THE 1 HUGE PROBLEM THAT I SEE ALL FLOYD FANS SHARE IS THIS:
Floyd fans have no problem with floyd fighting Other WW's...
The problem is that People saying he can ONLY fight Welterweights for it to be a legitimate fight and win, when he himself is not really a welterweight compared to the rest of the welterweights...
People say all he has to fight a real WW and nobody else..!!!
thats what make floyd fans feel like you guys are bing hypocritical....
and plus..
Floyd has already become lineal WW champion of the world.
At the end of the day I do not require Mayweather to stay in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is ....Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.
THE 1 HUGE PROBLEM THAT I SEE ALL FLOYD FANS SHARE IS THIS:
Floyd fans have no problem with floyd fighting Other WW's...
The problem is that People saying he can ONLY fight Welterweights for it to be a legitimate fight and win, when he himself is not really a welterweight compared to the rest of the welterweights...
People say all he has to fight a real WW and nobody else..!!!
thats what make floyd fans feel like you guys are bing hypocritical....
and plus..
Floyd has already become lineal WW champion of the world.
At the end of the day I do not require Mayweather to stay in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is ....Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.
I wonder what the opinion would be like today..?:lol1::thinking:
Would you rather have Floyd fight the BEST of any weightclass or Just WW?
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Floyd needs to fight Mosley and Cotto period.
Needs to fight them in order to prove what?
Or he wont go into the Hall of Fame?
Or he wont become lineal champion of the welterweight division?
Why does he need to fight them?
what does it prove?
**** Shane "the juice" Mosely
but i love to see Floyd Ko cotto just so i can flame this board up and then watch people discredit cotto's whole career since floyd beat him.
cotto will turn into a bum after floyd beat him.
2 divisions up his weight..................................LOL
Make no mistake, Floyd is a bigger man that Juan Manuel. But there are a few things that have been overlooked.
Marquez started his professional career in 1993 as a 19-year old Featherweight(he would move down to Super-Bantamweight soon after) whereas Floyd started his own career in 1996 as a 19 year-old Super Featherweight. We’re talking a difference of 4 pounds, 126 lbs. for Marquez, 130 lbs. for Floyd Mayweather. While it is true that Marquez has spent the majority of his 16 year career between the Featherweight and Jr. Lightweight division, with one appearance at Lightweight back in 1996, the year of Mayweather’s introduction to the sport, the same can be said for Mayweather who fought his largest chunk of time between Lightweight and Super Featherweight. Over his 13 years in the sport, Floyd has been above 135 lbs. for nearly 6 of those years with the remainder of his time spent reigning over the other 130 and 135 lb. fighters around him. Marquez and Mayweather are separated only by an inch and height and 5 inches in reach, both in favor of Floyd. By these standards,
This fight has just as much credibility, if not more, than Felix Trinidad or Oscar De La Hoya taking on Bernard Hopkins, or recently, David Haye moving up to Heavyweight to challenge the gargantuan Wladimir Klitschko. Mayweather and Marquez are far more comparable in size than any pair of those combatants.
-Brandon Estrict
then what do you call hopkins/tito, hopkins/pavlik, hopkins/winky and hopkins/dlh?
did you have any problems with these fights?
De La Hoya and Tito had fights at Middleweight before they fought Bernard. It wasn't like they were fighting at 147 and moved up to 160 to fight Bernard.
In the case of Floyd vs JMM, that indeed would be the case.
If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.
Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.
then what do you call hopkins/tito, hopkins/pavlik, hopkins/winky and hopkins/dlh?
did you have any problems with these fights?
Lots of people raise the issue that floyd is a lineal welter weight champ like its a massive achievement. I simply say that beating baldo who got the titles off juddah is fine, but lots of guys could have done this. Then im a hater. Unbelieveable. How it that hating pullcounter??
floyd used to be a 130 lber... there aren't many 130 lbers that are 147 lbs lineal champs. that's all I'm saying.
No, i havint forgot that floyd was a fighter in the lower divisions. I also havnt forgotten that floyd had to starve himself to make weight on some occasions just like other fighers do. As you get older it often becomes harder to make weight and fighters move up in class. :wave:
good, then you understand that a 130 lber winning a 147 lbs lineal championship is a good acheivement.
Then there is the other thing about whether floyd is really a "true" welter or not? I really cant understand this, if you cant/wont get down (for years) to 140 to fight then you are a welter, not a big welter, but a welter. If you can come in and look and fight sharp at 152 fight night for de la hoya, thats not bad at all imo for a welter. Most people actually give the smaller fighter at a weight class more credit for their wins simply for being the lighter guy.
there is a lot of confusion about this not just from you but from alot of other posters. I have my own opinion, but I won't explicate unless you ask.
I like floyd fighting jmm, no problem with it, or against pac. I just make the point that id like to see him in against some "welters" too, like cotto and mosley. I dont think the weight issue should be a big issue against them, thats just my opinion :popcorn:
then I dunno what you're problem w/ me is... i wanna see pbf vs. jmm/pac/mosley/cotto. I wanna see all those fights.
If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.
Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.
i bet you had allot of problems with some of the great fights in history then...
with higher weight class champions fighting lower weight class champions and when they had the advantage...
If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.
Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.
i bet you had allot of problems with some of the great fights in history then...
because you're a hater
you must've forgot that floyd used to be 130 lbs and 147 is floyd's 4th weight division.
Lots of people raise the issue that floyd is a lineal welter weight champ like its a massive achievement. I simply say that beating baldo who got the titles off juddah is fine, but lots of guys could have done this. Then im a hater. Unbelieveable. How it that hating pullcounter??
No, i havint forgot that floyd was a fighter in the lower divisions. I also havnt forgotten that floyd had to starve himself to make weight on some occasions just like other fighers do. As you get older it often becomes harder to make weight and fighters move up in class. :wave:
Then there is the other thing about whether floyd is really a "true" welter or not? I really cant understand this, if you cant/wont get down (for years) to 140 to fight then you are a welter, not a big welter, but a welter. If you can come in and look and fight sharp at 152 fight night for de la hoya, thats not bad at all imo for a welter. Most people actually give the smaller fighter at a weight class more credit for their wins simply for being the lighter guy.
I like floyd fighting jmm, no problem with it, or against pac. I just make the point that id like to see him in against some "welters" too, like cotto and mosley. I dont think the weight issue should be a big issue against them, thats just my opinion :popcorn:
First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at,
well from what we have seen as far as the ongoing talks about fighting Maqruez he indeed is planning to campaign at Welter.
He is making the lineal LW champ fight above 140
uh thats a welterweight fight sir
and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/
thats not true at all. There are scores of reasons why people have tune ups
People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.
I dont think anyone is saying that flat out but the higher in weight he makes Marquez go the less and less it becomes a serious matchup
that is indeed a tune up. Forcing the hand of a fighter who is two full weight classes below your last weight class isn't much of a threat unless it's someone
1. big for that class and has issues making weight ala JLC
2. someone young enough to make the leap and still be effective ala Shane moving from 135 to 147
Those fights are not tune ups period.
sure it is just not the definition of tune up you picture.
a fight without much thread, without much drama, and putting the opponent at a distinct disdvantage?
thats a tune up sir
His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.
For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.
A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.
not always. Rubio doesn't represent anything like Mora. Jennings doesn't resemble anything like Clottey
I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight
Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
5 Division Champion
Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
again we can break down his post 135 career if you like but I think its an exercise in futility. 135 and below I have no issues with
At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
first off if you want to call me ignorant TRUST ME I can talk s.hit with the best of them but unlike most in here who think you are an utter joke I do not treat like that so if you want to go that route you can.
now back to the quote
Horus you totally miss the point of being an all time great. You don't say
ok I fought everyone at ___ now lets go to other divisions regardless of the level of opposition.
do we question the resume of Mosley who moves from 135 to 147 to 154 and yet still fights the best opponents there are in those respective divisions?
what about Pacquiao's ascent to 140?
yet even those with the faintest boxing knowledge here can see that Mayweather flat out has not followed the same blueprint at 140 and 147
you cannot be an all time great based on taking on all comers and then stopping that line of thinking at 2002
Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
even if it means taking them as far away from their respective weight classes as possible? Does that also mean that its ok for him to fight Ivan Calderon at 142 as well? I mean he is considered the best pure boxer in the game by your standards it shouldnt matter right?
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.
thats fine but you know as well as I do Manny has proven to take the added weight well. He was a 180 from what Hatton showed at 147.
Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.
thats fine and dandy but here is the difference
Paul Williams? will go to 160 to fight his opponents. He will go back to 154 or 147 if the challenge is there. He has said it himself
Manny Pacquiao? is going to whatever weight class he feels there is a challenge.
Floyd? fighting a fighter 2 weight classes above his best
big difference
Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
Which fighters do you believe help enhance Floyd's legacy monetarily and competitively?
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Though I agree with that to an extent, to become Lineal champ in either of those divisions considering big money has to be involved with a fight with Floyd, I'm not sure anyone from 140,154, or even 160 (except maybe Pavlik) gives him a big payday (and I dont think we will ever see a Pavlik vs Mayweather fight)
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
You can't deny Cotto being one of the biggest stars in the sport. Him having 1 loss didn't really drop him off the radar as he's regarded as the #2 WW in the World behind Mosley (whom he has a win over). Him fighting Clottey is a risky fight in the sense of low reward / high risk, but people will flood MSG to see Cotto way more than to see Clottey.
Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.
If Floyd is willing to move up and down to these weight-classes in order to achieve this, then its all good, and props to him.
Its when he's trying to take on the lower weight-class champions at higher weight-classes where he's at an advantage is where people have the problem.
Besides Pacquiao, what other fights would make sense for Floyd to take in this stage of his career looking at both 140-147 landscape? Do you believe because Floyd had most of his fights at 130 that his move up to WW is something like Roy Jones getting a strap at Heavyweight and then moving back down? Is a fight with the top WWs a disadvantage to Floyd right now? I'm genuinely asking.
Floyd should fight the fights that enhance his legacy from a historical standpoint.
As of Right Now.
I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class.
from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division.
I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history.
History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154
History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140
Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in.
Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao.
and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.
Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?
First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/
People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.
Those fights are not tune ups period.
His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.
For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.
A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.
Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?
I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight
Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
5 Division Champion
Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Rin
At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight eve up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.
Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.
That was horrible! Don't compare Floyd to pwill and PAC. They bounce around weight classes to fight people in those particular weights, not to make other fighters fight out of their weight classes. No need to dismantle the rest of that post
I don't give anything for what JMM thinks in that regard. I bet he's thinking $$$$$$ above anything. It's about how important this fight is for Floyds legacy.
what legacy??
Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?
First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/
People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.
Those fights are not tune ups period.
His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.
For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.
A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.
Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?
I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight
Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
5 Division Champion
Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.
Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.
Besides Pacquiao, what other fights would make sense for Floyd to take in this stage of his career looking at both 140-147 landscape? Do you believe because Floyd had most of his fights at 130 that his move up to WW is something like Roy Jones getting a strap at Heavyweight and then moving back down? Is a fight with the top WWs a disadvantage to Floyd right now? I'm genuinely asking.
I really don't see why any of this is an issue up for discussion. all else aside the fact is, at least in my opinion, that it seems that the 3 best pound 4 pound fighters in the world are headed for a clash, this is history in the making.
no
if Floyd is not a true welter, then why wouldn't YOU want him to fight a JMM at a weight where both are closer to their natural weight then?
stop using the excuse of "well JMM called him out" honestly why wouldn't you want to see him fight at a weight where the challenge is real and not made up by those who think Floyd can do no wrong
I say Floyd is not a true welterweight COMPARED to the rest of the fighters in the welterweight division.
The reason that weight classes exist at all is to ensure a fair fight. Fair and safe competition begins with the requirement that the two men facing each other are the same size in terms of weight.
At Welterweight Floyd fights at a Physical Disadvantage every fight, because he is coming in at the welterweight limit and other fighters are coming in as Middleweights...!
I am pretty sure if Floyd wanted to fight middleweights, he would rather fight for a middleweight title rather than a welterweight title.
At Welterweight.
Floyd is suppose to be fighting 147 pound fighters not 165 pounds Fighters posing as 147 pound fighters....
But People say all he has to fight a real WW and nobody else..!!!
Like Floyd comes in at 160 like every other fighter does at Welterweight.
FLOYD IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT COMPARED TO OTHER WELTERWEIGHTS.
If you are truly interested in Welterweights (147 pounders) fighting welterweights...then you should be disgusted at the fact that all the supposedly Welterweights in the WW division all fight around 160 when the fight starts. when the limit they should be at is 147.
When people say Floyd needs to beat a real WW and stop fighting on smaller guys?
They say that like Floyd 1st or 2nd division was WW and he has been fighting Small guys his whole Career....
Context
The WW Division
Cotto's: 2nd Division
Margarito's: 2nd Division
Shane Mosley: 3rd Division
Andre Berto: 2nd Division (1st:160)
Joshua Clottey:1st Division
Kermit Cintron: 1st Division
Paul Williams:2nd Division (1st:160)
CarlosQuintana:1st Division
Floyd Mayweather 4th Division
If you say Mayweather has grown into the Welther weight division even though that is his 4th Division
PLease Answer this Direct Question:
1.If Mayweather Has grown into a Natural WW, What Have the Other Fighters who have been in the WW division Grown into if that is their 1st or 2nd Division..?
or do you think that Mayweather is the only fighter who Grows in the Division?
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5117184&highlight=tune#post5117184
Here is the Logic:
Boxers have 17 weight classes to fit into. They should be compelled to fight within the one that most nearly reflects their actual trim and fit weight.
The primary objective of having 17 weight classes in this sport should be to determine the best fighters within specific intervals of weight. Not to pick on Margarito, but if he weighs a trim and fit 165 lbs. on fight night, then how on Earth can we call him the 147 lb. champion with a straight face?
Why have so many weight classes if the boxers being weighed are going to make a mockery of the system?
no what they are indeed saying is this
if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?
also he IS a welterweight as of right now. He has weighed 147 or above at the time of his weigh in since Sharmba Mitchell. That Horus makes him a welterweight. What happens POST weigh in is up to the fighter but the RULES (not the Horus code you live by) state that if you weigh in between 147-141 you are indeed a welterweight.
even at this MOST people are giving Floyd latitude if he indeed drops down a few pounds to meet Marquez somewhere in the middle
a fighter that is no regarded as no more than a Cinderella fighter so while you take great pride in Floyd beating Baldomir because of what he held others see him as the Buster Douglass of 147.
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?
naaaaah
so if Manny was still at 130 it would be ok to fight him?
thats you but it does not take into account that there are actually weight divisions to abide by
thats fine and dandy but
1. he is making the 135lb lineal champ come up to him rather than meet at a halfway point. Since you said it yourself that he is not a true welter what is the problem with that? Oh thats right JMM called him out well thats fine but realize this Horus
all that does is give Mayweather a bargaining tool nothing more. The TRUE challenge isn't making someone come up to a weight class approximately 10lbs more than his last fight.
the challenge is saying "hey JMM is a good fighter and he is a true challenge I want to fight him at his best without compromsing my best"
fighting JMM at approximately 147 isn't doing that and you know it. You cannot say you want Mayweather to enhance his legacy and then go out and fight a fighter who is not anywhere near his optimal fighting weight when you know 1. Mayweather can meet him at a better weight for JMM and 2. at ~147 this poses no true challenge.
but what good is a JMM at ~147? do you seriously think its any semblance of a challenge?
Eaner0919 # 1:.if you are indeed going to campaign at welterweight for a fight don't you think it's more of a challenge to fight a true legitimate welterweight than a blown up lightweight?
First technically we dont know what weight class Floyd intends to campaign at, and the point of a tune up is not to be in to tough of a fight...
the point is to tune up your skills and get a easy win because your next fight is going to be for real. A tune up is basically Paid for public sparring session/
People Saying Mayweather vs. JMM as a tune up is a joke.
Those fights are not tune ups period.
His tune up should be anybody who resembles his next opponent. period.
If he is fighting a southpaw next his tune up should be a southpaw.
If he is fighting a Orthodox fighter next then his tune up should be a Orthodox fighter.
For example if Mayweather plans on Fighting Pacquaio in November or December... His Tune should not be JMM because Pacquaio and JMM are 2 completely different fighters.. a perfect tune up for pacquaio would be a fighter like Yodsanan who is Asain southpaw just like Pacquaio.
A tune up in boxing is the same thing as a scrimmage in football..but the only different is in the tune up we keep score.
Eaner0919#2:
I dont think anyone questions his campaign at 130 so why bring this up? so you can say he did what he had to do let him do what he wants?
I bring this up because Mayweather has only had 39 fights in his career
27 of those fights were at Jr. Lightweight
4 were at lightweight
3 were at Jr. Weterweight
4 were at Welterweight
1 was at Jr. Middleweight
Lineal Champion in 3 Divisions (The Ring Belt)
5 Division Champion
Superfeather weight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Lightweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
Welterweight Lineal Champion (Fact) (The Ring Belt)
At this point of Mayweather career to try and he needs to
in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is, to me is pretty ignorant.
Because he has already did that at 130.
when he stayed there for 27 fights.
Right Now Mayweather needs to fight the best fighters in any weight class.
Instead of up and comers. I rather see Mayweather fight pacquaio rather then a unproven Clottey or under achiveving Miguel Cotto.
Mayweight doesnt have a weight class... he, Paul Williams, and Manny Pacquiao all can fight at 3 different weight classes because they have the ability too.
This is all good conservation but really why do we care so much. Whomever he fights will be downgraded to a nobody by the 5th round and then we're back here on Sunday to express our hate of how Floyd took advantage of another and didn't fight a true warrior or a past his prime fighter.
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