Why do some of you consider Floyd overrated??

You are right as most ww's probably rehydrate up to 155-160lbs some even more, and floyd only gets up to 150lbs, but does it really affect him that much, would he want to be any heavier, it may add to his punching power but would slow him down I thought he looked a touch slower at 154, I think the lack of weight actually suits him as he retains his speed, which suits his style. He already hits hard enough to keep most ww's honest. Saying all of this he is a small welter...no doubt True enough, the weight and size thing was never an excuse I used as a reason for fights not happeaning, or one I though that held much weight. He fought fine at welter and was the champ. There really is not that much difference in what we are saying. He is definetly capable of fighting at a very high level at 147 pounds against quality opposition.

Honestly I just think the whole natural weight of a fighter is just too subjective to have any real definition. So I think if Floyd can make the weight at welter then he's a natural welterweight. Yea it is kind of subjective, but aside from Judah (whom I think can possibly make 140) I can not think of another welter Floyd's size. Like I said though as you are defining it, he can be considered a welter but for me it is hard to compare his physical size to most welters of today. That is why I consider him to be a weightclass below. When he was fighting at welter though and was the champ his size was no excuse to not fight anyone, and he fought perfectly fine at the weightclass.

I don't like the guy, but I don't think he's overrated, he's just not fun to watch, that's why I don't care if he return.

If you want to use a classical definition of welter with day of weigh ins yea Floyd is a natural welter. I was talking about today's definition of welter though, I already accepted what he said in responce to that because he is using a more old school view of the class. I never called those guys to big to be welters though, they make the weight by the rules listed today. Just compared to those guys Floyd is a lot smaller. Judah was a little bit bigger then Floyd, they are pretty close now. By today's standards though it is hard to call him a natural welter You are right as most ww's probably rehydrate up to 155-160lbs some even more, and floyd only gets up to 150lbs, but does it really affect him that much, would he want to be any heavier, it may add to his punching power but would slow him down I thought he looked a touch slower at 154, I think the lack of weight actually suits him as he retains his speed, which suits his style. He already hits hard enough to keep most ww's honest. Saying all of this he is a small welter...no doubt

If you want to use a classical definition of welter with day of weigh ins yea Floyd is a natural welter. I was talking about today's definition of welter though, I already accepted what he said in responce to that because he is using a more old school view of the class. I never called those guys to big to be welters though, they make the weight by the rules listed today. Just compared to those guys Floyd is a lot smaller. Judah was a little bit bigger then Floyd, they are pretty close now. By today's standards though it is hard to call him a natural welter Honestly I just think the whole natural weight of a fighter is just too subjective to have any real definition. So I think if Floyd can make the weight at welter then he's a natural welterweight.

Well what is a natural welterweight?? If guys like Margarito and williams are too big and floyd and Zab Judah are too small then what exactly is a natural welterweight? If you want to use a classical definition of welter with day of weigh ins yea Floyd is a natural welter. I was talking about today's definition of welter though, I already accepted what he said in responce to that because he is using a more old school view of the class. I never called those guys to big to be welters though, they make the weight by the rules listed today. Just compared to those guys Floyd is a lot smaller. Judah was a little bit bigger then Floyd, they are pretty close now. By today's standards though it is hard to call him a natural welter

Not sure what you want me to say. Nothing much just dont think your cotto comparison was a very good way of justifying your point I would just like to see floyd in some more fights like the oscar, and hatton fights where you actually feel he will have some problems If he fought some of the fighters I mentioned earlier I would quite happily hold him in the same breathe as a ray leonard. I repeat he beat the best fighters available at super feather and lightweight, but there were not stand out fighters at those weight divisions, not his fault. now there is in pac, and marquez. There are dangerous fights at ww, so I would just like to see him fight some of these guys whilst he is in his prime...that is all

Yeah his best weight was probably lw, but I was at the hatton fight, and floyd looked the bigger man at the weigh in and fight, which me and friends were surprised with, and hatton is a good sized lww. Like I said I think floyd is a big lww, but a small ww Agree with the point of moving up in weight thus I said earlier that a short compact fighter like cotto is not well suited to moving through weight divisions. Yea, I do not think that Floyd is out of his depth at 147, he has like a perfect boxing body so he just looks right no matter the weight he fights at (long and lean, but not to long and lean). He is closer to a welter now then he is to lightweight, can not really deny that. I still call him more of a natural 140 pounder though atleast using todays standards. Not that much difference in what we are saying though.

Well what is a natural welterweight?? If guys like Margarito and williams are too big and floyd and Zab Judah are too small then what exactly is a natural welterweight? Floyd IS a natural WW. Most WW's are middleweights drying themselves out to make WW.

To call Floyd a natural welter is ludacris, . Well what is a natural welterweight?? If guys like Margarito and williams are too big and floyd and Zab Judah are too small then what exactly is a natural welterweight?

Are you saying your only complaint with Floyd is that he said he would fight anyone from 154 on down, so if he had not said that then you would have no problem with his actions? I find that very hard to believe. No. My complaint is the fact that he was regarded as the pfp best in the world, without facing the best in the world. Now what he did at 130-135 cannot be argued, but how is it that he didnt become pfp#1 until he fought the likes of Gatti and Baldomir. That title was given to him due to his undefeated record. Not his resume. Same goes for Calzaghe. Had he had even 1 loss on his record, he would be no where near the top 5 with the shitty level of competition he faced throughout his career.

Not sure what you want me to say. There is a big difference between Floyd's 130 run and Oscar's. Oscar dropped down to pick up a strap and almost imediately moved to 135. Floyd came up in 130 and won his first belt there, to be like Oscar he would have to drop to like 126 for 1 or 2 fights to win a belt then back to 130 to have a real run. Not talking shit about Oscar either just that Oscar and Floyd had different career arcs.

Just because you can go up an fight effectively in bigger weight classes does not make you a big man. if a fighter relies on being powerful moving up in weight is a very tall task. While someone that relies on speed and technique has an easier time. For the most part of Floyd's career I would consider him a natural lightweight, he can probably not get down to 135 anymore, so I would think he is a natural 140 pounder. The difference in fight night weights between Floyd and other welterweight is sick, so I just can not consider him as a natural welter atleast with the current rules. Yeah his best weight was probably lw, but I was at the hatton fight, and floyd looked the bigger man at the weigh in and fight, which me and friends were surprised with, and hatton is a good sized lww. Like I said I think floyd is a big lww, but a small ww Agree with the point of moving up in weight thus I said earlier that a short compact fighter like cotto is not well suited to moving through weight divisions.

Floyd moved not only up to 147 but 154, so thats 24 pounds not 17. Yes I know this but I am talking about him fighting the best ww's in the world, and whilst I acknowledge that is a great accomplishment, he also fought a fighter who started his career at 130 in oscar, and although he was still a good fighter when floyd beat him, he was not a young, hungry 154lb elite champ

Not gaining in excess of 5 pounds is as natural as it gets. And that weight gain is from one day to the next. To his credit, hes one of the few who actually fights at his natural weight. Other guys drain themselves drastically. Alright I can accept that opinion.

Thats a bad example firstly because cotto is a small compact fighter not really made for going through the weight divisions, but yet I still believe cotto will eventually win world titles at 154 if he wants it bad enough, if cotto moved up to 168 that would mean moving up 28lbs in weight, floyd moving up to ww was a jump of 17lbs, thats a significant difference. In my opinion floyd is now a small ww, but a ww nonetheless, probably can still make 140 fairly comfortably but would be a big lw now Paul williams fighting super-middles would be a better example to make ur point Just because you can go up an fight effectively in bigger weight classes does not make you a big man. if a fighter relies on being powerful moving up in weight is a very tall task. While someone that relies on speed and technique has an easier time. For the most part of Floyd's career I would consider him a natural lightweight, he can probably not get down to 135 anymore, so I would think he is a natural 140 pounder. The difference in fight night weights between Floyd and other welterweight is sick, so I just can not consider him as a natural welter atleast with the current rules.

If Floyd stayed at 135 and milked the titles he would be even more criticized than he is today. Not necessarily. If his body frame didnt allow for him to move up, then how can he be criticized. You can only move up as far as your body will allow you to. Over the years, he moved up and grew into each weight-class nicely with the exception of 154. Many of his fans say his most competitive weight-class was 140, although his biggest wins and accomplishments took place when he was younger at 130-135. Had Floyd moved up as far as 140 and dominiated, dont see how he can be criticized as long as he took on the absolute best comp available. Its when he opts to move up to 147/154, and claim to be the best at those weights without fighting the best that draws criticism. If you're gonna move up, go hard or dont go at all. Dont be half-assed about it. If you feel you're too small to compete with the best at the highter weight-classes, and opt to fight easy comp instead, then stay the fuk where u were. Nobody wants to see that.

He is not a natural welter weight that is for damn sure. Maybe in the generation of same day weigh ins he could be refered to as such, but not in today's boxing world with day before weigh ins. Not gaining in excess of 5 pounds is as natural as it gets. And that weight gain is from one day to the next. To his credit, hes one of the few who actually fights at his natural weight. Other guys drain themselves drastically.

I dont take what fighters say to be the absolute truth, sure I would have liked to see other fights, but he did fight the best at 130 and 135, again him jumping way out of his supposed weight class and not fighting CERTAIN fighters I cant too much knock him. If Cotto jumped up to 168 I wouldnt be mad at him if he didnt fight say a Kessler or Dawson, who campaigned there not too long ago, see where Im going with this? Thats a bad example firstly because cotto is a small compact fighter not really made for going through the weight divisions, but yet I still believe cotto will eventually win world titles at 154 if he wants it bad enough, if cotto moved up to 168 that would mean moving up 28lbs in weight, floyd moving up to ww was a jump of 17lbs, thats a significant difference. In my opinion floyd is now a small ww, but a ww nonetheless, probably can still make 140 fairly comfortably but would be a big lw now Paul williams fighting super-middles would be a better example to make ur point

:crying::bottle: Calm the **** down homey. This is 1 of the reasons I usually don't bother wit PBF threads, cuz his whinyass stans instantly start their periods if sumthin disagreeable gets said. I respect PBF's talent and accomplishments very much. I just ain't a fan no more cuz he talked without deliverin. Had he not said shit about WW fighters, I wouldn't give a shit, but he did. To me talk is cheap and meaningless. To put that much weight into the words of a man that is known to be full of shit is strange and make no mistake about it Floyd Mayweather is full of shit. As a general rule I do not care about talk from people who are full of shit~. All I care about is inside the ring. I never brought up anything else other then talk because that is what you brought up, so thanks for the extra info.