you make some good points but i could use some of those same points to say that Ortiz would win by KO. i dont think Bradley has a bad chin but if Ortiz catches him clean he is going down!
nah, ortiz would need to catch bradley with a lot of clean punches and even then, bradley can only be tKOed, not KTFO.
I guess I'm the only one, but I actually would predict Ortiz by decision.
- Bradley historically has been a bit ore tentative against southpaws
- Ortiz is also a counterpuncher, but is a lot more willing to pull the trigger than Holt
- Bradley has some blatant flaws where he jumps in from time to time and doesn't really cover up when he does it. I was a bit surprised Holt didn't exploit that flaw in the fight. I think Ortiz would be able to catch him there, especially because of his handedness, which would cause Bradley to shift his gameplan a bit.
- Bradley's chin isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. He was flash KDed twice by a guy with good one-punch power. Prior to that, he'd only been hurt once in his career, and he'd faced some decent punchers. Also, Ortiz's power is good but not elite like some people are making him out to be. He does have much better killer instinct than either Bradley or Holt though.
If I were Bradley, I'd stay away from Urango and Ortiz like the plague. They're both just really bad style matchups for him. Nate Campbell would be a great next fight for him.
you make some good points but i could use some of those same points to say that Ortiz would win by KO. i dont think Bradley has a bad chin but if Ortiz catches him clean he is going down!
The second knockdown wasn't as picturesque as the first but it was clean. Bradley came in wide open, ate an uppercut, a hook and a right hand and needed to put a glove on the canvas to keep himself up. He was hurt.
Maybe, but my point is that Bradley was able to take it..am just trying to respond back on how ppl are criticizing Bradley having a glass chin.
I guess I'm the only one, but I actually would predict Ortiz by decision.
- Bradley historically has been a bit ore tentative against southpaws
- Ortiz is also a counterpuncher, but is a lot more willing to pull the trigger than Holt
- Bradley has some blatant flaws where he jumps in from time to time and doesn't really cover up when he does it. I was a bit surprised Holt didn't exploit that flaw in the fight. I think Ortiz would be able to catch him there, especially because of his handedness, which would cause Bradley to shift his gameplan a bit.
- Bradley's chin isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. He was flash KDed twice by a guy with good one-punch power. Prior to that, he'd only been hurt once in his career, and he'd faced some decent punchers. Also, Ortiz's power is good but not elite like some people are making him out to be. He does have much better killer instinct than either Bradley or Holt though.
If I were Bradley, I'd stay away from Urango and Ortiz like the plague. They're both just really bad style matchups for him. Nate Campbell would be a great next fight for him.
This fight would largely determine the sole contender for the crown of the winner of Hatton/Pacquiao (though I doubt either would actually take the match), although JMM jumping into the picture may muddle things in short order.
I actually wouldnt be surprised if Pacquiao's last fight is against the rising star Ortiz well at the time of the fight i expect Ortiz to be near the top of the sport! Victor Ortiz will avenge all of Mexico's losses to Pacquiao :boxing::boxing::boxing:
This fight would largely determine the sole contender for the crown of the winner of Hatton/Pacquiao (though I doubt either would actually take the match), although JMM jumping into the picture may muddle things in short order.
I love ortiz... hes my fav prospect... and right now... he could exploit on some bradleys flaws pretty e asy... but bradley really impresesed me tonight... and i expect him to get better and better....
this fight can wait... but right now.. i pick... victor ortiz....
in a few more fights.. things can change !!
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I'm with you bro.Ortiz is my one of my favorite boxers, but Bradley really impressed the hell outta me!Ortiz has the power advantage,but Bradley has more experience going the distance.It could go either way.I can tell you this much though,I think Lopez,Ortiz and Bradley are the future!
I love ortiz... hes my fav prospect... and right now... he could exploit on some bradleys flaws pretty e asy... but bradley really impresesed me tonight... and i expect him to get better and better....
this fight can wait... but right now.. i pick... victor ortiz....
in a few more fights.. things can change !!
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AGREED...Ortiz is 2 smart an powerfull 4 anyone at 140. Mark it down Hatton or Pac!
Ortiz is a Welterweight, I'd like to only see him fight maybe 2-3 more fights at 140 and then go up to welterweight seeing that he's coming into fight at 150+ anyways
Ortiz hits harder than Holt.
Arnaoutis went 12 rounds with Holt. Ortiz stopped Arnaoutis in 2 rounds.
those are 2 counter punchers fighting each other. styles anyone? oh yea ortiz couldnt even knock arnoutis down where as holt did. guess holt has more power huh.
I got Bradley, don't be deceived by that clean KO in the first round. Bradley was too anxious to fight Holt that he went in there careless. He slip a lot of shots, and he is very good if he fights his game plan. Bradley by UD..
PS: That 2nd KO wasn't that clean..kind of like Tito vs Mayorga's flash KO....
The second knockdown wasn't as picturesque as the first but it was clean. Bradley came in wide open, ate an uppercut, a hook and a right hand and needed to put a glove on the canvas to keep himself up. He was hurt.
well most people on here dont actually watch boxing. they just cruise boxrec and look at calzaghe's shiny undefeated record.
holt can hit hard that's for sure but his tentative counterpunching style doesn't lead to a lot of knockouts. his one punch power is very good though.
Ortiz hits harder than Holt.
Arnaoutis went 12 rounds with Holt. Ortiz stopped Arnaoutis in 2 rounds.
i don't know if people realize holt's record doesn't tell the whole story hiw power is far greater than it shows if you watched his fights you would know that
well most people on here dont actually watch boxing. they just cruise boxrec and look at calzaghe's shiny undefeated record.
holt can hit hard that's for sure but his tentative counterpunching style doesn't lead to a lot of knockouts. his one punch power is very good though.
i don't know if people realize holt's record doesn't tell the whole story hiw power is far greater than it shows if you watched his fights you would know that
agreed Holt is a good fighter with good power. Bradley showed a lot of skill and heart to bounce back the way he did! but i just think Ortiz is on another level and continuing to get better! Ortiz would really take the fight to Bradley and Ortiz has insane power!
i don't know if people realize holt's record doesn't tell the whole story hiw power is far greater than it shows if you watched his fights you would know that