A couple things I noticed re-watching Marquez vs. Diaz

From what I remember Steward was constantly raising the point of how Diaz punches look more effect because Marquez was being bein pushed back but really Marquez was landing very hard and the more effective punches during the exchanges. He made that point like 20 times..

Two things that I noticed... 1. Kellerman is using his "position" or "exposure" on HBO to instigate controversy to fit his agenda... Surely, Pac and his people heard Kellerman's remarks degrading his achievements and were in no small part intended to annoy and anger PAC into fighting JMM for the 3rd time... 2. If JMM fights PAC in the same "offensive" manner he fought Diaz, there is no doubt in my mind JMM would get put down for good... He was lucky Diaz had no knockout power... I would dare venture and say that the high frequency of shots he was receiveing was by a fighter with world class power, JMM wouldnt have survived 3 rounds... I double dare you!

7.) The replay of the first knockdown shows some amazing slow motion footage of Marquez's ability to adjust a punch, mid-combination. He's about to throw the left uppercut, and he notices that Diaz is out of range, so he pulls it right back, and turns it into a jab, which sets up a nice right hand afterward. The entire replay is a perfect example of how deadly Marquez's accuracy can be. marquez is amazing in slow motion. a true master.

GBP sat together: Mosely, DLH and Hopkins. Cool post, fun read. I like posts like these. To be fair, I think Steward did mention a few times while Marquez was on the ropes that he was connecting with effective counterpunches that maybe the judges and crowd weren't seeing. Something was off with the HBO commentators though. I haven't watched the fight again yet, but it seemed they were more "excited" by the Cotto vs. Margarito fight and that fight wasn't as close through the first 6 rounds. This fight was non-stop action but they seemed more reserved. Like a lot people said, this was a nut-busting fight. Weird. Why wasn't Larry Merchant there? Anybody know? Larry may have been in the crowd, watching it live. But he wasn't at the table because HBO is strongarming him out of his job to make room for Kellerman. And you're correct about the commentators take on this fight. They were not nearly as excited about it as they were Cotto/Margs, and this fight was a higher skilled version of that IMO. Shit, there were long parts of the fight that were completely silent. The commentators literally said nothing at all for most of round 5 I believe it was, or maybe it was 6 or 7.

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Oscar was there? I didn't even see him. GBP sat together: Mosely, DLH and Hopkins. Cool post, fun read. I like posts like these. To be fair, I think Steward did mention a few times while Marquez was on the ropes that he was connecting with effective counterpunches that maybe the judges and crowd weren't seeing. Something was off with the HBO commentators though. I haven't watched the fight again yet, but it seemed they were more "excited" by the Cotto vs. Margarito fight and that fight wasn't as close through the first 6 rounds. This fight was non-stop action but they seemed more reserved. Like a lot people said, this was a nut-busting fight. Weird. Why wasn't Larry Merchant there? Anybody know?

Lampley was even worse on the Margarito-Cotto fight. Between his bias and his inaccuracy, he is a terrible blow by blow announcer. hell yeah even the replays were biased as hell. all the replays were of cotto landing while BARELY showing any of the punches marg was landing

Marquez lands three perfect uppercuts, no word. Diaz lands a decent connecting left hook, "HUGE ELFT HOOK BY DIAZ!" Yeah he's been pissing me off, but his excitement adds to the broadcast still. Lampley was even worse on the Margarito-Cotto fight. Between his bias and his inaccuracy, he is a terrible blow by blow announcer.

I agree with everything you said.... Great observation... See? You and I can agree on some things. ;) :fing02:

1.) Jim Lampley seemed irritated when Max Kellerman compared the fight to Corrales/Castillo. Mentioning that that fight was on their competitor's network 2.) Lampley also says that Corrales/Castillo occured in 2003, when it actually occured in 2005. A fight that epic, it seems odd to think a professional boxing broadcaster wouldn't remember it. Maybe Lamps doesn't watch Showtime fights? 3.) Lampley and Steward were in the tank for Juan Diaz. They always got excited when Diaz threw anything, even when he was clearly missing. And rarely ever did them mention Marquez's amazing counterpunching skills, or the adjustment he made mid-fight. 4.) Harold Lederman still only scores rounds for activity, and not accuracy. 5.) Kellerman made a point to bring Corrales/Castillo up yet again when the post fight interviews were concluded, this time on a live mic, so the whole crowd could hear him. I agreed with what he had to say. 6.) Bernard Hopkins was going nuts in the crowd, yet again. It's funny for me to see Hopkins front row, going nuts, at all of these fights. He's a character for sure, cracks me up. He also patted his hand on Diaz's shoulder when Diaz seemed disappointed inthe loss, as if to say "it's okay". I thought that was cool. 7.) The replay of the first knockdown shows some amazing slow motion footage of Marquez's ability to adjust a punch, mid-combination. He's about to throw the left uppercut, and he notices that Diaz is out of range, so he pulls it right back, and turns it into a jab, which sets up a nice right hand afterward. The entire replay is a perfect example of how deadly Marquez's accuracy can be. 8.) Emmanuel Steward is such a fence-rider. He'll pick a guy he likes, in this case, Diaz, and talk him up nonstop. Then the opponet, in this case Marquez, lands some nice shots of his own, and all of a sudden, it's him he likes. At least Kellerman and Lampley let you know who they like immediately, and don't switch sides 15 times in a fight. 9.) I still miss Larry Merchant. I agree with everything you said.... Great observation...

And another thing. I noticed this when I watched again. Diaz barely threw any uppercuts. Even when JMM adjusted by holding his hands up more and dipping to slip the left and right hooks, Diaz didnt switch up and throw from below once. He made the right move trying to jab in mroe, that wasnt enough. He needed to do more.

Green K for this on-balls accurate post. God, I can't stand Lampley. Marquez lands three perfect uppercuts, no word. Diaz lands a decent connecting left hook, "HUGE ELFT HOOK BY DIAZ!" Yeah he's been pissing me off, but his excitement adds to the broadcast still.

1.) Jim Lampley seemed irritated when Max Kellerman compared the fight to Corrales/Castillo. Mentioning that that fight was on their competitor's network 2.) Lampley also says that Corrales/Castillo occured in 2003, when it actually occured in 2005. A fight that epic, it seems odd to think a professional boxing broadcaster wouldn't remember it. Maybe Lamps doesn't watch Showtime fights? 3.) Lampley and Steward were in the tank for Juan Diaz. They always got excited when Diaz threw anything, even when he was clearly missing. And rarely ever did them mention Marquez's amazing counterpunching skills, or the adjustment he made mid-fight. 4.) Harold Lederman still only scores rounds for activity, and not accuracy. 5.) Kellerman made a point to bring Corrales/Castillo up yet again when the post fight interviews were concluded, this time on a live mic, so the whole crowd could hear him. I agreed with what he had to say. 6.) Bernard Hopkins was going nuts in the crowd, yet again. It's funny for me to see Hopkins front row, going nuts, at all of these fights. He's a character for sure, cracks me up. He also patted his hand on Diaz's shoulder when Diaz seemed disappointed inthe loss, as if to say "it's okay". I thought that was cool. 7.) The replay of the first knockdown shows some amazing slow motion footage of Marquez's ability to adjust a punch, mid-combination. He's about to throw the left uppercut, and he notices that Diaz is out of range, so he pulls it right back, and turns it into a jab, which sets up a nice right hand afterward. The entire replay is a perfect example of how deadly Marquez's accuracy can be. 8.) Emmanuel Steward is such a fence-rider. He'll pick a guy he likes, in this case, Diaz, and talk him up nonstop. Then the opponet, in this case Marquez, lands some nice shots of his own, and all of a sudden, it's him he likes. At least Kellerman and Lampley let you know who they like immediately, and don't switch sides 15 times in a fight. 9.) I still miss Larry Merchant. Green K for this on-balls accurate post. God, I can't stand Lampley.

he was right next to hopkins..wearing a sweater brown i think I'm going to check again. Maybe I just didn't notice because of Hopkins' loud yellow shirt.

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I felt like Steward was pro-Diaz. He switched sides a few times, as he normally does. But the overall amount of positive comments he had were mostly directed at Diaz. I'd go back and watch it again, paying only attention to comments by Steward, to tally it, but I can't be bothered right now. I found myself agreeing with his views on Diaz's punches being flashier because Marquez was falling back, while JMM was still landing clean punches while Diaz came forward.

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Hopkins was also doing something with Marquez, after Marquez's post fight interview. I couldn't see it all, because Kellerman was blocking the shot. But it looked like Hopkins was joking with Marquez about all the titles he had on, he was smiling ear-to-ear and laughing. Marquez seemed amused as well, though I'm not sure if that was because Hopkins genuinely made him laugh, or that Hopkins is a Golden Boy Co-Promoter. Also, what was up with all the Oscar shirts? Everybody on Marquez's team had one almost. Shit, I haven't seen that many Oscar shirts at any Oscar fight.QUOTE] first time ive seen oscar at a fight since his lose..that maybe why Oscar was there? I didn't even see him.

Hopkins was also doing something with Marquez, after Marquez's post fight interview. I couldn't see it all, because Kellerman was blocking the shot. But it looked like Hopkins was joking with Marquez about all the titles he had on, he was smiling ear-to-ear and laughing. Marquez seemed amused as well, though I'm not sure if that was because Hopkins genuinely made him laugh, or that Hopkins is a Golden Boy Co-Promoter. Also, what was up with all the Oscar shirts? Everybody on Marquez's team had one almost. Shit, I haven't seen that many Oscar shirts at any Oscar fight.QUOTE] first time ive seen oscar at a fight since his lose..that maybe why also nacho might've felt bad that he led dlh to disaster and humiliation.

One thing I like about Max is he continues to call it like he is. He may have certain opinions on fighters that others dont agree with, however when it comes to calling the action, he is always on point.