*PeeP* My "Unbiased" theory on Margarito and the Illegal Pads

exactly! you can't have your cake and eat it too after doing something a million times, any sane person tends to not pay attention to certain things. I'm certain the first time capetillo cheated, margo felt the difference, but maybe margo is just too trusting / gullible when capetillo told him it was a different way of wrapping and not cheating. technically yes, but cotto quit nonetheless there is no triangle, williams destroyed quitnana under 1 round. its very possible that margo cheated against pwill as well. pwill beat up marg in sparring. plus pwill is huge; why wouldn't he want some kind of advantage on pwill. especially if you count the late round surge for margo, its definitely as probable that margo cheated against pwill as he might have done for cotto. that said, pwill took plaster for 12 rounds and won, whereas cotto took plaster and quit. What a bunch of crap! a 19 year vet knows how legal wraps feel .If he didnt say anything its becuase he liked the results. And if your honest you stop , knowing that he who cheats, cheats himself .

Which isnt a fact, A honest interpretation from you that he quit. Just like an honest interpretation from me he tried to rest for a few seconds which i never claimed is a fact. c'mon! you know the KTFO was inevitable the way the fight was going. cotto quit.

Don't forget that all those people you just named(Marg., Williams, Clottey) are natueral Jr. Middleweights while Cotto is a natueral Jr. Welterweight. cotto ain't no jr. welterweight!!! he couldn't make that weight unless he cut off an arm Which means.............. he quit? and this is a fact?LOL Duran quitting against SRL is a fact. Taking a knee can be interpreted as sacrificing a round to get a few seconds of rest.Some might even think its a strategy of some sort. What im saying is these are all interpretations and shouldnt be classified as a "fact". but he took a knee without even gettting hit. basically he said "i quit"

LOL but the Cottosexuals argument is that Marg loaded his gloves against Cotto because Capetillo stated that he always wraps Margs hands that way. Meaning both Williams and Clottey went 12 rounds with a loaded gloved monster while the Cottosexual's hero quit like a bitch. Don't forget that all those people you just named(Marg., Williams, Clottey) are natueral Jr. Middleweights while Cotto is a natueral Jr. Welterweight.

Sounds like an interpretation to me....How is it a fact? please do explain. cotto took a knee without getting hit

The thing is that they both got beat down. Badly. In surprising fasion.(well I thought Mosley was gonna beat his ass anyways) Cotto decided to stop because he didn't want to get seriously hurt. Margarito didn't care and got owned. Im not saying that Cotto is a bitch. Im saying that you cant have special stipulation for this guy because he took some knees. Then say the guy who tried even though he couldn't possibly win, doesn't deserve respect. so you're saying that a loss is a loss whether quitting or getting KTFO? So how is it a fact that Cotto quit when people can draw whatever conclusions they want but that is a matter of interpretation? Isnt your opinion just an interpretation too? the fact is that cotto quit. the interpretation is whether it was dishonorable to quit or not dishonorable to quit.

No. There is no definate proof. I dont jump to conclusions and spout accusations out the mouth. The fact is, Cotto fans(majority) think that Margarito used it against Cotto. Then that would mean that he used it against Williams too. But when that comes into question its "No he couldn't have used it against Williams." which means he only used it against Cotto which was his next biggest fight since Williams. edit- oops, Cintron as well. Who beat Margarito as well.

i dont remember any1 thinking marg only cheated against cotto. once that shit happen the mosley fight my thoughts were how long has he done this. if he ko floyd and got caught his next fight of course u gonna think if he did against ur dude.

nah, very different ways they went out. margo got ktfo because he didn't want to quit. cotto quit because he didn't want to get ktfo. :rofl: well said pullcounter and very true.

So that makes him a real boxer now?!.. Some people are AMAZING!..first he gets exposed with an illegal pad in his Wraps..than proceeds to get KTFO and cuz he smiles..he's a "Real Boxer"..LMAO!.. God damn DLH, Quintana, Vazquez, Freitas, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc for not being "real boxers!"..LMAO!.. No. The point is. Someone losses in the same way(getting beat down) but you have special stipulation for one person over the other. Then try to say that he used it against Cotto and only Cotto. No reason to use it on Williams who is just as dangerous if not then more. Makes no sense. Your making a special stipulation for Cotto. nah, very different ways they went out. margo got ktfo because he didn't want to quit. cotto quit because he didn't want to get ktfo. personally, i think cotto did the right thing for his career and his family. the only reason to continue is because there's a chance of victory. margo's machismo was hollow. The thing is that they both got beat down. Badly. In surprising fasion.(well I thought Mosley was gonna beat his ass anyways) Cotto decided to stop because he didn't want to get seriously hurt. Margarito didn't care and got owned. Im not saying that Cotto is a bitch. Im saying that you cant have special stipulation for this guy because he took some knees. Then say the guy who tried even though he couldn't possibly win, doesn't deserve respect.

Why he would of want to cheat against a number one COntender that nobody knew about? nobody knew but margo knew cause they sparred before and pwill beat him up What does that make Cotto to you than Pull?..a bitch?..a Quitter?..Soft?..Weak?..less skilled?..lol how about beat!..that's all that can be said..I don't look for excuses..I think of the possibilities while they're more than likely very probable..unlike most.. all it means is cotto quit. people can draw whatever conclusions they want but that is a matter of interpretation. If Williams took 12 rounds of Plaster..than he has a HELL of a Chin..but remember..his Defense was his Offense..unlike Cotto!.. nah... the thing we need to remember is that pwill has better stamina than cotto And to the ones saying Cotto quit..it was nothing like DLH, Vazquez, Chavez, Quintana, etc... Cotto got back up and if the ref would have let it continue..he would have took more shots before either A) taking another knee or B) getting KTFO!.. Cotto didn't ever say "I don't wanna go back out"..."I can't".."F*ck this".."I quit"..he got back up in time..and his Corner said it's over!.. cotto took a knee without getting hit... that basically means the same thing Margarito got KTFO! Cotto took a couple knees and Evangelista threw the towel in!..very different..both defeated..in different manners tho.. nah, very different ways they went out. margo got ktfo because he didn't want to quit. cotto quit because he didn't want to get ktfo. personally, i think cotto did the right thing for his career and his family. the only reason to continue is because there's a chance of victory. margo's machismo was hollow.

Thank you. The man took a knee and quit. He didn't want anymore. You dont take knees on purpose late in the match unless you dont want to continue. Margarito did the same exact thing as Cotto. Oh wait. He didnt quit. He took his ass beating like a real boxer. And smiled about it afterwards. So that makes him a real boxer now?!.. Some people are AMAZING!..first he gets exposed with an illegal pad in his Wraps..than proceeds to get KTFO and cuz he smiles..he's a "Real Boxer"..LMAO!.. God damn DLH, Quintana, Vazquez, Freitas, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc for not being "real boxers!"..LMAO!..

People who say cotto didnt quit is in denial. It was obvious he didnt want anymore. He took a knee when marg was coming at him and his corner seen this and got him out of there Thank you. The man took a knee and quit. He didn't want anymore. You dont take knees on purpose late in the match unless you dont want to continue. Margarito got KTFO! Cotto took a couple knees and Evangelista threw the towel in!..very different..both defeated..in different manners tho.. Margarito did the same exact thing as Cotto. Oh wait. He didnt quit. He took his ass beating like a real boxer. And smiled about it afterwards.

And to the ones saying Cotto quit..it was nothing like DLH, Vazquez, Chavez, Quintana, etc... Cotto got back up and if the ref would have let it continue..he would have took more shots before either A) taking another knee or B) getting KTFO!.. Cotto didn't ever say "I don't wanna go back out"..."I can't".."F*ck this".."I quit"..he got back up in time..and his Corner said it's over!.. People who say cotto didnt quit is in denial. It was obvious he didnt want anymore. He took a knee when marg was coming at him and his corner seen this and got him out of there ...................................

People who say cotto didnt quit is in denial. It was obvious he didnt want anymore. He took a knee when marg was coming at him and his corner seen this and got him out of there

That means you feel the same exact way for Margarito when he lost to Mosley. Same exact fashion of victory except with less blood. Margarito got KTFO! Cotto took a couple knees and Evangelista threw the towel in!..very different..both defeated..in different manners tho..

What does that make Cotto to you than Pull?..a bitch?..a Quitter?..Soft?..Weak?..less skilled?..lol how about beat!..that's all that can be said..I don't look for excuses..I think of the possibilities while they're more than likely very probable..unlike most.. If Williams took 12 rounds of Plaster..than he has a HELL of a Chin..but remember..his Defense was his Offense..unlike Cotto!.. That means you feel the same exact way for Margarito when he lost to Mosley. Which is his only KO loss with a 6 Loss record. Same exact fashion of victory except with less blood.

And to the ones saying Cotto quit..it was nothing like DLH, Vazquez, Chavez, Quintana, etc... Cotto got back up and if the ref would have let it continue..he would have took more shots before either A) taking another knee or B) getting KTFO!.. Cotto didn't ever say "I don't wanna go back out"..."I can't".."F*ck this".."I quit"..he got back up in time..and his Corner said it's over!..

that said, pwill took plaster for 12 rounds and won, whereas cotto took plaster and quit. What does that make Cotto to you than Pull?..a bitch?..a Quitter?..Soft?..Weak?..less skilled?..lol how about beat!..that's all that can be said..I don't look for excuses..I think of the possibilities while they're more than likely very probable..unlike most.. If Williams took 12 rounds of Plaster..than he has a HELL of a Chin..but remember..his Defense was his Offense..unlike Cotto!..

Paul Williams is better than Miguel Cotto That is what all you Cotto fans are saying then. That would be the case if Margarito used plaster against Cotto. If you say Cotto was cheated then he had to have done it against Williams as well. Williams beat a Plaster-Margarito. Cotto gave up against a Plaster-Margarito. Williams is better than Cotto then. Period. If you continue to say Margarito cheated Cotto. Your saying Paul Williams is better than Cotto. Otherwise your making a special stipulation for Cotto. Which makes your point of Cotto being cheated completely null & void. Period. exactly! you can't have your cake and eat it too Nothings impossible..but bro..this is not the inexperienced Pullcounter & WaRCoTTo we're talking about..this is Margarito..a VET 19 years strong as a PRO!..how could u not KNOW?!.. after doing something a million times, any sane person tends to not pay attention to certain things. I'm certain the first time capetillo cheated, margo felt the difference, but maybe margo is just too trusting / gullible when capetillo told him it was a different way of wrapping and not cheating. And I don't care what Boricuas feel..I'm not Rican..but Evangelista threw the towel in after the 2nd knee..Cotto was done..but his corner Technically called it.. technically yes, but cotto quit nonetheless and It is a Triangle..Cotto beat Quintana the FIRST time..Williams did it the SECOND...Williams beat Margarito the FIRST time..Cotto had the opportunity to beat Margarito the SECOND time..but Margs effed that up..Not Cotto!.. there is no triangle, williams destroyed quitnana under 1 round. He whole Theory on this is that Magarito after the Williams loss, felt he needed a extra boost(Plaster). The Cotto fight was his biggest fight and his last chance at stadome. SO he did not cheated against Williams. And in no way, Sahpe or form Willaims is a better fighter than Cotto!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!! its very possible that margo cheated against pwill as well. pwill beat up marg in sparring. plus pwill is huge; why wouldn't he want some kind of advantage on pwill. especially if you count the late round surge for margo, its definitely as probable that margo cheated against pwill as he might have done for cotto. that said, pwill took plaster for 12 rounds and won, whereas cotto took plaster and quit.