Prime Vitali Klitschko vs Prime Evander Holyfield

The highly respected reporter Graham Houston had Valuev winning. No european media cried robbery. Those cries primarily came from US based trade websites not present at the venue. But still had eyes to watch on television. What part of "Anyone who had Valuev winning lost respect" did you not read? Anyone who scores that fight for Valuev is a JOKE. You still had Holyfield up by 1 point...ON TV! That's terrible scoring. If anything, you have a better view on TV because you could see from a better angle the clean punches landing. Even then, the judges who are right at ringside have a good view of the fight and there is just simply not a case you can make for Valuev. He does not land clean punches at all. Let's look at his bullshit report: Here’s what I was seeing, rightly or wrongly. I was seeing Valuev moving in slowly but looking like the man who wanted to engage. Holyfield was moving smoothly around the ring, this way and that, impressively athletic for a fighter of his age. I saw Valuev plugging away with left jabs, initially mainly to the body. Excuse me, but I thought a jab was still a scoring punch? I saw Holyfield fighting — that is actually throwing punches — for very brief moments in each round after the third. He landed some nice shots, and there isn’t any doubt that, overall, he connected with a greater number of eye-catching punches than did the huge Russian. Valuev, though, was pegging away with the left jab. So, as I was seeing it, a judge had a problem because a case could be made for either man winning in a number of these rounds. This bolded is wrong as hell because Valuev was NOT landing that jab and if he did it was rarely. He was also being outlanded by Holyfield's CLEAN shots. Emphasize in clean. It's not about the TV commentary in this fight. I could go ROUND BY ROUND since the judges scores are out there and explain what they did wrong, but it wouldn't change your opinion because "The experts at ringside had Valuev winning and highly boxing regarded writer Graham Houston had Valuev winning" You know what's really funny about this statement? HOUSTON WASN'T AT RINGSIDE! He was watching on TV like the good majority. What he wasn't paying attention to was Holyfield's clean shots, even though he outlanded Valuev in them. "Regarded" Graham Houston even says so himself: He landed some nice shots, and there isn’t any doubt that, overall, he connected with a greater number of eye-catching punches than did the huge Russian. He takes in no regard for clean punches, just the "aggressive jabbing" (who still rarely threw anything) Valuev. To make his opinion even more "respected" he says this: Not many heavyweights in the ring today would have an easy night with Holyfield. Don't get me wrong, Holyfield clearly beat Valuev, but I'd pick the majority of the heavyweights and everyone in the top 10 minus Valuev to beat Holyfield. Holyfield clearly lost to Sultan Ibragimov about 2 years ago. He's nowhere near his former self and yet this "respected" writer says that Holyfield would give most problems. Please.

In their Prime, Evander Holyfield wins. The man was just too strong, had better speed than Vitali, could take a punch, and knew how to foul. It doesn't matter how big you are. If Holyfield headbutted you then your screwed for the rest of the night. If he gave you the groin shot, then your done in the middle of the fight.

the klitcko sisters r chinnleass hypejob.

It was better than most I've heard. I believe the Valuev-Holyfield fight came down to this: 1) Both threw very few punches 2) Holyfield landed a couple of them That was about it. Haha yeah if this wasn't a Sauerland production Holy could've gotten the decision by landing 3 power shots a round to Valuev's 2 jabs a round (and I may be over exaggerating the 2 landed jabs)

real deal wins. he has TOO much HEART!

TheManchine is no where near Finland. My joke sucked, but hey, you wanted me to insert a joke about you not being from Finland right? It was better than most I've heard. I believe the Valuev-Holyfield fight came down to this: 1) Both threw very few punches 2) Holyfield landed a couple of them That was about it.

A lot of Finnish boxing fans thought the fight was a bit of a robbery. Insert a joke about TheManchine not being Finnish. TheManchine is no where near Finland. My joke sucked, but hey, you wanted me to insert a joke about you not being from Finland right?

A lot of Finnish boxing fans thought the fight was a bit of a robbery. Insert a joke about TheManchine not being Finnish. I'm just taking the piss out of Bat. He knows its all in good fun.

Bat, are you employed by the European Boxing Association? A lot of Finnish boxing fans thought the fight was a bit of a robbery. Insert a joke about TheManchine not being Finnish.

The highly respected reporter Graham Houston had Valuev winning. No european media cried robbery. Those cries primarily came from US based trade websites not present at the venue. Bat, are you employed by the European Boxing Association?

...Evander is in my top five favorite boxers of all times and I loved him. However, he did not have a granite chin and was hurt and made me nervous more times than I can remember. Vitali is just too big for him IMO. The superior boxing does you no good if you can't hit your target because of range issues. I see this as the post I agree with the most in this entire thread. Vitali's advantages just seem to me to be too significant for Holy to overcome in this one.

evander....granite chin,speed,power,superior boxing ...Evander is in my top five favorite boxers of all times and I loved him. However, he did not have a granite chin and was hurt and made me nervous more times than I can remember. Vitali is just too big for him IMO. The superior boxing does you no good if you can't hit your target because of range issues.

Yes just yes. "Everybody at ringside" doesn't mean shit. Brian Doogan and everyone who had Valuev winning lost a lot of respect in my book. You could clearly tell Evander was landing and Valuev wasn't. Holyfield won that fight clear as day. Evander outboxed him and Valuev wasn't winning the rounds because of one simple reason, HE DIDN'T LAND. Valuev might have come forward (and rarely threw), but Holyfield didn't throw often, but when he did, he landed. Valuev, at most, won 3 rounds. The highly respected reporter Graham Houston had Valuev winning. No european media cried robbery. Those cries primarily came from US based trade websites not present at the venue.

you do know that you can do the same thing with Vitali, right? I mean, Vitali's best wins are Corrie Sanders and Sam Peter. I mean, even if you ignore Bowe's wins over Holyfield, his other wins are no worse than Vitali's whole career. They have similar wins even...just Bowe beat them a lot earlier/took their 0

Who did Bowe beat that was remotely as big or good as Vitali? Bowe has a good win over Evander, who else he beat? Golota punked him out twice. you do know that you can do the same thing with Vitali, right? I mean, Vitali's best wins are Corrie Sanders and Sam Peter. I mean, even if you ignore Bowe's wins over Holyfield, his other wins are no worse than Vitali's whole career.

Holyfield is arguably the most well rounded heavyweight of all time. he had a LOT of tools, and could fight well in almost any situation. he wasnt the best in any area, but he could hang in there when he was outmatched and change the fight to exploit what his opponent lacked. I see Vitali being able to stick Holyfield on the outside for good amount of the time, but Holyfield would eventually be able to get on the inside...and Vitali has pretty much no infighting ability. Holyfield could also hold his own on the outside too, because he used lateral movement well and could close the distance with jabs and right hands. I see Vitali giving Holyfield a lot of trouble in some situations and probebly hitting him with nice shots, but Holyfield would be able to win enough rounds, especially the late ones, to win him the fight. not only was Holyfield very versatile, but he had a habit of being able to grind out the win with his spirit and intensity when the going got tough. I think this would allow him to seperate himself from Vitali in the final few rounds.

Yes just yes. "Everybody at ringside" doesn't mean shit. Brian Doogan and everyone who had Valuev winning lost a lot of respect in my book. You could clearly tell Evander was landing and Valuev wasn't. Holyfield won that fight clear as day. Evander outboxed him and Valuev wasn't winning the rounds because of one simple reason, HE DIDN'T LAND. Valuev might have come forward (and rarely threw), but Holyfield didn't throw often, but when he did, he landed. Valuev, at most, won 3 rounds. Good post warp.

I actually had Holyfield winning (by a point) just like most people watching on a TV-screen. Nearly all reporters sitting at ringside had Valuev winning. Calling it a robbery is just stupid. Controversial maybe. Robbery no. Just no. You really scare me when you call me names. You are such a big frightening machoman. Yes just yes. "Everybody at ringside" doesn't mean shit. Brian Doogan and everyone who had Valuev winning lost a lot of respect in my book. You could clearly tell Evander was landing and Valuev wasn't. Holyfield won that fight clear as day. Evander outboxed him and Valuev wasn't winning the rounds because of one simple reason, HE DIDN'T LAND. Valuev might have come forward (and rarely threw), but Holyfield didn't throw often, but when he did, he landed. Valuev, at most, won 3 rounds.

i wasnt comparing holy to the vitali of the other day, you think evander would eat steelhammer after steelhammer you must have been thinking of the evander who was robbed vs valuev never reach him? he reached lewis in the 2nd fight, he reached bowe, far better fighters than vit.....lewis expecially was good at keeping opponents away prime evander was fast on his feet, was a far superior boxer to vitali, and had a granite chin evander UD you are a ****ing retard and an obvious biased european, you probably think holyfield-valuev was good judging you ****wit, your opinion is worthless I actually had Holyfield winning (by a point) just like most people watching on a TV-screen. Nearly all reporters sitting at ringside had Valuev winning. Calling it a robbery is just stupid. Controversial maybe. Robbery no. Just no. You really scare me when you call me names. You are such a big frightening machoman.

lmao. you just proved the other posters point with this reply. JLG was a human punching bag who never beat a top 10 guy and was mopped up by none other than cliff couser and ross purrity. jesse ferguson was nothing more than a journeyman and dokes was shot to bits. lol,,,,vitali also fought and knocked out both herbie hide (ko2) and larry donald (tko10) much more impressively and swiftly than bowe (donald went the distance and hide went 6)). get your facts straight before you post Vitali beat Herbie Hide 4 years after Bowe did and beat Donald 8 years after Bowe did. Donald, Gonzalez, and Hide were all undefeated when they lost to Bowe. Beating Holyfield by the way, is greater then anything Vitali has done.