I just noticed something about the Ring Magazine P4P list

nowadays fighters start fighting at an older age. they also go for years without fighting anyone serious since promoters and managers try to get them safe fights. also with modern training and nutritional programs , fighters can keep themselves competitive at a higher age especially since they start boxing pro at an older age and have pretty easy fights to start their careers.

um...what about Adamek, who is now the best at Cruiserweight? Seems better than Darchinyan's wins over Mijares and Arce to me. adamek isnt p4p either. vic is a unifed and lineal champ also and has a win over their top 5 fighter. its arguable and probable that ssm is better now than when he fought cotto, due to nazim richardson. not to mention he has a lot of other good names on his record at 140 and 147. I mean, Cotto's record at 140 is better than Hattons other than that win over Tsyzu, and his record at 147 certainly makes up for that, doesnt it? its good enough to be just outside the top 10 thats dumb. Heavyweights have made it on the p4p lists before. and although Wlad probebly doesnt quite deserve to be on it because the HW division is so awful, he has as much right to be on there as someone like Caballero only exceptional HW have been on the p4p list. i dont even think caballero should be on there and ended up losing to Hatton and retiring not long after. layoffs hurt fighters, and if a fighter goes down a notch or two, they should be moved down in the p4p rankings as well. he came back and destroyed mitchell same as before. he had his tune up before hatton. hatton just too fresh and young for tszyu.. the layoff didnt hurt him, he was just too old and also hatton had homecourt and referee advantage. izzy and raf should still be on top 10. I believe Winky was still on the p4p list after his loss to Hopkins(which I thought was a draw anyway), but they eventually took him off because of his inactivity. which was the whole point. it wasnt inactivity, it was because a lot of fighters stepped up their game.

- hatton and caballero can be left off - calderon should on - darchinyan should be there he beat mijares and dominated jorgeCalderon I cant argue for or against, I know nothing about the guys in his division. - dawson has good wins, but tarver and johnson are not p4pum...what about Adamek, who is now the best at Cruiserweight? Seems better than Darchinyan's wins over Mijares and Arce to me. - cotto quit against margo and beat a nobody (jennings) and has a win over their top 5 fighter. not to mention he has a lot of other good names on his record at 140 and 147. I mean, Cotto's record at 140 is better than Hattons other than that win over Tsyzu, and his record at 147 certainly makes up for that, doesnt it? - wlad is a heavyweight and disqualified thats dumb. Heavyweights have made it on the p4p lists before. and although Wlad probebly doesnt quite deserve to be on it because the HW division is so awful, he has as much right to be on there as someone like Caballero so what. tszyu was on the list for 2-3 years while he was injured.and ended up losing to Hatton and retiring not long after. layoffs hurt fighters, and if a fighter goes down a notch or two, they should be moved down in the p4p rankings as well. winky lost to hopkins, had a difficult fight against taylor and sam solimon (spelling?) I believe Winky was still on the p4p list after his loss to Hopkins(which I thought was a draw anyway), but they eventually took him off because of his inactivity. which was the whole point. Winky did not have a hard time against Soliman, and considering Taylor was coming off wins over Hopkins and coming up a weight class, its not exactly like its embarressing to have a tough fight with him.

not entirely true. Winky was on the p4p lists until he dissapeared. winky lost to hopkins, had a difficult fight against taylor and sam solimon (spelling?)

maybe its just me, but the Rings p4p list is awful right now. They have Hatton, Caballero, Calderon and Darchinyan on it, but dont have Dawson, Cotto, or Wladimir on there? cmon now. - hatton and caballero can be left off - calderon should on - darchinyan should be there he beat mijares and dominated jorge - dawson has good wins, but tarver and johnson are not p4p - cotto quit against margo and beat a nobody (jennings) - wlad is a heavyweight and disqualified and although Izzy and Raf Marquez deserve to be on there, theyve been inactive for over a year now... so what. tszyu was on the list for 2-3 years while he was injured.

p4p dont get dropped for inactivity... tszyu was #3 for 2 years while injured. not entirely true. Winky was on the p4p lists until he dissapeared.

Izzy shouldn't be p4p # 4 if he hasn't fought in over a year. Caballero shouldn't be on the list, and Hopkins shouldn't be so high. They could put Pavlik on the list instead of Calderon, Dawson instead of Hatton, Cotto in Rafael Marquez's spot p4p dont get dropped for inactivity... tszyu was #3 for 2 years while injured.

Here's the top 10 for proof http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/ 1. Pac 2. JMM 3. Hop 4. Izzy 5. SSM 6. JMM's brother 7. Calderon 8. Hatton 9. Caballero 10. Vic maybe its just me, but the Rings p4p list is awful right now. They have Hatton, Caballero, Calderon and Darchinyan on it, but dont have Dawson, Cotto, or Wladimir on there? cmon now. and although Izzy and Raf Marquez deserve to be on there, theyve been inactive for over a year now... boxing is stalling a little bit right now, but with all the other fighters on the rise, the p4p lists will look much better in the future. the fights are great though right now, which is big plus just goes to show you how good the 90s were. seems like a ton of high class guys in the 90s are doing pretty damn good in todays division despite being clearly past their prime.

Good observation. Damn, Calderon is 34? I haven't really followed his career but I thought he was a young man!

Izzy shouldn't be p4p # 4 if he hasn't fought in over a year. Caballero shouldn't be on the list, and Hopkins shouldn't be so high. They could put Pavlik on the list instead of Calderon, Dawson instead of Hatton, Cotto in Rafael Marquez's spot

isn't pac 29 No he's 30

isn't pac 29

Here's the top 10 for proof http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/ 1. Pac 2. JMM 3. Hop 4. Izzy 5. SSM 6. JMM's brother 7. Calderon 8. Hatton 9. Caballero 10. Vic

Yeah the old guys still got it.

27-30 maybe the rising star years