I'm surprised at just how under rated Marco Antonio Barrera is being as to his chances against Amir Khan.
Marco managed to get to get to a UD loss against a younger JMM now p4p #2 than Diaz just faced, and yet he was TKO'd. He also in 07, managed to be relatively competitive with Pacman despite being TKO'd by him first time around. Two years is awhile ok, but not that long. Marco is still a fit athlete and not that far from still proving his worth at the absolute top level. Has Khan come anywhere near that?
Marco has not slipped to the extent people seem to make out, and I'm seeing a common pattern with guys being drastically written off just because there not title holders, have a few losses, and aren't as good as they once were suddenly = shot. But he still has more than enough to beat an un accomplished, china chinned weak hearted Amir Khan.
Especially given Amir Khan it seems is not really quite agreed upon as a top accomplished elite boxer even by a lot of people.
I believe the weight gain could well suite Barrera, I think he'll keep about the same speed in that division meaning his loss of speed won't be as big a factor at LW. I also think he'll carry his power over well. With his skills and experience he's very likely imo to beat Khan, and KO him late.
Just why Khan is being given quite such a good chance and picked by so many astonishes me given these factors, and just how much he's been criticised on these boards. I think Khan is very talented but only wins this if he really has made massive defensive improvements under agreeably a top trainer in Roach.
im a big fan of m.a.b one of my favorite fighters of all time. in 07 we seen barreras days at or near the top of the game come to a close. in march of 07 he box and battled marquez for 12 hard rounds and lost a decision in which i believe he did enough early to get the nod but in that fight we seen the last of the true mexican baby faced assasin. in his next fight against manny pacquiao we seen a barrera that didnt want to avenge his loss but a barrera that just wanted to survive and go twelve rounds with the guy who dismantled him 4 years pryor. barrera in that fight looked shot and looked like he could no longer pull the trigger. i hope he does knocks amir khans block off. but even if he does beat khan i just dont see m.a.b in a big fight again. just my opinion.
if anything he's being overrated... The majority of people appear to be tipping him to win
what the ****? You realise Warren wouldn't allow Khan in the same continent as Barrera let alone ring if he was anywhere near capable (in Warren's eyes) of winning
then again he miscalculated with Prescott, here's to hoping he's ****ed up again, the fish faced cocksucker
Barrera is just too past it at this stage, His recent performances weren't very impressive and the guys were both bums.
Khan should win a clear decision.
Sometimes fighters fight to their level of competition. I bet Barrera is going to surprise a lot of people at how not shot he is.
Shit Barrera training for only 15 days is not good lol, that factored in I'm favouring him less. Shame in a way.
I still think MAB has the boxing experience, tactics and power to get win but 15 days is not a good camp at all, Khan probably should do it but it's no guarantee.
Barrera is just too past it at this stage, His recent performances weren't very impressive and the guys were both bums.
Khan should win a clear decision.
I don't care what Khan does in this fight, it's what he does after that counts.
Knowledgeable people will see that this is a good fight for both men. A win from either will catapult them into World Title contention. The winner could fight Romanov or David Diaz, and then onto a world title.
What am I getting out of it? I read the thread and remarked on the post. What do you get out of posting the slop you post on a daily basis?
Let's not get furtive and paranoid, Kris.
I'm not disagreeing with you, per se. I'm pointing out that a chunk of your post makes no sense.
You didn't "raise" the word 'elite'?
Read the section of post I was responding.
It's pretty clear from bumping two of my old threads and posting of little worth and just nit picking, also quite poorly, that you just have an issue with me. I find that quite flattering, thanks. lol...
This paragraph is so deliciously hilarious, I don't want to share why. I want to hoard the sweet comedy and keep it all to myself.
Ok, I'll share. You just wasted another aimless ramble. I passed no comment on Roach's ability as a trainer. I was just gobsmacked at your pretentious mangling of the English language.
Lol, you think I care about that on the internet. Most people have no problems following me. You use the word non sequitur, needlessly criticise as if your the godfather, and then mis-spell the word god smacked. Lol....
No, it's not.
Poll it.
See if the knowledgeable majority agrees that a Top 10 ranking in Ring = Elite.
Holy fucking shit.
Look up elite in the dictionary. It's the top of a group, of which Khan was. Hence I said technically.
Get over yourself.
I'm not being rude, your just insignificant.
I'm surprised at just how under rated Marco Antonio Barrera is being as to his chances against Amir Khan.
Marco managed to get to get to a UD loss against a younger JMM now p4p #2 than Diaz just faced, and yet he was TKO'd. He also in 07, managed to be relatively competitive with Pacman despite being TKO'd by him first time around. Two years is awhile ok, but not that long. Marco is still a fit athlete and not that far from still proving his worth at the absolute top level. Has Khan come anywhere near that?
Marco has not slipped to the extent people seem to make out, and I'm seeing a common pattern with guys being drastically written off just because there not title holders, have a few losses, and aren't as good as they once were suddenly = shot. But he still has more than enough to beat an un accomplished, china chinned weak hearted Amir Khan.
Especially given Amir Khan it seems is not really quite agreed upon as a top accomplished elite boxer even by a lot of people.
I believe the weight gain could well suite Barrera, I think he'll keep about the same speed in that division meaning his loss of speed won't be as big a factor at LW. I also think he'll carry his power over well. With his skills and experience he's very likely imo to beat Khan, and KO him late.
Just why Khan is being given quite such a good chance and picked by so many astonishes me given these factors, and just how much he's been criticised on these boards. I think Khan is very talented but only wins this if he really has made massive defensive improvements under agreeably a top trainer in Roach.
i wouldn't be suprised if barrera beats amir khan i mean people are hyping up amir khan to be something great and i dont think the kid has it to be great i think he might be good but he's not the next prince naseem hamed no way
I've seen in British papers that bookies have been taking more bets for a Barrera win. My local also said that Barrera has been the peoples favourite for the win.
He isn't? Really? And there was I, thinking a 20 fight prospect flawed enough to have been declared "un accomplished", "china chinned" and "weak hearted" would have a mile-long queue of knowledgeable pundits ready to declare his eliteness.
What a completely stupid non sequitur.
FWIW...'Elite' isn't a status granted to all who are possessed of some talent (and Khan's talent was clearly offset by some glaring fundamental flaws from the get-go, anyway), it's a status you prove. Khan is unproven, like any other with a ledger of 20 fights. Nobody with a clue would have suggested he was even eligible to be considered 'elite' at this stage of a career.
Pardon?
Anyway, I think Barrera has a better chance of stopping this one early than he does late. The longer it goes, the more I see it being Khan's fight...unless he gets careless (which is a possibility, given his seeming tendency to mental lapses).
First of all, odd bump. Second of all, it's not really clear what your trying to get out of doing so.
What part of my quotes are you actually dis agreeing with, you don't make this entirely clear. I'm not sure why you've raised the word elite since I did not, so where does that come into it. For what it's worth, not so long ago Khan was a top 10 LW in Ring, so that is technically elite.
Anyways, I wasn't going on about that so much. He's a good fighter, but I stand by what I said. I think he has a very weak chin, heart and is in experienced, so why the reply, what was the point.
As for saying pardon to saying Freddie Roach is one of the best trainers in the sport, now your just being ridiculous. Roach was once trainer of the year and there's broad consensus he's on of the best trainers in the game.
If you want to block that out and believe what you want then fine. But don't reply like you disagreeing is akin to the pope dis agreeing. Your not the pope, sir.
Funny thing is, if Barrera was announced to be Gamboa's next opponent instead of Khan's, he wouldn't be shot. People just don't want to give Khan any credit, no matter what the result is.
Mark my words Khan will not be a CHAMPION unless they buy the title. His chin is bad, very very bad.
replacement or not, there is no justification. And he looked like sh!t against a guy wh was 1-7.
OK, whatever you say. I didn't see it like that. I saw a guy trying to get rounds under his belt.
Barrera didn't look too bad in the Rojas fight. He started patiently, landing single shots, clearly winning the round. Second round he landed a few decent combos. In round 3, he landed some more decent combos and looked quite sharp on his feet before getting blatantly headbutted, then Rojas was DQ'd.
Marco won each round, and also he weighed 140 for this fight -- more than he will be weighing for Khan, which could possibly help his speed a little bit.
I think it's too early to start writing Barrera off completely. If he'd struggled I might agree with you though.
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Yeah that is exactly what I think. He's in a similar situation to Khan though, both have speed/power but are chinny, yet only one gets slated!
Probably because Khan is a star who doesn't really deserve to be. Gamboa is far less known than Khan.
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he looked like sh!t.
fight after that...
he looked like sh!t, fought a guy who was 1-7
And WHY did he fight Rojas who was 1-7?
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Gamboa's chin isn't particularly good, but he gets hyped to the max though.
He doesn't get hyped by me. Gamboa has skills and awesome speed, but it's likely he'll be knocked out when he steps it up a bit.
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As a poster whom I respect, and guy whom had a Prescott sig for awhile, I'm most intrigued as to your take on this.
Who you got and why, and is MAB as past it as a lot seem to think?
When new of this fight first came out a lot gave MAB a good chance, thought it was still a risky step up of class too soon for Khan. I'm surprised at how opinion has altered even the past month or so where neither has done much.
I'm on the fence, Kris, mainly because it's impossible to tell how much Marco has left in the tank going on his last two fights alone. What I don't like is how people write off a fighter so easily. At the risk of repeating myself, the impression I got from his recent fights was that he's trying to get some more live experience before moving onto better things. He carried Ventura for 4 rounds then knocked him out, when to me (and the commentators) it looked like he wasn't even trying to look good, but rather making the best of the opportunity to get some rounds in -- a step up from sparring.
I'm not saying he is shot (I don't think he is), or that he is slipping and looked terrible, nor am I saying he will even beat Khan, but that people seem to think they can tell where he's at and are quite content to just sweep him under the carpet based on two fights that he showed absolutely nothing in.
I would like to see how sharp he looks in training before making any predictions for this fight, so I'll reserve my judgment until then.
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