The first TKO of Vargas was because of swelling so you can give or take that one but again explain Shane's sub 500. KO record above lightweight.
Another point that I forgot to mention was punch output. Who's was the one throwing over 100 punches a round against Cotto?????
I think that is very good way of explaining why Cotto was so busted up.
HE THREW MORE FUKING PUNCHES THAN SHANE!!!
Plaster makes much more sense, he also threw more than 100 punches a round against Clottey and there wasn't a single mark on his face.
Your right about that but don't forget that he was a guy who jumped from lightweight straight to welterweight. Also out of all of Shanes win's at lightweight only one was won by decision. His KO percentage in the welter weight division and above was less than 50%. Out of his 20 fights above lightweight only 9 of them were won by KO. Not exactly the same KO percantage as Tony's was at welterweight. He has 27 KO's in 43 pro bouts which is way over 50%
Since you're pointing that out, how about the fact that Plasterito competion at 147 or above will never compare to Mosley's.
point well taken. But Tony's 62% ko record in 43 fights isn't that much better than 9 of 20. Also, don't forget, one of those KO's was tony margarito. Mosley has never been KO'ed at any weight. Cotto's KO percentage dropped drastically after going up just from 140 to 147. Shane is harder puncher than you are giving him credit for. 4 of those fights that he didn't ko his opponent were agains winky wright and vernon forrest. No shame in that. Tony wouldn't have knocked those guys out either. Another fight was against cotto and he had cotto on the run at the end of the fight. Also he had a couple no contests one of which may very well have ended in KO's (raul marquez and the first vargas fight).
Point taken but now consider punch output. Who of the two fighters is known for throwing over 100 punches a round?
Look at who he fought at 154.
DLH W
Winky x2 L
Vargas x2 KO
Mayorga KO
So thats 3 KOs not 2
Margarito at 154
Santos L
At 147
DLH W
Cotto W
FOrrets x2 L
He have fought great comp.
And he is a bigger puncher than Margarito
The first TKO of Vargas was because of swelling so you can give or take that one but again explain Shane's sub 500. KO record above lightweight.
Another point that I forgot to mention was punch output. Who's was the one throwing over 100 punches a round against Cotto?????
I think that is very good way of explaining why Cotto was so busted up.
HE THREW MORE FUKING PUNCHES THAN SHANE!!!
Your right about that but don't forget that he was a guy who jumped from lightweight straight to welterweight. Also out of all of Shanes win's at lightweight only one was won by decision. His KO percentage in the welter weight division and above was less than 50%. Out of his 20 fights above lightweight only 9 of them were won by KO. Not exactly the same KO percantage as Tony's was at welterweight. He has 27 KO's in 43 pro bouts which is way over 50%
point well taken. But Tony's 62% ko record in 43 fights isn't that much better than 9 of 20. Also, don't forget, one of those KO's was tony margarito. Mosley has never been KO'ed at any weight. Cotto's KO percentage dropped drastically after going up just from 140 to 147. Shane is harder puncher than you are giving him credit for. 4 of those fights that he didn't ko his opponent were agains winky wright and vernon forrest. No shame in that. Tony wouldn't have knocked those guys out either. Another fight was against cotto and he had cotto on the run at the end of the fight. Also he had a couple no contests one of which may very well have ended in KO's (raul marquez and the first vargas fight).
unless ssm ruined tony's chin i think tony may still be to much for cotto. styles make fights, and i am not sure cotto could keep him off for 12 rds, unless that plaster really made that much difference, which we won't know till they fight again. or we have a better understanding of exactly how the wraps would have affected the fight. i just wish the commission would give us a detailed report of this shit.
Now thats biased reasoning for ya, Mosley has carried his power all the way up to 154, I dont think you could dispute that.
He lost 2 fights at 154 and has only two KO's in that division.
career lightweight? Mosley has fought almost half his career (past 10 years and 20 fights to be exact) at 147/154? What the hell are you talking about?
Your right about that but don't forget that he was a guy who jumped from lightweight straight to welterweight. Also out of all of Shanes win's at lightweight only one was won by decision. His KO percentage in the welter weight division and above was less than 50%. Out of his 20 fights above lightweight only 9 of them were won by KO. Not exactly the same KO percantage as Tony's was at welterweight. He has 27 KO's in 43 pro bouts which is way over 50%
finding the plastic in his gloves says that the commission needs a suspension as well...every fight that takes place should have someone from the commission standing there watching while each fighter hands are being wrapped and how much guaze and tape can be appllied...but we all know that theres corruption everywhere so i guess that shoots that theory unless they use different people always instead of having the same person do it for major events...
Harder puncher? He was a career Lighteweight outside of his last 7 or bouts.
Now thats biased reasoning for ya, Mosley has carried his power all the way up to 154, I dont think you could dispute that.
Harder puncher? He was a career Lighteweight outside of his last 7 or bouts.
career lightweight? Mosley has fought almost half his career (past 10 years and 20 fights to be exact) at 147/154? What the hell are you talking about?
ok a much harder puncher sugar shane mosley hit cotto 248 times i believe and cottos face was nowhere near the way it was with margarito.
Harder puncher? He was a career Lighteweight outside of his last 7 or bouts.
What if margy walks down cotto again and stops him sooner than the first time then what will all the cotto fans say then???
That he won fair and square the second time...what else could we say? Somehow I dont see these two fighting again. Margarito's reputation has been flushed down the toilet :Flush:, who would watch any of his future fights without suspicion?
ok a much harder puncher sugar shane mosley hit cotto 248 times i believe and cottos face was nowhere near the way it was with margarito.
VERY good argument!
I personally think that margarito had the plaster in the cotto fight. I also think that plaster or not miguel cotto will never be the same after that fight. If I'm wrong and he can still be the old miguel cotto, he saw the mosley fight like the rest of us. Its pretty obvious how to beat margarito (with or without the quickcrete in the gloves) and thats to go forward, bang his body then his head, then hold like a mofo.
Did all Margarito fans accept the CSAC lab findings?
Aside from a few Yes!!! But you are still not answering the question and never mind that this is a hypothetical question.
Whats funny is none of these Cotto fans have answered the actual question that was asked by the thread starter.
Typical answer " Margarito will never win" or "They will never fight".
THATS NOT THE QUESTION!!!
The question is if Margarito and Cotto have a rematch and Margarito wins will Cotto fans apologize to all of us for acting like crybaby pussies??
if marg did beat cotto then marg has cottos number but cotto has been tagged alot and his face has never ever looked like that even when judah cut cotto in his mouth he still looked good
Your comparing a very small Zab Judah's who fouhgt most of his career at JRWW to Margarito who could of one day fought at 160?
Call me crazy but maybe just maybe Margarito did more damage to Cotto because he was bigger and stronger than Judah.
Plasterless Margarito would get beaten to a pulp, humilated and stopped. Just look at Plasterito's face after the fight and that was with bricks in his wraps.