If Joe Calzaghe was American and black, would he be better respected?

The catalysists of Manchester United are all white; it's a betting team. Giggs, Vidic, Fletcher, Carrick, Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov etc... Chelsea never won anything, neither did Arsenal despite having Henry in their team. Inter won champions league in the 60s... Your argument goes to waste. And if you want to get technical, let's look at the positions and who the top players are; Strikers; Villa, Torres, Rooney, Berbatov, Eto'o, Drogba, Anelka... I'd rather have the white ones in my team, they perform well in big matches. Look at Torres vs Germany, and Rooney vs Liga. Midfield/Wingers; Ronaldo, Carrick, Lampard, Gerrard, Xavi, Ballack, Mascherano, Ronaldinho, Gattuso, Kaka, maybe Deco as well... Same story here... Defense; Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry, Carragher, Evra, Cannavaro, Carvalho. And here... GK; Is that worth mentioning? LoL! I'll let you make a judgment. Thank you sir United: Defence Evra Brown (Two of our best players last season) Arsenal Invincibles team/now: Vieira Cole Henry Lauren Toure Campbell Walcott Gallas Adebayour Chelsea: Essien Drogba Makelele Anelka Dont forget the robinho's trezeguet's etc Eto'o is probably the best striker in the world right now, Henry isnt doing too bad Adebayour has been injured Midfield Essien Yaya Toure Diarra (both) Muntari Senna Keita then there is Maicon Ballotelli Martins Gomis This is getting silly I mean if YOU want to start getting technical we could start including players like Ronaldo Ronaldinho as black as well then it would really get sticky.

Personally, a fighter's race has nothing to do with how much I respect him. I respect Calzaghe for doing what he does, fight and win (even if I don't like his fighting style or overly cocky demeanor). Do I think he's an all-time great? Maybe, but I'd still put him below Hopkins and RJJ on that list since their quality of competiton is much higher. And even though Hopkins schooled Pavlik, B-Hop was still much closer to his decline than his peak. If that fight would have happened even 3-4 years ago Calzaghe's victory over him would get more credit from me.

Not true at all. I've been to different European countries and black athletes are considered weak and unreliable in many areas. Take soccer for example (most popular sport), in Europe (not sure about UK) they always joke about them because they're the ones that fold in critical matches. lol go say that to chelsea ask them how much they miss essien or what Inter Milans team would be like minus Maicon, Arsenal minus Henry Vieira and Campbell you know **** all about football and boxing just log off forever

No, His record on HBO is 46-0 with 2 Knockouts( I mean KO not TKO). I wouldn't respect him anymore then I already do.

Floyd gets slammed for not fighting Margarito..Cotto...Williams...clottey..and everybody since John L Sullivan.. Floyd could not get away with fighting the loser of an elimation bout the way Joe did.. Joe gets to duck Dawson and people support it..the White media included. Did the White media push for Calzhage to fight Dawson the way they pushed for Floyd to fight Cotto or Tony???? NOPE Joe gets a free to duck pass...a free to fight washed-up champs pass.. Black fighters don't get to coast and boast while not proving shit. It's not our fault white fighters don't get respect..maybe you should take a hard look at the quality of today's white fighters instead of crying about the praise Black fighter get..and earned..and deserve. White boxing is in trouble if ya'll think Joe Calzhage is a great fighter. Floyd is younger and in his prime. People expected him to fight Cotto and the like. Joe is old and has been slipping. Also, you lost all credibility when you said "White media." Your bias shows too much for this discussion to continue.

Yep...wow. You can't argue it. Name a Black fighter that can get away with fighting the LOSER of an elimination bout??? Joe actually did that!!!!!!!! Name just ONE Black Champion that could get away with a b*tch ass move like that. You can't. You said that a black fighter wouldnt be happy with what Joe did or his belts and would have done more, implying that black people want it more and expect more from themselves then white people. That is "wow" worthy right there...

Fighters are judged on the opponents they fought and the manner in which they won... unfortunately for Calzaghe he will be remembered for the fighters he didn't fight. Calzaghe needed to answer questions inside the ring, instead he is now trying to answer some of them in interviews while in retirement. Edit: Thats what i will remember him for anyways :P

Would Joe be better respected by some people if he was American and black? Would Joe still get his two or three hate threads per day on boxingscene? Would all his haters like Flawless (Sugar May Floyd), danc1984, bsrizpac, DiegoFuego, chiyoko, El Dominicano etc feel the same way about him? Yep, no question especially in NSB :lol1:

Yes he would because people only appreciate American athletes and they they get extra points for being black. Is that what you wanted to hear you stupid cunt? now that is a thread ending insult!

Yeah I'm sure Pele always folded in big matches. That post was so rascist! Yeah i have never heard that from anyone about Black players.

Not true at all. I've been to different European countries and black athletes are considered weak and unreliable in many areas. Take soccer for example (most popular sport), in Europe (not sure about UK) they always joke about them because they're the ones that fold in critical matches. Bold part is a lie.

American media are biased. Thats why Joe probably doesn't get his props i dont think the American people are though.

Actually the thread starter may have a point, not about being black but about being American. Since Joe would have already been American, America is where the high profile fights are at so he wouldn't have gotten criticized because those fights would have happened. Joe being protected against no names in the U.K is what hurt him but that couldn't have happen out here.

Joe Calzaghe's nearest competitor for most hated fighter is an undefeated african american Colour and race have no effect Floyd and Joe are completely opposite and yet they both get slaughtered on here floyd gets 10x the shitt than joe does tho

Joe Calzaghe's nearest competitor for most hated fighter is an undefeated african american Colour and race have no effect Floyd and Joe are completely opposite and yet they both get slaughtered on here

I have NO DOUBTS that Calzaghe would be more respected if he were an African-American. No matter how talented a white fighter is or how many dominate their divisions there still remains a stereotype in America that blacks are superior athletes. That's why you'll see "white hope" said and movies like "The Great White Hype and White Men Can't Jump" without any criticism about those being racist. If a movie was called "Black Men Can't Skate" it would never get released and it would be deemed racist by all. There's a clear racial double standard in America, the UK, as well as several other EU countries now, unfortunately...

A link for what? Everybody and their mother knows Echols/Brewer was an elimination bout for Joe's Title. The record clearly shows Joe didn't fight Echols. How about this? Floyd still fought Judah, after Zab lost his championship, that is no different than any elimination bout, pre-signed or not. You're using a terrible angle here because many boxers, of all ethnicities have fought fighters coming off of losses.

i think joe wud be less popula................ he would just be another great black fighter ............... but becuase hes white hes something a little special !!!!!!!!!!!!!

A black fighter cannot go through Calzaghe's resume undefeated. why? nothing but non-elite boxers and old men.

Yep...wow. You can't argue it. Name a Black fighter that can get away with fighting the LOSER of an elimination bout??? Joe actually did that!!!!!!!! Name just ONE Black Champion that could get away with a b*tch ass move like that. You can't. damn that is bad, i mean there is no excusing that