Mexican Uppercuts

Thats exactly the one. It's the same one, I'm not trying to say you don't know anything about boxing but beleive me, it's a deliberate puch. Chavez used it all the time and it's funny because I had this same discussion about 15 years ago. I used to Chavez throw this punch and it looked akward and wondered why he was throwing that punch. He would throw it from a distance and it just looked funny. The Marg upper cuts look exaggerated but they are the same thing. They even have a name for it but I forgot it. ' is that the same punch that Oscar DLH refers to it as his "45" because its half hook half uppercut that comes in at a 45 degree angle. i think he talked about it in one of his 24/7 or maybe it was in his book.

Thats exactly the one. It's the same one, I'm not trying to say you don't know anything about boxing but beleive me, it's a deliberate puch. Chavez used it all the time and it's funny because I had this same discussion about 15 years ago. I used to Chavez throw this punch and it looked akward and wondered why he was throwing that punch. He would throw it from a distance and it just looked funny. The Marg upper cuts look exaggerated but they are the same thing. They even have a name for it but I forgot it. Perhaps we are talking about near the same punch, because, Margarito is one of the ones that thows this punch the most. Maybe I am just spotting these punches when they are misstimed and thrown from too far away. All I was looking for was an answer.

Not the punch I am referring to. The one I am referring to comes from a distance. Involves no turn of the bodyweight, and comes straight up. Thats exactly the one. It's the same one, I'm not trying to say you don't know anything about boxing but beleive me, it's a deliberate puch. Chavez used it all the time and it's funny because I had this same discussion about 15 years ago. I used to Chavez throw this punch and it looked akward and wondered why he was throwing that punch. He would throw it from a distance and it just looked funny. The Marg upper cuts look exaggerated but they are the same thing. They even have a name for it but I forgot it.

Thats because it's not really an uppercut. It's sort of a half hook/half uppercut. JMM isn't the first to use it, Chavez was notorious for using it and it was lethal. It comes from an angle that people don't expect and it comes with a lot of power. It's nothing new.....you should watch more boxing. Not the punch I am referring to. The one I am referring to comes from a distance. Involves no turn of the bodyweight, and comes straight up.

Well thats what jmm dropped diaz with so it must not be a bad punch

This is not a Mexican hate thread. I am actually serious. Why do Mexicans so often throw those long distance, jumping, pushed, slow, 90 degree things they call uppercuts? Not saying they cant throw correct ones, because they do, but even a technician like Marquez throws this hideous punch multiple times in a fight. Even if they land they rarely have any effect, and leave you wide open for a counter. Maybe I am not looking for it when other guys fight, but this version of the punch seems to be thrown almost exclusively by Mexican fighters. Thats because it's not really an uppercut. It's sort of a half hook/half uppercut. JMM isn't the first to use it, Chavez was notorious for using it and it was lethal. It comes from an angle that people don't expect and it comes with a lot of power. It's nothing new.....you should watch more boxing.

Wow I am just shocked at the fact that people have failed to grasp what I have said. 1. I didn't say Marquez didn't know how to throw a correct uppercut. So anyone bringing that up is wrong. 2. I didn't say Mexican's couldnt throw a correct uppercut, infact multiple times I said they could, and could throw them effectively. 3. I even said guys like Montiel, Marquez, and Mijares was very good technical practitioners. 4. I never said that Marquez didnt land some fine uppercuts in the Diaz fight (he did). 5. I was simply making comment on long lead uppercuts that I have noticed some Mexican fighters even technically proficient ones sometimes throw. 6. I wasn't saying it out of hate. I was asking why it was they threw the punch like this sometimes..... Perhaps titling it "Mexican Uppercuts" may have been a slip and the way I initially described the punch was alittle harsh, but its how I see the punch thrown. For all the boxing knowledge people claim I am suddenly lacking. Is a long lead uppercut technically a good punch? Can you get proper turn (of the body) or weight on the punch that makes an uppercut effective from long range? Isnt it a punch that leaves you open for counters when thrown from long range? http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Uppercut

i found this shit so funny im bumping it

This is not a Mexican hate thread. I am actually serious. Why do Mexicans so often throw those long distance, jumping, pushed, slow, 90 degree things they call uppercuts? Not saying they cant throw correct ones, because they do, but even a technician like Marquez throws this hideous punch multiple times in a fight. Even if they land they rarely have any effect, and leave you wide open for a counter. Maybe I am not looking for it when other guys fight, but this version of the punch seems to be thrown almost exclusively by Mexican fighters. That uppercut that put Diaz down for the last time was a pretty damn good uppercut.

The correct punch is the punch that connects and hurts. Marquez connected and Diaz got hurt. End of story.

seems pretty effective if you ask me. btw, i find it amusing how a darchinyan fan is the one talking about "incorrect hideous" punches. LOLOL. This is so fukn dead on.

I was JUST about to post this quote. It was from the Jaca fight and it was Kellerman who said it. Marquez is incapable of throwing an "ugly" punch. Technicality is his bread and butter. Its what wins him his fights. No disrespect to the TS, but to group Marquez's outside uppercut to one of Margarito's is truly an insult to Marquez. great minds think alike I agree with what you said but in all fairness to Margarito he does posses one of the best uppercuts in the game, both inside and outside. Marquez is just a complete beast in every sense of the world, I'm still amazed at how good this guy is. dude, you're honestly still a margarito fan after he got caught tryin to cheat?

im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who." Again, it works for him and is very very effective. I was JUST about to post this quote. It was from the Jaca fight and it was Kellerman who said it. Marquez is incapable of throwing an "ugly" punch. Technicality is his bread and butter. Its what wins him his fights. No disrespect to the TS, but to group Marquez's outside uppercut to one of Margarito's is truly an insult to Marquez.

I really fail to see how Marquez's uppercuts are "ugly" or technically inferior. Marquez throws beautiful uppercuts, he turns his hips and gets GREAT leverage on them.

im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who." Again, it works for him and is very very effective. guess not?

No, the correct uppercuts they throw do plenty of damage. As I said they are capable of throwing correct uppercuts and do. The shots that I am referring to never cause much damage, and the way they are thrown don't have a chance to. As far as Darchinyan goes, yeah he doesnt fight a very "technical style" but thats just one man being akward to himself. I am referring to a phenomena of a large group of fighters, even some that are considered technically proficient in the sport (Mijares, Montiel, Marquez) throwing this punch multiple times in a fight. Like I said this is not a hate thread, more a point of interest. im not sure how long you've been following boxing but the HBO crew once said "who throws uppercuts from the outside?!?!?!? Marquez! That's who." Again, it works for him and is very very effective.

You group a bunch of people together by nationality, followed by a non-sensical, non-racist disclaimer. You question the value of a certain style of punching, under the tag name of a guy who fits your description of those whose ability you question. And you do so on a night where one of the guys you mentioned as an example used the punch correctly, accurately and beautifuly Then you question why no one answers in the manner you would like? Basic fighting, ring or street: someone dips in when they come forward, you use an uppercut. It was the right fight plan for JMM last night. Mayan Sun said it very well - JMM is one of the few fighters who uses an uppecut in the way many use a jab, as a set up for a 2, 3 and even 4 punch combo, usually followed by double left hooks. It is a thing of beauty for any true fan of the sport, but, I guess something that is misunderstood, underappreciated or totally missed by others. Here is a cut and paste from my post here a few weeks ago: "What has always impressed me about JMM is his text book combinations, and not-so-textbook combinations - especially the way he sometimes leads with right uppercuts followed by double left hooks. A thing of beauty to a boxing fan. I was concerned the latest move up in weight would be JMM's downfall, as I believe his lack of power was the only thing that kept him from greatness. He has the other skills - jab, footwork, counter punching, decent speed, ring intelligence, etc, but I always think he was a hair light in power. But he looked OK against Casamayor; albeit it an older version of Casa, but still a guy who Castillo, Campbell and Corrales couldn't KO. Could it be the move up helped? Is he a little stronger? His is an excellent counterpuncher, and I believe his skill in that area is the key for him to get by Diaz and his bull rushes. I think the odds on this one are correct, Marquez -140; they should go higher by fight time so bet now if you're going to." Last night, I think JMM silenced those who said he KO'd a past his prime Casa, as Diaz was a young bull, in his prime. JMM was as high as -180 last night. I gave the pick out on a show I did Friday night, showing viewers how Diaz will bend low when he comes in, and how Marquez will be effective with his counters, especially the uppercut. Last night was a beautiful fight, boxing at it's best, a good thing for a sport that oftens shows us it's worst. That should be celebrated today, not questioned . . .

seems pretty effective if you ask me. btw, i find it amusing how a darchinyan fan is the one talking about "incorrect hideous" punches. LMAO!!! true

I find it funny that 13/14 responses to my thread didn't address the question, and took the comment in the wrong way, and all simply focused on how Darchinyan throws his punches. Anyway, hopefully my previous post clears things up.

seems pretty effective if you ask me. btw, i find it amusing how a darchinyan fan is the one talking about "incorrect hideous" punches. No, the correct uppercuts they throw do plenty of damage. As I said they are capable of throwing correct uppercuts and do. The shots that I am referring to never cause much damage, and the way they are thrown don't have a chance to. As far as Darchinyan goes, yeah he doesnt fight a very "technical style" but thats just one man being akward to himself. I am referring to a phenomena of a large group of fighters, even some that are considered technically proficient in the sport (Mijares, Montiel, Marquez) throwing this punch multiple times in a fight. Like I said this is not a hate thread, more a point of interest.