It does not take a special fighter to beat Floyd Mayweather it takes

and one of the rounds both fighters landed 13 punches combine. hatton smothered their offense

i just watched mayweather vs hatton. it was an ok fight but cortez let mayweather get away with a lot of pushing with his elbows and forearms. hatton said it best when he said it wasnt a tickling contest. floyd was just trying to get room and space to punch from hatton's dry humping

All refs pretty much let him get away with that. and one of the rounds both fighters landed 13 punches combine.

i just watched mayweather vs hatton. it was an ok fight but cortez let mayweather get away with a lot of pushing with his elbows and forearms.

Yes I have proof, I have a telecast where Lampley says this, also why would Floyd in the corner early in the fight say his shoulder was hurting if it wasnt? Again its clear youre biased, pretty sad. Thats not proof lol.

If I follow your idea, I would pick a guy like Gatti. Not the Gatti who try to boxe with Mayweather, but the old time guy who throw six hook in a row and doest care if he hits your arm your glove or your head, sooner or later it's gonna hurt. Simply a guy with the heart and killer instinct that Gatti had and don't forget a good chin to take the shot, lol. Cause in the end, if you try to out smart the smartest, you'll finish second.

It will take years for people to stop talking about this guy

He put a pretty bad ass whipping on all the southpaws he fought (Corley, Mitchell and Judah). I would not go over board call these guys special fighters but they were all very good (Mitchell was pretty long in the tooth though I will admit). He did get cuaght very cleanly and rocked in both the Corley and Judah fights, but it was not a recurring thing through out the fight it happeaned once then never like that again. Bringing up Zab against Baldomir, Zab went in there to knock out Baldomir. He also showed Baldomir no respect as shown by the whole glove touching incident. After the fact that was known to be a bad idea to go in there with the intention to take out Baldomir. You fight the wrong fight against any opponent and it can be very costly. Zab fought much better against Floyd then Baldomir, and I actually think he had some idea of what to do (since they used to be friend and spared a lot), but Zab had no answers for Floyd once he took those ideas away. If he fought someone like Whitiker I do not know what would happean though, or any lefty like that. ........Good post. You are one of the better Floyd fans you have made some good honest points and backed them up etc.

Silly the doctor is the one who diagnosed his injury, Lampley even said this, not to mention two broken ribs. If you dont know what youre talking about its best to not say anything. Your agenda is clear and youre wrong even with that, it does take a special fighter to beat Floyd. It takes more than just a certain style, over 12 rounds he will figure it out, then the other fighter will have to adapt to what Floyd has figured out. Of coarse you have proof of this ? we know Floyd would use any straw to grab at for his lack luster display, because any fighter would, its the nature of fighters to make excuses, when they dont perform to what they think they can. Do YOU think Randal,Forrest,Douglas etc are special fighters ?

But That is only, if you can make a diagnosis of how he is giving you trouble that is the hardest part of the puzzle. Floyd has had his problems with Southpaws. His own father has admitted this. Now that its not a huge stylistic advantage imo, because in Boxing terms of adapting its a relatively common PROBLEM to come across when trying to work out an opponent. If a lefty can throw him, then adapting too all situations will not be as easy for him as people seem to think. He has not been beat by Southpaw fighters, but he has been hit more consistently against them than any other style of opponent. The only decent Southpaw he fought was Judah and he was winning the rounds he won clearly. You say Floyd adapted i say more a case of Judah slowing down as per. Dont forget this guy lost to Baldy so its not even like he is a great fighter either. The guy fades we know this. He put a pretty bad ass whipping on all the southpaws he fought (Corley, Mitchell and Judah). I would not go over board call these guys special fighters but they were all very good (Mitchell was pretty long in the tooth though I will admit). He did get cuaght very cleanly and rocked in both the Corley and Judah fights, but it was not a recurring thing through out the fight it happeaned once then never like that again. Bringing up Zab against Baldomir, Zab went in there to knock out Baldomir. He also showed Baldomir no respect as shown by the whole glove touching incident. After the fact that was known to be a bad idea to go in there with the intention to take out Baldomir. You fight the wrong fight against any opponent and it can be very costly. Zab fought much better against Floyd then Baldomir, and I actually think he had some idea of what to do (since they used to be friend and spared a lot), but Zab had no answers for Floyd once he took those ideas away. If he fought someone like Whitiker I do not know what would happean though, or any lefty like that.

Who would of thought DLH,Castillo,Judah would of done as well as they did against Mayweather ? Judah i guess you could make a case for because he is a slick,fast,lefty, but off the top of your head you would of expected Mayweather to walk all over DLH,Castillo, but he did'nt. let me see if i understand you... styles make fights and the right style can beat floyd. floyd didnt walk all over dlh and castillo, so they had the right style to beat floyd. floyd struggled with judah so he has the right style to beat floyd. conclusion: it doesnt take a special fighter to beat floyd... the flaw to your argument is that floyd beat dlh, castillo and judah. in fact, floyd has beaten every style there is... brawler, pressure fighter, boxer, you name it floyd's beaten it. i agree that styles make fights, but the opponent has to be special to beat floyd.

You say that but then say Chavez is great even though he lost to Randall whom you say isnt special. Which is it. There is more than enough footage to know its a fact. You dont think Chavez is a great fighter then ?based on where Randall and Forrest's career went after that they are probably not special fighters, but that is just logic imo not biased. Video Footage is not concrete evidence is it? ive had Rotar cuff problems myself from working out, and they are the kind of thing that cant really be pin pointed by a doctor, in my experience anyway. There is no definitive way of knowing.

Being bias makes your thread worthless, because youre not willing to tell both sides of the story, it shows you have an agenda, therefore it will fall on deaf ears. How im being biased by not bringing it up? I dont even know, if it is a fact for a start.

I was just using a jerk way to say that Harris is nowhere near Mayweather. I think Mayweather made it impossibel for Zab to continue on with what he is doing. Zab is not a great example anyways since his boxing iq is similar to a box of oatmeal. He did have advantages early though stylistically, but Floyd used his brain and they disapeered. To me a stylistic advantage only arises when a fighter has no answeres. If a fighter can think clearly and use their head, it is possible to completely erase an advantage like this. But That is only, if you can make a diagnosis of how he is giving you trouble that is the hardest part of the puzzle. Floyd has had his problems with Southpaws. His own father has admitted this. Now that is not a huge stylistic advantage imo, because in Boxing terms its a relatively common PROBLEM to come across when trying to work out an opponent. If a lefty can throw him, then adapting too all situations will not be as easy for him as people seem to think. He has not been beat by Southpaw fighters, but he has been hit more consistently against them than any other style of opponent. The only decent Southpaw he fought was Judah and he was winning the rounds he won clearly. You say Floyd adapted i say more a case of Judah slowing down as per. Dont forget this guy lost to Baldy so its not even like he is a great fighter either. The guy fades we know this.

Who possibly used bricks himself. I agree that styles do make fights, great fighters can adjust and figure a style out over the course of a fight if that other fighter doesnt change. You left out the fact that Floyd went into the first Castillo fight with a torn rotator cuff and broken ribs, helps your argument I guess. I leave that for guys like you to point out.:boxing:

Its a case of who do you think is special thats all. I mean do you think Frankie Randall was a special fighter? because im sure you will conceed he beat a special fighter. Do you find Tarver,Forrest to be special fighters ? I think they are all talented, but i wouldn't call either of them special. That is all im getting at. Why would Harris WANT to hold his jock strap anyway? I realize you are not talking about Harris, but i addressed why i brought his fight with Maussa up as an example. Do you think Judah would of gone on to beat Floyd, if had maintained exactly what he was doing from start to finish ? I was just using a jerk way to say that Harris is nowhere near Mayweather. I think Mayweather made it impossibel for Zab to continue on with what he is doing. Zab is not a great example anyways since his boxing iq is similar to a box of oatmeal. He did have advantages early though stylistically, but Floyd used his brain and they disapeered. To me a stylistic advantage only arises when a fighter has no answeres. If a fighter can think clearly and use their head, it is possible to completely erase an advantage like this. Not all gret boxers are equal, not all of them were thinking mans fighters. Yea they are special, or atleast could have been. Crack and injuries did take away from their respective careers though.

What is special about Chavez to you. You dont consider him an ATG fighter or one of the best to reign in his division ? That is what i mean by special.

No it doesnt. Everybody have that fighter whom style will give him trouble. I say Cotto, Quartey, Forrest,prime DLH, all would had or have a great chance at Beating Mayweather!!!!!!!!!!!! Really, are those not all special boxers? Prime Forrest I would give the best shot of the guys you listed. Quartey is ok but I think Floyd would have some issues early before adjust and taking away that bazooka jab. Oscar did alright in their fight and that was an older Oscar, but Floyd was always a better techincal boxer then Oscar and a much smarter fighter. Cotto, who knows maybe but it is hard to say as Floyd's style is unique so it is hard to form a basis for comparision. Out of all the guys listed I would not say any are the smarter boxer then Mayweather which makes me doubt their chances. Sweet Pea would be a good choice to beat Floyd, but I think that fight would end up very close and would depend on the eye of the beholder to decide who won. Duran would have a very good chance. Any really great 135 pounder and especially 147 pounders would have very good shots.

I never said no one can match his brain, I just said that anyone able to do it would be very special. So I think it would take a special fighter to beat Floyd, you do not. I am talking about beating Floyd, I am not talking about beatin Vivian Harris (who can not hold Floyds jock strap imo). I think Floyd beat JLC clearly in the first fight ( I am in the minority but JLC lost to many early rounds and lost a point in a round he lost which really ****ed his chances). It takes a great fighter to take another fighters advantages away, if a fighter can do nothing about a certain fighter that is avery serious mark against them. Zab had advantage against Floyd, Floyd took them away (some people just say he faded, like Mayweather had jack shit to do with it). Some fighters can overscome a stylistic disadvantge, some can not. Going back to what I originally said the brain is what truly spereates the great from the very good in boxing. Its a case of who do you think is special thats all. I mean do you think Frankie Randall was a special fighter? because im sure you will conceed he beat a special fighter. Do you find Tarver,Forrest to be special fighters ? I think they are all talented, but i wouldn't call either of them special. That is all im getting at. Why would Harris WANT to hold his jock strap anyway? I realize you are not talking about Harris, but i addressed why i brought his fight with Maussa up as an example. Do you think Judah would of gone on to beat Floyd, if he had maintained exactly what he was doing from start to finish ?

The only way to beat Mayweather, is to out Mayweather him. This means having a great defence, speed, accuracy, timing, and movement. You have to pick your shots, fight from the outside, and be very economical. Even then it will be up to the judges. Mayweather is pretty close to unbeatable. And it will be the most boring fight in the history of the sport.