on between JMM & Floyd. Now they will decide it in the ring. Again, size aside Floyd will show that he is the much better boxer Its considered a tune-up, if Floyd wins its a good win... not a great win...

By the way DLT, no one in this thread has mention Pac DLH

Yes,this is a legacy booster for floyd,after all the only other big name on his resume,is a old DLH,now the greatest ever,will ad an inflated JMM,to his dashingly superb resume,that is garbage above 135!!!

Then you talk about Oscar-Pac. Anyone who thinks thats the same as Floyd-JMM are fools. Oscar was at 154 for a million years while Pac was a LW. Oscar was like 7 feet tall compared to Pac. Oscar made Pac look so short in the ring. Oscar has came in the ring at nearly 170 before. If you guys seriously think that is the same as Floyd-JMM then you are crazy. Floyd is like an inch taller then JMM. Floyd weighs nearly the same exact thing as JMM on fight night. Floyd hasnt fought in nearly 2 years. You really need to learn how to read kid. It doesn't matter if they weigh the same, Marquez loses skill and reflexes when going up in weight. That's why it doesn't do much for Floyd's legacy because Marquez loses that ability. Does it really matter if Floyd hasn't fought in 2 years? Oh boy, look everyone he fought and beat someone he was expected to beat even after a 2 year layoff! So let me get this straight. Everyone and there momma thinks that Floyd will enhance his legacy with a Pac win but he wont enhance it one bit by beating a guy who alot of people think is P4P #1 and beat Pac twice? Come on now. Hopkins is now fighting at LHW while Oscar spent most of his time at 154. Oscar has fought at MW while Pac was at LW. Sure Floyd went to 154 but he weighed in at only 150 because it was a mandate and came into the ring at the same thing he did at WW. Those 2 comparisons are so apples & oranges. If the fight happeneds then we'll see how history shows it but I bet anything that you guys will be wrong Yes because Pacquiao retains all of his skill going up in weight. JMM doesn't. The reason why Oscar and Hopkins were brought up because it's a type of fight where Hopkins gets pretty much no credit for beating a smaller man. You bring up a interesting point on how people regard higher of JMM now, but the fact remains it still doesn't increase Mayweather's legacy that much.

^^^^^^^^ So, your argument is that you state your opinion, but are unable to defend it past the original authorship of a thread? Also, are you on drugs or brain dead? You don't remember a thread you made yesterday? It's an awful waste of time for us to read your threads if you just hit and run in your threads without any intent on trying to discuss an issue past your original opinion.

This thread is soooo funny to me. Just because I make a thread, doesnt mean that I stay on it forever. I made this thread yesterday or last night. I dont even remember. I made it and that was it. I dont always make threads so I can debate everyone. I let my opinion be known and let you talk it out of you want. Sometimes Im on it again and sometimes Im not. Its funny because I hear people saying that Warp owns me or that I have no response when I never even looked at this thread again until just now. The only reason why I looked on it was because someone pulled it back up again. If it hadnt been for that, I wouldnt even known what you guys were saying, yet somehow you seriously thought you were owning me. Thats too funny. Then I come on it and I still didnt read all the responses. I read like the 1st pargraph of what Warp wrote and then I responded to that. My plan was to respond to you personaly and then make another response for the whole board on my thoughts. Thats why I wrote about not knowing who you were and then I made the very next post about the difference between those fights. Whats even more funnier is that after I do this, I see Warp and Weins talking about how weak my 1st response was and how that proves what Warp was saying when I wasnt even going to respond about the boxing part in that post. The next post was going to be about the boxing part but youre so quick to prove your point that you didnt even notice it. Thats so funny. Still even with all that, I hadnt read all of Warp's 1st original post. I actually didnt feel like reading it because it was too long and Im tired of going over it. You might say thats funny coming from me but I never demand people to read my threads or post. Its long and if you want to read it then fine and if you dont then fine. Who cares? People cry on here all the time about my post like you guys have to read it. Just dont read it. It doesnt bother me one bit. Like I said, half the time I dont even check back on it. As for the rest of Warps OP, I will respond like this. I already talked about the other fights in my other post so you can check that. so you are really trying to say that JMM loses all those things when he moved up in weight but Floyd still has all his? Everyone says all the time that he looks nothing like he did at the lower weights and all he does is pot shot now. Oscar even said before there fight that Floyd isnt the same guy at WW. He said that Floyd is slower now and that he thinks because of that, Floyd's speed wont be a factor. I also think that the black or dark skin stuff does matter. Thats what Jackson was just talking about. Even Dougie Fischer who is always biased against these guys said that he thinks JMM could struggle against Floyd because he didnt look good against the other black fighter in Norwood who could move. If Floyd wins my point is that everyone wont put it on weight like you think they will. They will say that he's just a better fighter and a more skilled fighter. They will say that size doesnt matter as much and that those guys may wouldve had more losses if they wouldve fought the black or darker skin guys. I bet Floyd even brings it up when he's hyping the fight